CFZ The Organic Tank

[CalPolyTechnique]

I literally thought this was going to be a thread about Tank changing his diet this off-season.

 

[kskboys]

An NFL owner recently tried to pay his coach to lose games. Yeah, I believe it.

And don't even think that it's a rare occurrence

 

[Whyjerry]

I am as sour a fan as there is but I am not as negative on this off season as most. The Jerry love baby stuff and Stephen being a loud mouthed cheapskate is tough to take but I am glad Gregory, Collins and Cooper are gone. Cooper should have returned more for sure but to be rid of that contract is great. I always preferred Gallup over him. A good draft and a quality camp cut pick up and I am good with the roster part of things.

 

[zekecowboy]

It was clear that JJ was upset after the SF loss as he did not immediately give a vote of confidence to MM’s return. He talks up Quinn as a potential HC. The relationship between MM and the FO seems icy and tense now— a far cry from the sleepover pajama days of 2020.

Since the SF loss? JJ trades, restructures, and cuts bloated salary and unwanted players from the roster.

MM is 2 years into a 5 year deal. JJ is paying him whether he is HC or not. Do you bring in a new HC and pay two guys while you adjust your roster and try and solve your cap issues?

Or do you pay the current HC and saddle him with roster reforms that will lead to a justifiable firing after a mediocre year— while at the same time clearing cap and roster issues to set up your next HC in a decent position?

I think the FO is making some course corrections and are allowing McCarthy to “go down with the ship” in order to be in a better position in 2023 with either Quinn or Payton installed as HC.

This is the only strategy that makes any sense— considering the mood and moves made this offseason.

I am not saying I am in support of this strategy— just mulling over the current state of the franchise and the puzzling decisions of the FO. But— if you want out of some bad decisions you have made in terms of contracts, you are going to have to face the music at some point and eat a crap sandwich.

Best to eat those sandwiches in one bite rather than a nibble here or there. Is it possible that this strange offseason is evidence that the FO is allowing this season to tank in order get out from some bad moves and deals with their eyes on 2023?

RE: I think the FO is making some course corrections and are allowing McCarthy to “go down with the ship” in order to be in a better position in 2023 with either Quinn or Payton installed as HC.

We will have a better idea after the draft is over, especially if Dallas collects a 2023 1st round pick after a trade down.
Also, if Dallas picks a player that has been hurt, ACL, i.e., Jameson Williams which would be a great replacement
for Cooper.

Dallas appears to be making moves to have a better team in 2024 as it will take 2 years if they are truly doing a rebuild.
Their win-loss record will go down in 2023 especially since they have a schedule where they are playing 1st place teams in other
conferences. It seems like that is their approach because nothing else makes sense. Zeke will not be on the roster after this year.

 

[Kingofholland]

I don't think Jerry would deliberately tank at this point for a total rebuild.

 

[Trajan]

Jerruh and the moron son are not football smart enough to pull of this tank. They are arrogant and incompetent a very deadly combo. They truly think they are smarter then every other GM and team and are on the right path……and we get to enjoy it.

 

[Parcells4Life]

It's the only way this offseason makes sense.

He was so embarrassed with our playoff loss that he did ... absolutely nothing to make the team better.

There is also another angle--the Joneses are too busy quelling their many legal issues to fully focus on the football team. Of course, that's what happens when you insist on being owner and playing GM at the same time

They don’t handle the day to day. So their off field issues would have nothing to do with that and would actually be more likely to have a splash in order to provide distraction.

 

[Jake]

It was clear that JJ was upset after the SF loss as he did not immediately give a vote of confidence to MM’s return. He talks up Quinn as a potential HC. The relationship between MM and the FO seems icy and tense now— a far cry from the sleepover pajama days of 2020.

Since the SF loss? JJ trades, restructures, and cuts bloated salary and unwanted players from the roster.

MM is 2 years into a 5 year deal. JJ is paying him whether he is HC or not. Do you bring in a new HC and pay two guys while you adjust your roster and try and solve your cap issues?

Or do you pay the current HC and saddle him with roster reforms that will lead to a justifiable firing after a mediocre year— while at the same time clearing cap and roster issues to set up your next HC in a decent position?

I think the FO is making some course corrections and are allowing McCarthy to “go down with the ship” in order to be in a better position in 2023 with either Quinn or Payton installed as HC.

This is the only strategy that makes any sense— considering the mood and moves made this offseason.

I am not saying I am in support of this strategy— just mulling over the current state of the franchise and the puzzling decisions of the FO. But— if you want out of some bad decisions you have made in terms of contracts, you are going to have to face the music at some point and eat a crap sandwich.

