Dak vs Wentz

[USArmyVet]

Yeah except Eagles won a SB a year later without Wentz and Dak’s team struggled…the Eagles also traded up to get Wentz just like the Rams traded up to get Goff. They didn’t go to dumpster fires either. Wentz is on a playoff team
and they still stink. Y’all make excuses for Wentz when he shows you time and time again what type of quarterback he is.

Be that as it may, the Eagles had a more sound defense that year (team had a +162 point differential to end the regular season giving up the 4th fewest points in the NFL) so when Foles stepped in it wasn't as big a blow (Eagles defense gave up 17 points in 2 playoff games before Super Bowl) whereas Dallas had a terrible defense as reflected in the fact Dallas was 1-3 heading into the Giants game when Dak got hurt.

 

[USArmyVet]

Exactly, they all want off the hook now. Naw, they earned this.

"They earned this"??? Damn some people take things too personal.

 

[Jarntt]

The difference is simple.

Dak was a 4th round pick because Dallas had all the tools in place to compete. They weren't in the business of looking for a franchise QB. They wasn't just a QB away from competing. If Romo was the QB in 2016 the Cowboys would have been just as good, if not better. Romo and Moore got hurt, Dak took over a loaded offense, had a great season, and the rest is history.

Wentz was a top draft pick because the Eagles did not have the tools in place. That's usually why you're drafting a QB at the top of the 1st round. Wentz was now expected to turn everything around, and in 2017 he did before he was hurt, but hey, it's football and that happens.

Dak ended up performing better than Wentz, but the situations were completely different, and injuries to Wentz derailed a lot for him. Dak was not asked to do anywhere near the same that Wentz was asked. Wentz didn't have Zeke and that O-Line. I don't really care what anyone says. If you switched Dak and Wentz back in 2016 I believe their careers turn out complete different.

It would have been quicker to just say you were completely wrong.

Dak is absolutely just a better QB than Wentz in any system. Physical tools aren't all that matter to play QB in the NFL. Dak has that "it" factor and has become one of the better QBs in the league even if fans of his own team are too stubborn to admit it because they spent so much time bashing him that they now aren't sure how to get out of that stance now that he is dominating

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't like Wentz about as much as I don't like you, but just because he was an Eagle I'm not going to pretend the guy stinks, because he don't. His injuries derailed him a lot and towards the end with Philly he was literally playing with practice squad receivers every week and STILL was able to pull out wins. Week 16 of 2019 comes to mind, remember that one?

Also, Wentz is having a good season so far. Are you saying that wins/loses are solely on the QB?

Dak is better than Wentz, but to act like their situations didn't matter is just foolish and shows your lack of being able to look at things with unbiased eyes.

You don't like Went about as much as you don't like me lol? Wow. Ok lol. I don't even know how to respond to such a comment.

If you've seen Wentz play this season......he's what a lot of you guys said about Dak in the past....he's "managing the game". Which there's nothing wrong with that. Alex Smith built a career managing the game. But he has these mental lapses at least once a game just like he did last year. Its also worth noting the Colts defense isn't as good as it use to be for whatever reason. So the record isn't solely on him. He's just not really doing much to factor into these games. Kirk Cousins is having a similar year. Good enough season.

And the team around Dak has gotten so much overhype.....how many 4-12 seasons do we have to see with the quarterback to realize that 2016 wasn't nearly as good as the 13 wins indicated?

Hell the Rams and Eagles had more than 4 wins going into that 2016 draft.

Sure I know the narrative......"Oh they didn't have Romo". Ok they didn't have Romo in 2016 either but they won 13 games with Dak and Zeke.

Eagles and Rams were so bad they were in the playoffs the next year with the Eagles winning a SB without Wentz.

Meanwhile, Dak's surrounding pieces in Dez, Jason Witten, Terrance Williams, Brice Butler would all be out the league soon after with Cole Beasley being the only one still in the league.

 

[DFWJC]

Go Dak


Leaving the Dak vs Wentz stuff aside (I've never once been involved in that argument)......
Wentz is quietly starting to play some pretty decent ball the last few weeks (barring that knucklehead play in the OP)

It's kind of a mixed bag for us though
1) if he plays well, the Colts will keep playing him and the Eagles get a 1st instead of a 2nd (needs 75% of snaps)
2) but also, if he plays well and the Colts win, that pick starts to be lower in the 1st round

Surprisingly, here are Wentz' 2021 key stats so far:
102.8 QB rating
12 Total TDs
4 Total Turnovers (1 int)

 

[Direwolf63]

Intangibles also matter.

Dak is a natural born leader. His teammates and coaches love him. His teammates will go through walls for him.

Wentz's last days in Philly were a disaster. Most of the locker room wanted him gone. He didn't spend time with his teammates. The locker room rallied around Foles instead.

