Amari Cooper trade vs Hill and Adams

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Well 2 of those WRs have had multiple 1,200+ yard seasons and multiple 10+ TD seasons.

The 3rd WR has NEVER hit those marks.

So as someone else pointed out, 2 of them are arguably two of the top WRs in the NFL and the other is just paid like he is.

It sucks, but it is true.
 

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Every situation is different and the players perceived value as compared to his contract value are an important part of this. Rams got a 6th for Woods who isn't as good as Cooper of course, but also only costs like $14M as compared to Cooper's $20M per year so he has a somewhat similar value. IMO Cooper should have gotten us back like a 3rd rounder and the reason we didn't get this was because we told everyone who would listen that we were going to cut him. Exact same issue as Collins. Thank the Jones boys...
Great take on the whole situation.
We ran Coopers value down before trading him.
It was very bad management of an asset.
 

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Tyreek Hill netted a 2022 1st, a 2022 2nd a 2022 4th-round pick, and additional picks in 2023

Davonte Adams netted a 2022 first and a 2022 2nd

Amari Cooper netted a 2022 5th and 2023 6th, plus Dallas traded back a 2022 6th.

Not saying Cooper is at Adam's and Hill's level, but......man.
Our FO never keeps there mouths shut. The media is their favorite place to play. Dumb and dumber.
 

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Tyreek Hill netted a 2022 1st, a 2022 2nd a 2022 4th-round pick, and additional picks in 2023

Davonte Adams netted a 2022 first and a 2022 2nd

Amari Cooper netted a 2022 5th and 2023 6th, plus Dallas traded back a 2022 6th.

Not saying Cooper is at Adam's and Hill's level, but......man.
you mean Jerry got fleeced, yet again, by tipping his hand!!!
 

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Tyreek Hill netted a 2022 1st, a 2022 2nd a 2022 4th-round pick, and additional picks in 2023

Davonte Adams netted a 2022 first and a 2022 2nd

Amari Cooper netted a 2022 5th and 2023 6th, plus Dallas traded back a 2022 6th.

Not saying Cooper is at Adam's and Hill's level, but......man.
Cant compare Cooper to these two and it also doesnt help when the idiotic team itself puts out rumors they will cut the player... :)
 

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Woods is injured. That’s a HUGE difference.

They certainly could have done better than a 5th rounder. But the owners can’t keep their mouths shut and have to tell the world everything they’re doing.
Last yr was the year to deal him, not coming off an average season at his price.
 

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Tyreek Hill netted a 2022 1st, a 2022 2nd a 2022 4th-round pick, and additional picks in 2023

Davonte Adams netted a 2022 first and a 2022 2nd

Amari Cooper netted a 2022 5th and 2023 6th, plus Dallas traded back a 2022 6th.

Not saying Cooper is at Adam's and Hill's level, but......man.

Look at it another way the Cowboys got a 5th for Cooper and La'el Collins.
 

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Cooper was traded away and then had his contract re worked to lessen his cap hit

Hill and Adams were traded away and then signed huge market setting deals

There is a reason they got more in return. They got a better player in return. Cooper is not on Adams or Hills level, and its not even close.

But continue to to hate Jerry and Stephen for announcing what everyone already knew. Cooper was getting either cut or traded and replaced with Gallup.
I'll continue to dislike Stephen and Jerry because of 26 years of not making it to the NFCCG. After saying that why are you supporting them?
 

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Adams was approaching free agency on the tag. The only way to get him was by trade.
Hill was on a big contract but facing free agency next year. KC traded him a year ahead because they valued the picks, wanted the cap space, and traded while he had great value.

Cooper was not going to be a Cowboy. The handwriting was on the wall when he wasn’t restructured last year. Teams knew he was going to be released. The Browns were the highest bidder, likely to avoid a bidding war and to use as a piece to getting Wilson to agree. Fans think it was bad negotiating by Dallas. Duh, negotiating the best deal when several teams want a player is pretty easy. There’s not much you can do when only one team will give you a fifth. How do you propose Dallas get them to give much more…lol?
The best offer got him. Maybe the better question is why would no other team hungry for wr offer a 4th to get Cooper. That’s all it would have taken.

The real answer is we should have moved him last year. I suspect we knew we were moving on after drafting lamb. As others have pointed out, we aren’t proactive at all. We wait until it’s clear there is no trade value and even leak it out that we are moving on. The lack or proactivity is a big flaw in how we run the organization. The leaking is just being stupid.
 

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The Cowboys didn't just trade away a player, they traded away a financial burden.

The Cowboys don't just get draft picks for compensation. They get the ability to sign additional veterans or resign some guys they want.

Perhaps the Cowboys couldn't get Kearse, Fowler, and Washington without that trade. Therefore, consider these veteran free agents as a part of that trade.
 

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Remember, Cooper had already established his value when the Raiders traded him to the desperate Cowboys for a first-round draft pick.
Hill and Adams were traded for the first time and netted their respective values.
So, it's a bit unfair to compare a second-traded Cooper to first-traded Hill and Adams.
Besides, Hill and Adams are head-and-shoulders above Cooper at this point in their careers.
Personally, I don't get investing that much trade value in wide receivers, especially when each year the draft seems to be loaded with receivers who can step in Day-1 and make a difference - see Cee Dee Lamb, DeVonta Smith, Justin Jefferson, Ja'marr Chase, Rondale Moore, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman Jr., etc.

The Cowboys got fleeced on the Cooper deal and they got nothing for Collins. There are no excuses for what they did there. They didn't have to trade or cut either player. They forced their own hands, then tipped off the world they would release both players if they could not work out a trade. Notice how the Vikings just kept Danielle Hunter when they did not get a suitable offer for him. Cooper may not be as good as Tyreek Hill but he is worth more than a 5th round pick. The Cowboys are certainly not going to find a receiver as good as Cooper in the 5th round of the draft.
 

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Tyreek Hill netted a 2022 1st, a 2022 2nd a 2022 4th-round pick, and additional picks in 2023

Davonte Adams netted a 2022 first and a 2022 2nd

Amari Cooper netted a 2022 5th and 2023 6th, plus Dallas traded back a 2022 6th.

Not saying Cooper is at Adam's and Hill's level, but......man.
Do you remember how bad Dak was playing before before Cooper came to Dallas? If Dak returns to playing at that level, this Dallas team will be pathetic.
 

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Well 2 of those WRs have had multiple 1,200+ yard seasons and multiple 10+ TD seasons.

The 3rd WR has NEVER hit those marks.

So as someone else pointed out, 2 of them are arguably two of the top WRs in the NFL and the other is just paid like he is.

It sucks, but it is true.

Cooper 2020 92. 1112. 5tds
Hill. 2020. 87 1276 15tds
Adams 2020 115. 1374. 18tds

I put the 2020 stats because Amari did this with backup qbs, I didn't list 2021 due to decreased targets and concerted effort to deflate his stats by the front office through Kellen Moore.

Hill and Adams are better wrs than Cooper but if they are "A"s then Amari is a"B" or "B+" which means he had more value than what we got for him.
 

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Cooper had a pretty piss poor season. Had he put up double digit TD's and had about 1200 receiving yards we would have had a much better haul regardless of contract.

How about some targets from Dak… guy went Shultz crazy during his 2nd half slump
 

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Well 2 of those WRs have had multiple 1,200+ yard seasons and multiple 10+ TD seasons.

The 3rd WR has NEVER hit those marks.

So as someone else pointed out, 2 of them are arguably two of the top WRs in the NFL and the other is just paid like he is.

It sucks, but it is true.

They also had the 2 best qbs in the league throwing them the ball. That tends to help.
 
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