Best to eat those sandwiches in one bite rather than a nibble here or there. Is it possible that this strange offseason is evidence that the FO is allowing this season to tank in order get out from some bad moves and deals with their eyes on 2023?

Calling it a "tank" is giving the Jones boys too much credit, as if this is some sort of long-term strategy.

They have a history of being reactive and making questionable personnel decisions. This is just more of the same.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Are you saying that the Cowboys are tanking and so letting MM hang around for that?

If thats your angle its laughable. The Cowboys are continuing to improve and restructure the roster from past mistakes. Getting rid of the right people when they can and keeping the right players. Cant fault anything they have done so far. Heck even balking on Gregory was probably the right thing to do. Sadly we cant get rid of zeke until after this season. I see 2023 being the year we round out the roster with FA and another year of the draft.

Looks like Joseph may be toast, but at least we found out at the right time. It allows us to possibly fill that hole in the draft and may help stop Jones from doing something dumb this year with our 2nd round pick like he usually does.

He hired MM for 5 years and is paying him millions whether he is HC here or not.

So yah— setting him up to fail so he can be a scapegoat, while simultaneously clearing cap space and adjusting the roster for a run in 2023/24 is not laughable as you say.

Think about it: Fire MM and pay out his contract AND go through a HC search and pay a new guy, only to STILL have to make these cuts and languish in a mediocre season….

OR: pay MM, make the cuts, blame and fire him for under-achieving, THEN hire the new HC who has more cap flex (Zeke will likely be gone next year too) and adjusted roster to make a run in 2023?

We will just have to see what happens this year… I don’t see this team winning more than 9 games this season. Do you?

 

[john van brocklin]

It was clear that JJ was upset after the SF loss as he did not immediately give a vote of confidence to MM’s return. He talks up Quinn as a potential HC. The relationship between MM and the FO seems icy and tense now— a far cry from the sleepover pajama days of 2020.

Since the SF loss? JJ trades, restructures, and cuts bloated salary and unwanted players from the roster.

MM is 2 years into a 5 year deal. JJ is paying him whether he is HC or not. Do you bring in a new HC and pay two guys while you adjust your roster and try and solve your cap issues?

Or do you pay the current HC and saddle him with roster reforms that will lead to a justifiable firing after a mediocre year— while at the same time clearing cap and roster issues to set up your next HC in a decent position?

I think the FO is making some course corrections and are allowing McCarthy to “go down with the ship” in order to be in a better position in 2023 with either Quinn or Payton installed as HC.

This is the only strategy that makes any sense— considering the mood and moves made this offseason.

I am not saying I am in support of this strategy— just mulling over the current state of the franchise and the puzzling decisions of the FO. But— if you want out of some bad decisions you have made in terms of contracts, you are going to have to face the music at some point and eat a crap sandwich.

Best to eat those sandwiches in one bite rather than a nibble here or there. Is it possible that this strange offseason is evidence that the FO is allowing this season to tank in order get out from some bad moves and deals with their eyes on 2023?

Makes as much sense as any other theory.
They will defitnitly have less talent this year than last years team that was one and done.
If we do make the playoffs in a weak NFC Least, we will most likely be one and done again.

 

[darthseinfeld]

It was clear that JJ was upset after the SF loss as he did not immediately give a vote of confidence to MM’s return. He talks up Quinn as a potential HC. The relationship between MM and the FO seems icy and tense now— a far cry from the sleepover pajama days of 2020.

Since the SF loss? JJ trades, restructures, and cuts bloated salary and unwanted players from the roster.

MM is 2 years into a 5 year deal. JJ is paying him whether he is HC or not. Do you bring in a new HC and pay two guys while you adjust your roster and try and solve your cap issues?

Or do you pay the current HC and saddle him with roster reforms that will lead to a justifiable firing after a mediocre year— while at the same time clearing cap and roster issues to set up your next HC in a decent position?

I think the FO is making some course corrections and are allowing McCarthy to “go down with the ship” in order to be in a better position in 2023 with either Quinn or Payton installed as HC.

This is the only strategy that makes any sense— considering the mood and moves made this offseason.

I am not saying I am in support of this strategy— just mulling over the current state of the franchise and the puzzling decisions of the FO. But— if you want out of some bad decisions you have made in terms of contracts, you are going to have to face the music at some point and eat a crap sandwich.

Best to eat those sandwiches in one bite rather than a nibble here or there. Is it possible that this strange offseason is evidence that the FO is allowing this season to tank in order get out from some bad moves and deals with their eyes on 2023?

I think you are giving them too much credit. You seem to have them playing chess, when they seem incapable of even mastering checkers. I think they are just making bad decisions

 

[CouchCoach]

There is a word in that initial post that throws this off for me, the word strategy.