Wentz is still trying to build his off field cred wIth his new team. Looks like it is getting better, but he will never be the leader Dak has been since day 1

 

[Swagger]

It gets brought up because there were some folks who continued to bring up the idea that Wentz was better than Dak. For years.

Now those people don’t want to have that conversation bc , well, it makes them look ridiculous.

If it was ok for them to throw their Wentz-love in the face of people that supported Dak— why is it wrong for some Dak-love to be thrown the other way?

In the end— in my opinion, this isn’t even a debate anymore lol. It’s a dead horse. But the Wentz love around these parts was trumpeted pretty loudly, so I am enjoying the shoe being on the other foot lol

Prescott is playing exceptionally well this season and it's great to see.

But Wentz is playing well for the Colts, especially considering he had to contend with a banged up o line to start the season until the last game or two and his WR1 has only played one game. If he was playing in line with how he did at the Eagles last season where he had an awful offense around him including a banged up line (16 TD to 15 INT) then I would be hey, fair play, Wentz is dreadful. But he has 11 TDS to 1 INT and objectively speaking, he's playing well.

So I don't understand the comparison or the need to compare quarterbacks in different situations.

 

[Swagger]

Go Dak


Leaving the Dak vs Wentz stuff aside (I've never once been involved in that argument)......
Wentz is quietly starting to play some pretty decent ball the last few weeks (barring that knucklehead play in the OP)

It's kind of a mixed bag for us though
1) if he plays well, the Colts will keep playing him and the Eagles get a 1st instead of a 2nd (needs 75% of snaps)
2) but also, if he plays well and the Colts win, that pick starts to be lower in the 1st round

Surprisingly, here are Wentz' 2021 key stats so far:
102.8 QB rating
12 Total TDs
4 Total Turnovers (1 int)

But to be honest, it's not surprising as Wentz is playing well this season.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

It would have been quicker to just say you were completely wrong.

Dak is absolutely just a better QB than Wentz in any system. Physical tools aren't all that matter to play QB in the NFL. Dak has that "it" factor and has become one of the better QBs in the league even if fans of his own team are too stubborn to admit it because they spent so much time bashing him that they now aren't sure how to get out of that stance now that he is dominating

I 100% believe that Dak is one of the best QBs in the league right now.

But I'm not going to just pretend that he wasn't put in the perfect situation. Dak was a 4th round pick for a reason. That "it factor" you speak of didn't exist. He wouldn't even have been the starter if not for injuries to Romo and Moore. That "it factor" may have never got to shine if that didn't happened. You can say the same about Brady also. It was luck and ended up working out for the best for us and Dak.

 

[G2]

Is Wentz better than Dak? No. Are the situations different in terms of personnel? Yes. Does anything really get accomplished with this? No. Does your damn meme still make me want bacon? Absolutely.

I don't like Wentz about as much as I don't like you, but just because he was an Eagle I'm not going to pretend the guy stinks, because he don't. His injuries derailed him a lot and towards the end with Philly he was literally playing with practice squad receivers every week and STILL was able to pull out wins. Week 16 of 2019 comes to mind, remember that one?

Also, Wentz is having a good season so far. Are you saying that wins/loses are solely on the QB?

Dak is better than Wentz, but to act like their situations didn't matter is just foolish and shows your lack of being able to look at things with unbiased eyes.

Wait, you're doubling down on Wentz not being hot garbage?
He's ranked 15, which is average. Par. Middle of the road. Meh.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You don't like Went about as much as you don't like me lol? Wow. Ok lol. I don't even know how to respond to such a comment.

If you've seen Wentz play this season......he's what a lot of you guys said about Dak in the past....he's "managing the game". Which there's nothing wrong with that. Alex Smith built a career managing the game. But he has these mental lapses at least once a game just like he did last year. Its also worth noting the Colts defense isn't as good as it use to be for whatever reason. So the record isn't solely on him. He's just not really doing much to factor into these games. Kirk Cousins is having a similar year. Good enough season.

And the team around Dak has gotten so much overhype.....how many 4-12 seasons do we have to see with the quarterback to realize that 2016 wasn't nearly as good as the 13 wins indicated?

Hell the Rams and Eagles had more than 4 wins going into that 2016 draft.

Sure I know the narrative......"Oh they didn't have Romo". Ok they didn't have Romo in 2016 either but they won 13 games with Dak and Zeke.

Eagles and Rams were so bad they were in the playoffs the next year with the Eagles winning a SB without Wentz.

Meanwhile, Dak's surrounding pieces in Dez, Jason Witten, Terrance Williams, Brice Butler would all be out the league soon after with Cole Beasley being the only one still in the league.

I don't care about your biased opinions.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Wait, you're doubling down on Wentz not being hot garbage?
He's ranked 15, which is average. Par. Middle of the road. Meh.

