***Mega Merge Dak is not a elite QB thread***

[SteveTheCowboy]

Ok when did me and my "buddies" say Dak was elite because of the Giants game? Should be pretty easy to find since so many of us are saying it?

I've tried that tactic before...against people who call me dak hater. It doesn't work when what they are saying isn't true. But good luck!

 

[CowboyFrog]

Sorry to interrupt the squabbling. I tried to look at the stats to get an objective read. Man QBR is an awful stat. No one should ever cite that.

If you go by passer rating, Dak is 6th. IMO, that's a relatively fair ranking. I think he continues to be in the 5 to 10 range for QB's. Not the best but above average.

Last note, you have to de-rate Dak a little for the team around him. You could plug a lot of QB's into Dallas and they would put up huge numbers. Fully healthy, the Dallas offense is ridiculous and as soon as they aren't fully healthy, Dak struggles.

So again the question..what do you think caused Dak the most struggle against KC? how do you think other QB's fair under that kinda pressure? I'm fine with Dak being rank where ever to me he is a top 5 to 3 QB in this season. The only problem I have is people saying "This QB would've been fine under that pressure" when factual NFL history shows no QB is...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

DAK MVP
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I'll be here posting the above.......

Probably the best post you’ve had all year.

Run and hide on ignore...cause you ain't selling Pappy your madness......

Nah you know I'm not the run and hide type....you just were being outlandish its making me contemplate it.

 

[Fmart322]

Dak had 2 bad games this year and now we're labeling him as not an elite QB.

Both of his bad games the OL played abysmal. How about putting the blame where it deserves, on the OL.

 

[doomsday9084]

So again the question..what do you think caused Dak the most struggle against KC? how do you think other QB's fair under that kinda pressure? I'm fine with Dak being rank where ever to me he is a top 5 to 3 QB in this season. The only problem I have is people saying "This QB would've been fine under that pressure" when factual NFL history shows no QB is...

I don't think the blame for KC can fall on one player. The offensive line was terrible and the receivers dropped a few passes.

That said, Dak was consistently off all day, even when he had time. Just go look at the first possession. He missed a wide open Gallup. Then he came back and put a pass at CeeDee's ankles that Lamb happened to catch. Both of these passes were under no pressure and the WR had got himself lots of space. Several of the WR drops were balls that were behind or above the guy that shouldn't have been.

No QB is perfect and players have off days. That was most definitely an off day for Dak and I think that people trying to push blame away from Dak is causing a lot of the anger here.

I'll restate what I have said before. Early in the year, Dak was fantastic. He was making some great throws, hitting tight windows and getting the ball right where it had to be. He looked like he had taken a clear step up. Now in 2 of his last 3 games . . . not so much. Hopefully these were a fluke.

And again, the o-line was teeeerrrrible. I do not blame Dak for the loss nor blame him for every negative play. OTOH, when the offense is clicking, Dak has lots of time and Lamb/Coop are getting big separation, I don't give Dak a ton of credit for that. When the Dallas offense is on, its pretty easy to be QB.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Dak had 2 bad games this year and now we're labeling him as not an elite QB.

Both of his bad games the OL played abysmal. How about putting the blame where it deserves, on the OL.

That would make too much sense.....they tried arguing what other QB's have done under pressure..then facts come out and conversation over...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

4456"]You have pretty low standards for truth. You think you found a couple outliers....then paint everyone that disagrees with you.

Truth...please.[/QUOTE]
I don't paint everyone that disagrees me. I don't agree with a lot of people on this site on subjects.....some choose to be children about it and some choose to be adults.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Probably the best post you’ve had all year.

Nah you know I'm not the run and hide type....you just were being outlandish its making me contemplate it.

What would you do without me.........

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I've tried that tactic before...against people who call me dak hater. It doesn't work when what they are saying isn't true. But good luck!

Its a ridiculous lie. Nobody sat here and touted Dak for being the Giants lol. I know he can't find it lol.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I don't think the blame for KC can fall on one player. The offensive line was terrible and the receivers dropped a few passes.

