After watching Aaron Donald we could really use something similar

[Blackrain]

I will take Jerry's horrible culture to beat that guy down. We have over a quarter century of proof of what that culture does to the players here. No amount of motor is going to overcome that.

Sadly you are probably right

 

[Blackrain]

Would you have been happier if we used our one last year on a def tackle vs Micah?

If he was as talented a defensive tackle as Micah is a linebacker I wouldn't have had a problem with it at all.

Because in my mind the interior of the defense of line is what should be built first.

Micah is a great player but he is in his youth right now and because we don't have anyone elite in the center of our defense he will take more of a beating at linebacker trying to stop people consistently getting to the second level.

 

[Blackrain]

I agree that we probably don't see DT (as well as a cover based Safety) as a sexy headline position to draft, though to be fair there's not been many complaints about the 1st round picks of the last few years.

Id argue that LG was a greater need due to: the penalties, lack of running game and pressure on Dak.....and I was someone who loved the focus on defense in the last draft. Our Defense is designed to keep us in the game....the resources pumped into that Offense means it needs to burden the strain. I would put a proviso, that i wouldnt pick a LG or any player for that matter if there was better value on the board (in a position of need).

As I say if we were one player or had just one weakness then yep no problem trading up for that DT (certainly a position of need), but we need more than one success per draft and therefore can't afford to lose draft capital by trading up ...imho.

I hear you on the left guard situation and also believe that center is another position of need. We are somewhat weak in the center of both lines

 

[NoFurtherQuestions]

We'd be better if we just got the most impactful defensive player in the league just like that

 

[kskboys]

We'd be better if we just got the most impactful defensive player in the league just like that

And another guy w/ reading comprehension problems!!!! How did you miss the word "similar"?

 

[NoFurtherQuestions]

And another guy w/ reading comprehension problems!!!! How did you miss the word "similar"?

There is no other like Donald in the league and maybe at best there are 2 or 3 guys that are even somewhat close.

 

[Blackrain]

There is no other like Donald in the league and maybe at best there are 2 or 3 guys that are even somewhat close.

Maybe you and at least two or three other guys should start at the beginning of the thread and read the whole thing through .

At that point you may be somewhat close to understanding what this thread is about.

Lol

 

[Ozone22]

but we need one......... just draft one, should be easy. Maybe we should write Jerry a letter letting him know how important having a run stopping def tackle is. They may not be aware of this.

I agree with they need just one. But look how long it took for them to get lucky finding Parsons.

 

[Ekspozed]

Vita would have been nice

 

[VaqueroTD]

I still remember how much I wanted this guy in the draft. Some mocks him him dropping to our spot, but we missed him by three spots. At least we got Zack Martin, another guy who will probably go in the Hall of Fame at his position. If it makes you feel better, there aren’t a lot of guards in the Hall of Fame either.

 

[kskboys]

There is no other like Donald in the league and maybe at best there are 2 or 3 guys that are even somewhat close.

Of course. He is an interior disruptor. That is what we need. We should pull out all stops until we find one.

And there's way more than 2 or 3. Here's a few you're not thinking of: Chris Jones, Deforest Buckner, Cameron Heyward, Grady Jarrett, Jeffrey Simmons, Quinnen Williams, Jonathon Allen, Calais Campbell, Leonard Williams, Cameron Jordan. There's also some youngsters coming up who could get there, such as Dremont Jones, Stephen Tuitt, Adam Butler, Kinlaw.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

agreed .

also if we had tom brady too .

 

[aaev84]

Does anybody other than me get the feeling that we could really use something similar to that in the middle of our defensive line.
Is there a reason why we can't use a high draft pick on a player that can impact the game like that. He isn't even a real big guy 6-1. 284. This guy has a motor that just won't stop

I don't even think Jerry's horrible culture could stop this guy's motor

Thoughts???

Aaron Donald had insane upside coming out. Was basically generational athleticism, speed, and power for a dlineman. Think the guy ran something insane like 4.6 or 4.7ish for being 280-290lbs also.

 

[kskboys]

agreed .

also if we had tom brady too .

Why do you want a guy who is no longer in the NFL?

 

[Blackrain]

I agree with they need just one. But look how long it took for them to get lucky finding Parsons.

Yep it took a while to find a quality player like Parsons but in my opinion one of the big keys to finding him was we used a first round pick.

That's the problem in this situation I believe we never use a first-round pick on a defensive tackle.

We are always counting on finding something that needs some development in a later round and for some reason we don't do a good job developing that position

 

[CowboyoWales]

I hear you on the left guard situation and also believe that center is another position of need. We are somewhat weak in the center of both lines

Spot on....and I admit that there's a valid argument that we should 'merge' picks to draft up and get 1 outstanding difference making talent over a number of lesser players. However, as we agree this team has quite telling issues on both lines....which is where the CAP Issue comes into play as it turns into an either or especially with only the 25 pick.

But I suppose that's why we have a team evaluating the draft and identifying where players and their likely to fall.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Yep it took a while to find a quality player like Parsons but in my opinion one of the big keys to finding him was we used a first round pick.

That's the problem in this situation I believe we never use a first-round pick on a defensive tackle.

We are always counting on finding something that needs some development in a later round and for some reason we don't do a good job developing that position

Isnt that the nature of players falling into the latter rounds.... either they need development, dont have elite physical abilities or they are only proficient at one aspect of the position they play.

In some respects why did Donald fall to no.13 (?) in the draft? Possibly due to his size which wouldnt be deemed elite at the position. To find another allround DT is difficult and therefore we've possibly tried to draft and rotate specialist DT's for specific downs.

I also wouldnt give up on Osa and Gallimore and we havent even given Bohanna (accepted as a project) and his specialist Nose tackle body to develop.

 

[Blackrain]

Isnt that the nature of players falling into the latter rounds.... either they need development, dont have elite physical abilities or they are only proficient at one aspect of the position they play.

In some respects why did Donald fall to no.13 (?) in the draft? Possibly due to his size which wouldnt be deemed elite at the position. To find another allround DT is difficult and therefore we've possibly tried to draft and rotate specialist DT's for specific downs.

I also wouldnt give up on Osa and Gallimore and we havent even given Bohanna (accepted as a project) and his specialist Nose tackle body to develop.

Yeah bohana is a really big guy who should be able to be developed That would be really nice if he turned into say a j Ratliff type player.

I'm just getting frustrated with us working around this problem all the time seeing us get run on like we're a high school team is painful almost as painful as watching Zeke getting stood up at the line of scrimmage or our center getting pushed into Daks lap every other play

 

[CowboyoWales]

Yeah bohana is a really big guy who should be able to be developed That would be really nice if he turned into say a j Ratliff type player.

I'm just getting frustrated with us working around this problem all the time seeing us get run on like we're a high school team is painful almost as painful as watching Zeke getting stood up at the line of scrimmage or our center getting pushed into Daks lap every other play

Oh I hear you.....and giving a quick glance at the prospects for the draft an interesting player maybe Tyler Linderbaum especially as he can play both C and G
which in effect we get to play the best combination of Biadasz/Collins/Linderbaum at the two positions.

Saying that we'd possibly have to draft up to get him, though mocks have him varied as teams dont like taking a C high in the draft? I havent checked to see whether there's a possible all round option at DT?

 

[plasticman]

What we have will eventually be better. Parsons will eventually exceed Donald as a genuine game changer.