Amari Cooper was overrated here. Look at the numbers

[Bobhaze]

When Bob starts off with 'This is not a hate thread', buckle up.

It’s “hate season” brother!

 

[Diehardblues]

Does it really matter what he signs for elsewhere? He's coming off a "down" season, is a year older and his chronic lower-body injuries are well-documented now. What he is going to get elsewhere at this point may not match what he's set to receive for us if we keep him. Maybe Coop and Gallup sign for the same amount, but if so, it will likely be because Cooper is no longer seen as a No. 1. He's still relatively young, but he's going into his eighth season of wear and tear. Usually, the second contract is better than the third because of that unless the receiver is playing at an even higher level at that time.

How would you propose to compare their value and production ?

And remember I agree Cooper is over paid. We will get to see how much.

 

[Captain-Crash]

the only way cooper is getting the ball is if the baby dak, takes two steps and throws it without reading anything. that's the only way he has any success. anytime a play goes too long, he panics and throws wild passes or gets sacked. the baby dak can't read defenses. Moore just needs to run plays where he takes one step and throws the ball, if the guy is covered, well you know what happens. Moore, the offensive line, WRs, and RBs get the blame.

 

[G2]

If you want to justify letting Cooper go, go re-watch the 49ers game and follow him around.

 

[vlad]

I largely agreed with your take. Dak won't target him seemingly, so why pay for a #1. I mean he's not a check down RB or TE?

I will say this twitter post made me question my stance..

Maybe we're paying him to make Dak better across the board?

our offense was trash before him, a wr ppl actually are concerned over. Stephen may fumble into a Superbowl in his tenure but I doubt it, he’s a clown.

but we’re lucky you have zeke

 

[ghst187]

The Amari issue is more of a Dak and Kellen problem than an Amari problem

 

[eromeopolk]

I have no animosity for Coop. He greatly helped this team in 2018 make the playoffs. My problem is not Amari. It’s the FO selling him to the fans and paying him like he’s a top 5 receiver when he clearly is not and never will be. That’s just the truth. Not animosity towards Coop.

His numbers show him to mostly be a really good route running possession receiver. Every team needs one. He’s great at that. He’s averaged about 12 yds per reception and in 9 games last year avg 50 yards or less. But they’re paying him like he’s DaVante Adams, Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase. He’s nothing like those guys. Again, not his fault, just the truth.

I usually agree with you. But it is just not reality. Nick Saban thought he was a top 5 WR by throwing him the ball more than he threw to Julio Jones. He is in the record books at Alabama

Raiders and Carr thought he was a top 5 WR selecting him 4th overall, 2 Pro Bowls, and no.53 Top 100 in the NFL from 2015-16 seasons. 2017 played injured but finished his short career in the record books for the Raiders.

I already detailed his performance for the Jonesboys. He got paid what the market paid. Remember he turned down a NFC East team to resign with the Jonesboys thinking they were the Cowboys. How was he rewarded, the drafted a WR when the Jonesboys need defense. He still posted a Pro Bowl 92 catch season without Prescott and with CeeDee Lamb.

 

[Alexander]

What if I told you the offensive coordinator doesn't call 'throw it to Lamb on 3'?

You saw the QB feed it to Lamb like he was the WR1.

I am not arguing that.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

The question still is how he was utilized.

I saw them feed Lamb the ball like he was the WR1.

Except for the PO loss like Troy said he should have.

 

[gimmesix]

How would you propose to compare their value and production ?

And remember I agree Cooper is over paid. We will get to see how much.

It can't have anything to do with what Dallas was willing to pay Cooper compared to what he receives from another team unless he would be willing to stay here for the same amount, which would mean being willing to take a pay cut. Players aren't often willing to take a pay cut because it seems like a slap in the face, even when they are willing to take less from another team.

If we want to compare them, then we need to look at production value. Does Cooper produce for his next team like a player we should have continued paying or do we get a similar production level from Gallup making less than that?

What's in the past is in the past. Pay rates change from year to year and there are multiple factors (age, production, etc.) that affect the going rate at the time. Cooper two years ago could have made more to leave Dallas than he took to stay. Dallas paid what his going rate was then. It isn't liable to be his going rate now. So that simply needs to stay out of the equation.