That said, Dak was consistently off all day, even when he had time. Just go look at the first possession. He missed a wide open Gallup. Then he came back and put a pass at CeeDee's ankles that Lamb happened to catch. Both of these passes were under no pressure and the WR had got himself lots of space. Several of the WR drops were balls that were behind or above the guy that shouldn't have been.

No QB is perfect and players have off days. That was most definitely an off day for Dak and I think that people trying to push blame away from Dak is causing a lot of the anger here.

I'll restate what I have said before. Early in the year, Dak was fantastic. He was making some great throws, hitting tight windows and getting the ball right where it had to be. He looked like he had taken a clear step up. Now in 2 of his last 3 games . . . not so much. Hopefully these were a fluke.

And again, the o-line was teeeerrrrible. I do not blame Dak for the loss nor blame him for every negative play. OTOH, when the offense is clicking, Dak has lots of time and Lamb/Coop are getting big separation, I don't give Dak a ton of credit for that. When the Dallas offense is on, its pretty easy to be QB.

I have said on many threads Dak was off..the timing on the whole unit was off, and we literally wasted a great Defensive game...Saying that, the O-line literally gave up NFL historic pressure numbers. So was Dak off yes, but there are some dismissing that like other QB's would've been fine when in fact ..they are not...that kind of pressure on a QB kills any QB....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

What would you do without me.........

I'd keep going lol....I would call you the Joker to my Batman but Joker didn't disappear after losses lol. He reared his ugly head any chance he could get lol. Pappy, if you want to be the Joker you gotta troll even on the weeks they win lol.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

Elite is just some word that fans and media alike use to....I guess to use as talking points. Because Eli has 2 rings and no one would ever call him elite.

I'm with you there buddy, and honestly don't think it's important anyways. Winning matters, and I know believe we can do that with Dak.

Speaking of Eli, he will be another member of the HOF who has no business being there, ala Terry Bradshaw. You put him on a team that wasn't full of HOFers and he never sniffs a SB. Also, put a Burt Jones, Dan Pastorini, and many others on those Steeler teams and they are looked at differently.

Lot's of what-ifs, but that's been my opinion for many years.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm with you there buddy, and honestly don't think it's important anyways. Winning matters, and I know believe we can do that with Dak.

Speaking of Eli, he will be another member of the HOF who has no business being there, ala Terry Bradshaw. You put him on a team that wasn't full of HOFers and he never sniffs a SB. Also, put a Burt Jones, Dan Pastorini, and many others on those Steeler teams and they are looked at differently.

Lot's of what-ifs, but that's been my opinion for many years.

I agree.....crazy to think Eli is a Hall of Famer...this goes back to putting too much stock into rings because at the end of the day Eli didn't win those rings himself. But they will buy him into the Hall at some point.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

I agree.....crazy to think Eli is a Hall of Famer...this goes back to putting too much stock into rings because at the end of the day Eli didn't win those rings himself. But they will buy him into the Hall at some point.

I bet it happens one day, and when guys like him get in it sorta devalues the HOF to me. He threw up a couple jump balls that his guy came down with and that will get him a jacket. Just crazy to me.

Have a great Thanksgiving.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I bet it happens one day, and when guys like him get in it sorta devalues the HOF to me. He threw up a couple jump balls that his guy came down with and that will get him a jacket. Just crazy to me.

Have a great Thanksgiving.

You too man let's hope we get this W and not have to throw up our Thanksgiving food because of a poor performance lol.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

I dont disagree, but one thing you and many others seem to forget is the coaching.
dak doesnt make game plans or design the plays, or call the plays , or decide who is playing or what position they will play etc etc etc.

Dak doesnt handle heavy pressure well, so putting steele in a new position, and mcgovern in at LT, and keeping lael at rt , were not good decisions.
playing elliot hurt, over pollard, not good decision.
When KC got pressure early Dallas didnt go heavy run offense, which aikman pointed out they should have, again not good decisions.

I think it is not so much the OL that is bad, but the play/ blocking designs that allow guys to come in free , way too often.
elliot tackled in backfield by coming in free, next play dak is strip sacked by guy coming in free ! lol it is really amusing to me, and I see it with
other teams as well.

It all starts with good coaching, not the qb.

Although I am a fan of the coaching staff, it's hard to disagree with anything you said.

Very good post!

