WR issue around the league

[youngjerryjones]

Deebo would be both our best WR and our best RB.

We wouldn’t even ever use him as a RB, probably would be a CeeDee level disappointment right now.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

We wouldn’t even ever use him as a RB, probably would be a CeeDee level disappointment right now.

True.

The Cowboys would have no idea how to use Deebo.

 

[lk8701]

Cowboys should draft Treylon Burks this year to hedge their bet against a Lamb holdout next offseason.

 

[Chuck 54]

This will implode as we see more and better WRs every year in the draft due to more emphasis on passing in college and HS. This is why I have no problem drafting a WR at 24 if a top guy is there. You can get an effective starting guard in round 2. Wr should be treated like RB. Lock up a rookie for 3-5 years and just keep bringing in new guys rather than pay a huge RB or WR salary unless you have a hall of famer.

 

[Chuck 54]

And …. The guys on rookie contracts should be given extensions, not new contracts. Make them take a contract that improves their pay and helps the team or let them sit out during camp. You fine them every day. They will return when the season arrives. To truly sit out will help them in no way, and even coming back for the first game is likely to hurt their performance and any new contract. Owners need to stop rolling over to guys under contract.

 

[nalam]

Can I just get a million from someone? Sheesh.

I think if you can stick in the NFL for 2-3 years , vet minimum will be over a million, I Think

 

[John813]

The deals are high up there in AAV, but how often do players actually play at those numbers? Sure eventually the deals get large enough where the team has to eat dead cap and no player-if it comes to that, or they negotiate an extension like a handful of QBs do when they get near the end of their 2nd or 3rd contract- to drop the cap hit.

So, the chances of teams having a 40-45mil QB and a 25-30mil WR are first off rare and secondly GMs structure those deals to get a few years of "cheap" cap hits to try to make it work out before a tough decision has to be made.

The cap ceiling is set to blow up with the new TV deals and fans back in the seats. These numbers are stupid high being thrown around but the owners are making a lot more now too. so, the pot gets bigger for everyone and the fans get bent over on ticket and TV pricing.

 

[KJJ]

The Cowboys aren’t about to go after a big name receiver in free agency after trading away Cooper for a fifth round pick. They added one cheap receiver in free agency and they’ll add another in the draft.

 

[NotForLong]

Brown, Samuel and McLaurin are all wanting new deals and planning to not report to camp.

Deebo has said he wants around $25 million per year, maybe more now. I'm sure the others won't be far behind.

Is this going to be the new norm for top WR around the league? Adams and Hill are already around $30 million per. Hopkins and Diggs aren't that far behind.

If Ceedee has a big year, I'm sure he's gonna be going for the same.

Not sure how teams are gonna work around the cap when you could have $60-70 million tied up in QB/WR

Sure glad we traded that easily restructured contract of Coopers for such value and all that cap savings we've used.

Only was to solve all this is to return to the rules of the NFL circa 1990

 

[KJJ]

The Cowboys made it clear when they gave Cooper away for virtually nothing that they’re not going to pay big money for a WR. If Michael Gallup misses the first few games of the regular season and doesn’t return to form when he does come back and CeeDee isn’t as effective as a number one receiver or gets injured, the 2022 season could resemble the disaster we had the first half of the 2018 season before we traded for Amari. The Cowboys are taking a big gamble heading into the 202 to season minus three of their top four receivers from last season if Gallup doesn’t deed miss the first few games. This does bring in the possibility of using our top pick on a WR if the Cowboys are nervous about their WR position.

 

[blueblood70]

Brown, Samuel and McLaurin are all wanting new deals and planning to not report to camp.

Deebo has said he wants around $25 million per year, maybe more now. I'm sure the others won't be far behind.

Is this going to be the new norm for top WR around the league? Adams and Hill are already around $30 million per. Hopkins and Diggs aren't that far behind.

If Ceedee has a big year, I'm sure he's gonna be going for the same.

Not sure how teams are gonna work around the cap when you could have $60-70 million tied up in QB/WR

Sure glad we traded that easily restructured contract of Coopers for such value and all that cap savings we've used.

dont truly care what others make but those wrs at 30 have all had ELITE years and ill welcome a CeeDEE year with 1500 yards and 15tds a dez like run over 2-3 years and he demands to get paid, why not.. what does Coopper kupp make hes the opnly one of those next up AWRS who can demand 28-30 mil i mean first triple crown wr and on SB winning team..

its the way things are.

why sweat contracts as fan?. Not like the cowboys have started this, we got rid of Ac but also paid him. so they are willing but CEEDEE will have to have an explosive year not 3 years like coop had those are very average starter stats, not elite not ridiculous production. If he turns into cooper Kupp pr Adams or hill ill gladly pay him..last payer we had like that was dez his 3 b2b2b years were special and was elite punt returner the first 2 seasons..

 

[blueblood70]

The Cowboys made it clear when they gave Cooper away for virtually nothing that they’re not going to pay big money for a WR. If Michael Gallup misses the first few games of the regular season and doesn’t return to form when he does come back and CeeDee isn’t as effective as a number one receiver or gets injured, the 2022 season could resemble the disaster we had the first half of the 2018 season before we traded for Amari. The Cowboys are taking a big gamble heading into the 202 to season minus three of their top four receivers from last season if Gallup doesn’t deed miss the first few games. This does bring in the possibility of using our top pick on a WR if the Cowboys are nervous about their WR position.