 

[Doomsday]

The Amari issue is more of a Dak and Kellen problem than an Amari problem

Even if that is true, which I am not convinced of, his production in the Dallas offense doesn't justify paying him $56 million over the next 3 seasons.

 

[Rayman70]

yeah maybe hes overrated but he doesn't deserve the smear job being laid on him by the team and its reporters. Hes a great dude and great team mate.

 

[Diehardblues]

It can't have anything to do with what Dallas was willing to pay Cooper compared to what he receives from another team unless he would be willing to stay here for the same amount, which would mean being willing to take a pay cut. Players aren't often willing to take a pay cut because it seems like a slap in the face, even when they are willing to take less from another team.

If we want to compare them, then we need to look at production value. Does Cooper produce for his next team like a player we should have continued paying or do we get a similar production level from Gallup making less than that?

What's in the past is in the past. Pay rates change from year to year and there are multiple factors (age, production, etc.) that affect the going rate at the time. Cooper two years ago could have made more to leave Dallas than he took to stay. Dallas paid what his going rate was then. It isn't liable to be his going rate now. So that simply needs to stay out of the equation.

I’m not sure Coopers value would have been as high anywhere else.

 

[Diehardblues]

yeah maybe hes overrated but he doesn't deserve the smear job being laid on him by the team and its reporters. Hes a great dude and great team mate.

This could have been best post in the thread without the last sentence which wasn’t needed.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Can we now officially say Jerry is no longer allowed to trade for a wide receiver again? Ever! At least this one got some better and longer value than Roy Williams or Joey Galloway, but how many draft picks have we wasted away the last 25 years looking for the next Michael Irvin?

 

[Diehardblues]

Cooper was an over reaction in 2018 by our front office to prop up our QB and offense after WR by committee failed after releasing Dez.

After investing a 1st round pick Jethro wasn’t going to look foolish not giving him a 2nd contract so they were bent over a barrel again.

Cooper did help uplift our offense and QB. Is he worth 20 million. Not when we draft another WR in 1st round and why we shouldn’t have extended him.

We’ve now had to invest 2 1st round picks for WR in last 4 years with not much to show for it as far as team accomplishments.

So here we are again looking to over invest in WR again (WR 2 this time) and use our tag probably on other receiver ( Shultz) while we’ve overpaid our RB and QB.

This franchise is such a joke. We just keep trying to prove dumb mistakes right.

 

[gimmesix]

I’m not sure Coopers value would have been as high anywhere else.

Cooper reportedly got a higher offer from Washington, by $10 million total. Now, he didn't make a great sacrifice by taking $100 million from Dallas instead of $110 million from Washington because of the lack of a state income tax in Texas, but Washington appears to have valued him higher. He would have had an APY of $22 million instead of $20 million. It's not unrealistic to think other teams would have been willing to pay him the same as Dallas.

 

[Bobhaze]

Can we now officially say Jerry is no longer allowed to trade for a wide receiver again? Ever! At least this one got some better and longer value than Roy Williams or Joey Galloway, but how many draft picks have we wasted away the last 25 years looking for the next Michael Irvin?

Answer to the question, how many draft picks have we wasted in WR trades under Jerry? The answer is embarrassing:

• For Joey Galloway in 2000: two 1st round picks.
• For Roy Williams in 2008: a 1st, 3rd and 6th round pick.
• For Amari Cooper in 2018: one 1st round pick.
• For a grand total of…wait for it…four 1st round picks, a 3rd and 6th round pick.

 

[ghst187]

Even if that is true, which I am not convinced of, his production in the Dallas offense doesn't justify paying him $56 million over the next 3 seasons.

then why pay any WR? Or Shultz? Just draft 5 OL and pay a busted RB Amari’s salary and keep force feeding him the ball.
not sure why people forgot what Dak and the O looked like before the Amari trade. mcclay has to be beside himself…clown FO cant win with pretty good talent he’s drafted and assembled.
guessing Wash gets a QB and the NFC East streak of non-repeat champs continues

 

[ondaedg]

where did you get these stats?

The separation stats are from NFL.COM’s next generation stats. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving/2021/REG/all#yards