What have you seen from this brain trust that would lead you to believe there is a strategy. Why would they have to have a strategy? They answer to no one and have nothing at risk without a strategy.

I do believe this is a year to year proposition with them and the old man has already admitted to being entertaining and relevant as his objective as that attains the goals. He believes they do not make money by winning but by being relevant because he knows his team will be discussed more than any other two NFL teams combined.

If Payton wants to coach the Cowboys, he doesn't have to set that up, he fired Gailey and he was doing as well as McC.

There seems to be some belief here that he must set McC up for failure in order to hire Payton. I don't know where that comes from, he can for whatever he wants, just has to be willing to pay for it.

I have two thoughts about Payton. He is one of the most overrated HC's in the last 40 years and I have doubts Booger can make him happy. When he last worked for Booger, the HC was in charge and that was the last time.

 

[CyberB0b]

Why would Jerry need to tank to justify getting rid of McCarthy? His body of work thus far is already enough to let him go. If Jerry wants Peyton, it has nothing to do with the Cowboys 2022 season.

 

[McKDaddy]

They truly think they are smarter then every other GM and team and are on the right path

Certainly past experiences supports this statement.

However, like a marriage, when does one or both parties decide they aren't on the right path? It can be a very quick change in point of view or one that plays out over a period of time.
That is what we don't know. If internally the Jones have changed their mind about the current roster foundations and coaching, they could very well be plotting to clear the board for a reset.
Unfortunately, even when they have made the right big picture evaluation in the past, they have failed to execute the rebuild.
IMHO they ONLY chance this organization has IF Jerry realizes he has to isolate himself (& his family) from the football operations. Bring in GM\Coach who does all the talking & has full authority to run the show. Then players, agents & other front offices have to deal with a "new regime". That is the only way I see a true changing of the culture and ways of doing business.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Makes as much sense as any other theory.
They will defitnitly have less talent this year than last years team that was one and done.
If we do make the playoffs in a weak NFC Least, we will most likely be one and done again.

Yep. We can contend for the NFCE again— maybe get in as a 4th seed— and lose immediately.

This would justify firing MM AND allow JJ and SJ to maintain the “WE ArE So ClOsE To a TrIp TeW DaH SeWpUr BoWhl!!” narrative

 

[Hawkeye19]

Why would Jerry need to tank to justify getting rid of McCarthy? His body of work thus far is already enough to let him go. If Jerry wants Peyton, it has nothing to do with the Cowboys 2022 season.

For two reasons:

1. It’s not a good PR/brand image look to can a HC after he double his win total from the year before, goes 12-5, and wins the division for you. JJ will look to save face at all costs

2. He is paying him big money whether he is HC or not. This way— JJ is limiting outgoing expense to his HC while also setting him up to fail which will resolve point 1 after the season.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

It's the only way this offseason makes sense.

He was so embarrassed with our playoff loss that he did ... absolutely nothing to make the team better.

There is also another angle--the Joneses are too busy quelling their many legal issues to fully focus on the football team. Of course, that's what happens when you insist on being owner and playing GM at the same time

I think the obvious answer is they are incompetent (which has been proven beyond a doubt), and also distracted (distancing himself from his daughter, this stupid crypto thing)

 

[BoyzBlaster]

"Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity". If that saying doesn't apply to Jerry and co., I don't know who else it would ever apply to.

 

[CyberB0b]

For two reasons:

1. It’s not a good PR/brand image look to can a HC after he double his win total from the year before, goes 12-5, and wins the division for you. JJ will look to save face at all costs

2. He is paying him big money whether he is HC or not. This way— JJ is limiting outgoing expense to his HC while also setting him up to fail which will resolve point 1 after the season.

I am not sure I buy those. Jerry has egg on his face from just about every HC he has hired except Jimmy and Parcells. Cutting bait with fat Mike early could be easily explained by not wanting to wait around for a decade like they did with Garrett.

If he cuts him tomorrow or a year from tomorrow, it is going to cost him the same. I don't think money has anything to do with it.

 

[75boyz]

For two reasons:

1. It’s not a good PR/brand image look to can a HC after he double his win total from the year before, goes 12-5, and wins the division for you. JJ will look to save face at all costs

2. He is paying him big money whether he is HC or not. This way— JJ is limiting outgoing expense to his HC while also setting him up to fail which will resolve point 1 after the season.

I have scrolled and followed your reasoning/logic of this OP.
My one gorilla in the room factor that has not been mentioned is does this mean Dak gets a 3rd contract for this projected 1 to 2 year re-build or is it a true start from scratch re-build with a new draft pick at QB?
Inquiring minds wanna know, lol.