No they didn't they, paid coop 20 mil but cut him when his production and his availability and sometimes he disappears they got tired of it let him go

they pad Dez, they paid Coop, and if Lamb goes off into an elite b2b years they will pay him , not Cooper like numbers those are expected from a starter very average but far from elite production,. they will pay him..now Lamb will have to go off likely b2b years with 1400-1500 yards and 12-15 tds that better then anything coop did and yes they would pay him..

what does Kupp make hes next up..

 

[DandyDon52]

Brown, Samuel and McLaurin are all wanting new deals and planning to not report to camp.

Deebo has said he wants around $25 million per year, maybe more now. I'm sure the others won't be far behind.

Is this going to be the new norm for top WR around the league? Adams and Hill are already around $30 million per. Hopkins and Diggs aren't that far behind.

If Ceedee has a big year, I'm sure he's gonna be going for the same.

Not sure how teams are gonna work around the cap when you could have $60-70 million tied up in QB/WR

Sure glad we traded that easily restructured contract of Coopers for such value and all that cap savings we've used.

When the levee breaks !!!!!!!!!! good led Z song, and it applies to NFL salarys !!!!
Some day one of these clowns will demand 2 billion a year, and million acres of land on the Moon!

 

[DandyDon52]

No they didn't they, paid coop 20 mil but cut him when his production and his availability and sometimes he disappears they got tired of it let him go

they pad Dez, they paid Coop, and if Lamb goes off into an elite b2b years they will pay him , not Cooper like numbers those are expected from a starter very average but far from elite production,. they will pay him..now Lamb will have to go off likely b2b years with 1400-1500 yards and 12-15 tds that better then anything coop did and yes they would pay him..

what does Kupp make hes next up..

jerry will pay lamb big even if he is just avg.

 

[MapleLeaf]

My worry for the Cowboys is to end up in a Roy Williams (Lions) or Joey Galloway (Seahwaks) situation.

Your team is poor, but you are statistically a great WR because there is no one else to throw to or you can pile on stats in garbage time as the only option.

Then your team ends up paying you market rate because you have great accumulated numbers, but they are really not GREAT numbers when you think about the context in how they were acquired.

I always wondered why statisticians don't have a column for stats that are accumulated when the game is either tied or within one score, and the team has a chance to win or lose.

Index the stats based on "pressure time" when things really do matter, and despite what has happened in the game prior plays have to be made to win or lose.

Players who regularly perform in these situations are ones whom I feel should be singled out for additional compensation.

 

[blueblood70]

jerry will pay lamb big even if he is just avg.

no he wont i think he at least realizes hes not a 26-30 guy with copper type number's..Lmab will need Dez like output, elite dez.. he would have simply kept coop...

some of you like to be totally clueless while Jones is stupid narrative,.,

doesn't fly hes shown he will pay some but not all.coop was kneejerk reaction that IF lamb was chosen before that AC deal went down i know Jerry would have offered less and let him walk..

bTW just average like average starter #s just like coop coops production was far from elite just a good solid output for1 and Lamb already met that threshold last season.he wil need to up that considerably to get 26-30 no way jerry pays that..

 

[Flamma]

I do not want to see the Cowboys enter into this sweepstakes. There are more talented players in that WR body type and skillset coming into the league every year than pretty much any other position. The college football world is full of guys who are between 5'10" and 6'3" 185-220 pounds who can run like the wind and catch the ball. Since they all start playing 7 on 7 tournaments when they're 10 years old they are coming into the league better prepared than ever to contribute from day one. Overpaying for a WR is almost as dumb as overpaying for a RB. Unless you know a guy is off the charts "special" and perhaps more importantly, you know your OC is going to use him, it makes no sense to invest heavily in that position.

I agree. Unless we're talking about Randy Moss or Megatron, I don't think I'd pay that much for a WR.

 

[Flamma]

Brown, Samuel and McLaurin are all wanting new deals and planning to not report to camp.

Deebo has said he wants around $25 million per year, maybe more now. I'm sure the others won't be far behind.

Is this going to be the new norm for top WR around the league? Adams and Hill are already around $30 million per. Hopkins and Diggs aren't that far behind.

If Ceedee has a big year, I'm sure he's gonna be going for the same.

Not sure how teams are gonna work around the cap when you could have $60-70 million tied up in QB/WR

Sure glad we traded that easily restructured contract of Coopers for such value and all that cap savings we've used.

Teams always have a choice. Pay the guy or trade the guy. Or let him play out his last year and let him walk.

If your offensive line is shot, or your defense stinks, a WR isn't doing anything for you.

 

[Flamma]

And …. The guys on rookie contracts should be given extensions, not new contracts. Make them take a contract that improves their pay and helps the team or let them sit out during camp. You fine them every day. They will return when the season arrives. To truly sit out will help them in no way, and even coming back for the first game is likely to hurt their performance and any new contract. Owners need to stop rolling over to guys under contract.

Guys on rookie contracts don't get new contracts. They all get extensions unless they played out their final year, like Gallup. But if a WR gets a contract after his 3rd year, he still has to play out his 4th year, and 5th year option before the new one, or extension starts. Rookie contracts cannot be waived.

 

[Flamma]

Cowboys should draft Treylon Burks this year to hedge their bet against a Lamb holdout next offseason.

If we're worried about Lamb holding out next season, we can draft a WR next season. Besides, has any player held out since the new CBA? I'll be interested to see it. They'll lose a boatload of money and the fines can't be waived.