He's ranked 15th in what?

 

[USArmyVet]

Wait, you're doubling down on Wentz not being hot garbage?
He's ranked 15, which is average. Par. Middle of the road. Meh.

I do not think people are "doubling down" on anything but simply pointing out that Wentz is off to his best career start.

 

[CowboyFrog]

The difference is simple.

Dak was a 4th round pick because Dallas had all the tools in place to compete. They weren't in the business of looking for a franchise QB. They wasn't just a QB away from competing. If Romo was the QB in 2016 the Cowboys would have been just as good, if not better. Romo and Moore got hurt, Dak took over a loaded offense, had a great season, and the rest is history.

Wentz was a top draft pick because the Eagles did not have the tools in place. That's usually why you're drafting a QB at the top of the 1st round. Wentz was now expected to turn everything around, and in 2017 he did before he was hurt, but hey, it's football and that happens.

Dak ended up performing better than Wentz, but the situations were completely different, and injuries to Wentz derailed a lot for him. Dak was not asked to do anywhere near the same that Wentz was asked. Wentz didn't have Zeke and that O-Line. I don't really care what anyone says. If you switched Dak and Wentz back in 2016 I believe their careers turn out complete different.

Like Dak wins a SB because he does not get hurt? that is a horrible way to try and say the Cowboys where better???? THE EAGLES WON A SB!!! lol

 

[Hawkeye19]

The only time I recall seeing Wentz's name brought up is when contract negotiations were going on for Dak and people were saying, when it was reported that Dak wanted top tier QB money, that Dak should be in the range of Wentz and Goff as that is where his career was at the time.

Is Dak playing better than Wentz and Goff right now? Absolutely. Is Wentz off to his best start in spite of injuries? Absolutely. Is Goff showing himself a below average QB right now? Absolutely.

So not sure why the need to look backwards but to each their own.

Lol… there were loads of threads during the Philly SB run. Loads. Dak being compared to everyone in his draft class has been pretty common fodder on the board

To pretend otherwise is to— well- pretend. But to each his own I guess

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Like Dak wins a SB because he does not get hurt? that is a horrible way to try and say the Cowboys where better???? THE EAGLES WON A SB!!! lol

If you don't think having the best O-Line in the NFL, the NFL rushing leader in Zeke, Dez, Witten, Beasley, and Williams back in 2016 didn't help Dak then you are more delusional then I previously thought.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Prescott is playing exceptionally well this season and it's great to see.

But Wentz is playing well for the Colts, especially considering he had to contend with a banged up o line to start the season until the last game or two and his WR1 has only played one game. If he was playing in line with how he did at the Eagles last season where he had an awful offense around him including a banged up line (16 TD to 15 INT) then I would be hey, fair play, Wentz is dreadful. But he has 11 TDS to 1 INT and objectively speaking, he's playing well.

So I don't understand the comparison or the need to compare quarterbacks in different situations.

I posted to answer ArmyVet’s question as to why the comparison between Dak and Wentz continues to get brought up

There is no debate IMO… Dak has settled it a while ago

 

[USArmyVet]

Lol… there were loads of threads during the Philly SB run. Loads. Dak being compared to everyone in his draft class has been pretty common fodder on the board

To pretend otherwise is to— well- pretend. But to each his own I guess

Well, seeing as how that was in 2017 and I was not a member of the group then isn't pretending but whatever people want to say is on them I suppose.

 

[Swagger]

Prescott is playing exceptionally well - nobody is claiming otherwise. But if we look at it objectively, he should be given what he has around him. How many other quarterbacks in the league have two running backs averaging over 5 yards and 6 yards a carry respectively, receivers like Lamb and Cooper, in all likelihood two future hall of famers offensive lineman, a dynamic offensive coordinator in Moore and a defense that's up there with the best in the league in takeaways giving the offense more possessions? Again, Prescott is playing at the top of his game and it's great to see but why compare him with quarterbacks who don't have the same around them?

Cousins and Carr are playing really well for their respective teams, I think Carr in particular given his offensive line isn't giving him a lot of help and his running backs average around 3.5 yard a carry between them, but let's all just act as though every quarterback has exactly the same talent around them. Oh and Stafford is having a truly terrible season as most predicted on here. Whereas in reality, he joined a good team and is now "playing well"...or was he always playing well but for mostly bad teams...

 

[CowboyFrog]

If you don't think having the best O-Line in the NFL, the NFL rushing leader in Zeke, Dez, Witten, Beasley, and Williams back in 2016 didn't help Dak then you are more delusional then I previously thought.

Come on man make this make sense...That Eagles team won a SB with the backup QB playing every game in playoffs and SB...yet the Cowboys had a better supporting cast?...again thats a horrible argument.