 

[GINeric]

He is great at getting garbage time stats?? If stats could win a SB, he would already have a couple of rings.
But it isnt all daks fault, it is the HC and Kellens too.

If he put up stats that only four other qbs in NFL put up in history.... and if they were only garbage time stats... why have only 5 qbs in NFL history managed to reach these garbage time stat numbers but other qbs including first round drafted qbs couldn't garbage time their way into this category???

Its easy to get garbage time stats right???? So why only 5 qbs in damn near 100 years able to reach these numbers within 5 years of their careers??? Did garbage time stats just start when Dak got drafted???




I'll wait.....

 

[Swagger]

So again the question..what do you think caused Dak the most struggle against KC? how do you think other QB's fair under that kinda pressure? I'm fine with Dak being rank where ever to me he is a top 5 to 3 QB in this season. The only problem I have is people saying "This QB would've been fine under that pressure" when factual NFL history shows no QB is...

The point is that most other quarterbacks do not have the protection Prescott generally has in games. If they did then in the opinion of those posters such as myself who do not view Prescott as a top 3-5 QB in the league, they would produce very similar results. That's the HUGE point people fail to address/accept. If someone like Cousins had played for the Cowboys instead of Prescott, the former putting up highly respectable stats and performances with indifferent offensive lines for the Vikings, then how do you think he would have played for the Cowboys? Imo it would have produced almost identical results.

I read bits and pieces about terrible Matt Ryan played vs the Patriots. Did people actually watch the game? It was like watching assault by battery and that was just one game when he has largely endured that all season yet they have still won what 5 games?

So that's why people don't accept Prescott lovers just banging on about how amazing he played when the o line was lights out against weaker teams and the running game averaged 6 yards a carry to then simply claim he had zero chance vs the Chiefs given the offensive line. You can't have it both ways.

He was excellent vs the Bucs even allowing for how well the offensive line played but was horrific vs the Chiefs even allowing for how poorly the offensive line played as he only had to make a few throws for the team to have won the game.

Aaron Rodgers helped the Packers beat the Cardinals without a load of their starters in their back yard. That's what an elite QB is able to do and when faced with adversity.

 

[CowboyFrog]

The point is that most other quarterbacks do not have the protection Prescott generally has in games. If they did then in the opinion of those posters such as myself who do not view Prescott as a top 3-5 QB in the league, they would produce very similar results. That's the HUGE point people fail to address/accept. If someone like Cousins had played for the Cowboys instead of Prescott, the former putting up highly respectable stats and performances with indifferent offensive lines for the Vikings, then how do you think he would have played for the Cowboys? Imo it would have produced almost identical results.

I read bits and pieces about terrible Matt Ryan played vs the Patriots. Did people actually watch the game? It was like watching assault by battery and that was just one game when he has largely endured that all season yet they have still won what 5 games?

So that's why people don't accept Prescott lovers just banging on about how amazing he played when the o line was lights out against weaker teams and the running game averaged 6 yards a carry to then simply claim he had zero chance vs the Chiefs given the offensive line. You can't have it both ways.

He was excellent vs the Bucs even allowing for how well the offensive line played but was horrific vs the Chiefs even allowing for how poorly the offensive line played as he only had to make a few throws for the team to have won the game.

Aaron Rodgers helped the Packers beat the Cardinals without a load of their starters in their back yard. That's what an elite QB is able to do and when faced with adversity.

Yeah i get all that but A-rod facing pressure like what happened in KC would not fair well again no QB does...you can like who like as QB its no matter to me...what you cant do is show me Games they played where they faced over 50% pressure on Drop backs average time of under 1.5 on drop backs and they had a good game

 

[kramskoi]

Dak had 2 bad games this year and now we're labeling him as not an elite QB.

Both of his bad games the OL played abysmal. How about putting the blame where it deserves, on the OL.

He overthrew or underthrew at least 3 big passes that could've turned the game. His QBR is sitting at 51...lower than it was in 2018. Until he shows that he can do more with less he will face doubters and criticism. These games where he is barely above or even below 100 yds passing in the fourth quarter are simply unacceptable. This o-line may not play a whole let better than it has for the rest of the year and that's if no further injuries occur over the next 7 games.