Twitter: Dan Orlovsky's Lists Of QBs You Win Games With And QBs You Win Games Because Of In The NFL

[Cboyfan4ever]

Yeah, the Lions won tons of games because of Matthew Stafford.

Jesus Christ himself couldn’t have won w/ those Detroit teams.

 

[Doomsday101]

If Stafford would throw 41 TDs for the Cowboys and get sent packing in the Wild Card ya'll would brag sooooo much about those stats and try and tell anyone that would listen what a top QB he is.

But, because he doesn't have a star on his helmet he's not that great, just a guy carried by a good team.

Ya'll are hilarious lol

Stop telling me what I would say you don't know me , I think Stafford if a very good QB, would I put him in the elite group? NO frankly if Dak were to help the Cowboys to the SB I would not put him in the elite category. It has nothing to do with the star but you are so ignorant when it comes to discussing football. Winning a SB in a team sport is not what makes a QB elite, Marino was an elite QB he never got a SB god know the man had the talent. Being elite is playing at a top level year in and year out.

 

[gimmesix]

To be fair the Lions won a lot more games with Stafford than they would've without him.

Stafford didn't all of a sudden become a Super Bowl winning caliber QB last year. He was the #1 pick for a reason. He always had the skills. He elevated the Rams just as much as the Rams elevated him.

I know it's easy to discount him because of his lack of success with the Lions, but he lead his team to a Super Bowl victory literally the first time he ever had a Super Bowl caliber roster around him. There's a lot of QBs that waste Super Bowl caliber rosters every year.

There are several QBs who also are wasted on non-Super Bowl-caliber rosters every year. I believe that we've had two, and yes, that includes Prescott. Not saying he was last year because I believe he contributed to our demise with declining play after his injury during the middle of the season, but he has performed at a level good enough to get to/win a Super Bowl with the right team around him. Might have done it in 2016 if the defense could have stopped Rodgers.

As you point out, it took a Super Bowl-caliber roster for Stafford to get one, so why do our fans expect our quarterbacks to be able to do more with less?

 

[Doomsday101]

Do you believe Stafford is better than Dak?

I think they are about the same in terms of talent. Stafford has been in the league 14 years he has a lot more experience than Dak.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The only hugely glaring one for me is Derek Carr. What games is he winning? They hover around .500 or worse every single year. He’s had fewer than 7 losses once his entire career.

Id entertain Cousins or Garoppolo over that guy, and Prescott goes without speaking

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I think they are about the same in terms of talent. Stafford has been in the league 14 years he has a lot more experience than Dak.

This is why me and others have a hard time taking some of ya'll seriously. Nobody would think that outside of this little corner of the internet. This is the only place you can say things like that and not get laughed out of the conversation.

There's too much thinking with the heart instead of the brain around here when it comes to the Cowboys.

I've seen enough of your posts to know that you allow your biases to take over logic more times than not.

You really believe that the #1 overall pick/Super Bowl champion has about the same amount of talent as the 4th round dual-threat QB (that would have never been drafted if not for his legs) has the same amount of talent?

There is no way you'd ever say this if Stafford was a Cowboy and Dak was an Eagle.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

The only hugely glaring one for me is Derek Carr. What games is he winning? They hover around .500 or worse every single year

Would the hover around .400 without Carr though?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Carr got his team in the playoffs despite his top WR going to jail, chaos at the HC position, and incompetence at the ownership and GM levels.

That's a lot to fight through. But he did it. That's impressive.

They basically had the Eagles type season. He made it in on the last Sunday with a 7 loss team that had a lot of talent and he did not exactly have his best season. 23 TDs to 14 picks with a 52 QBR. They won with him

 

[Doomsday101]

This is why me and others have a hard time taking some of ya'll seriously. Nobody would think that outside of this little corner of the internet. This is the only place you can say things like that and not get laughed out of the conversation.

There's too much thinking with the heart instead of the brain around here when it comes to the Cowboys.

I've seen enough of your posts to know that you allow your biases to take over logic more times than not.

You really believe that the #1 overall pick/Super Bowl champion has about the same amount of talent as the 4th round dual-threat QB (that would have never been drafted if not for his legs) has the same amount of talent?

There is no way you'd ever say this if Stafford was a Cowboy and Dak was an Eagle.

You don't know jack about me, I really do not care if you take me seriously or not. Draft pick has nothing to do with it. Brady was a fricken 6th round pick you think he is avg> You think anyone gives damn where he got picked? You are joke. I have a watched many 1st rd pick QB crash and burn in the NFL. Where you get picked means nothing, how you play means a lot.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

the ravens definitely win games because of Lamar

Dude is 37-22 as a starter. That is kinda unbelievable

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

There are several QBs who also are wasted on non-Super Bowl-caliber rosters every year. I believe that we've had two, and yes, that includes Prescott. Not saying he was last year because I believe he contributed to our demise with declining play after his injury during the middle of the season, but he has performed at a level good enough to get to/win a Super Bowl with the right team around him. Might have done it in 2016 if the defense could have stopped Rodgers.

As you point out, it took a Super Bowl-caliber roster for Stafford to get one, so why do our fans expect our quarterbacks to be able to do more with less?

I believe we have had a few Super Bowl caliber rosters since 1996.

2007, 2014, 2016, AND 2021 specifically.

We've just hitched our wagons to undrafted/4th round talent at the most important position on the team.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You don't know jack about me, I really do not care if you take me seriously or not. Draft pick has nothing to do with it. Brady was a fricken 6th round pick you think he is avg> You think anyone gives damn where he got picked? You are joke. I have a watched many 1st rd pick QB crash and burn in the NFL. Where you get picked means nothing, how you play means a lot.

I've read enough of your posts to know that if Stafford was a Cowboy and Dak was an Eagle you'd never say they have about the same amount of talent.

You know it and I know it.

You only see the Star on the helmet.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Would the hover around .400 without Carr though?

Any team is worse without their #1 QB. They absolutely do win with Derek Carr, which is the credentials of group 2.

Are they winning because of him? Do you remember those games where he outdueled Pat Mahomes, or showed up Josh Allen? Matt Stafford did that twice last year to Brady. Rodgers does it to everyone. Carr’s QBR was two points north of league average.

Carr gives them a chance to win if the opponent is roughly of equal talent. That’s not a group 1 QB. The Chargers weren’t as good as Dallas, but you couldn’t tell that with how Herbert was running them

 

[RonnieT24]

Would the hover around .400 without Carr though?

Actually isn't around .400 Carr's career win percentage?

 

[Doomsday101]

I've read enough of your posts to know that if Stafford was a Cowboy and Dak was an Eagle you'd never say they have about the same amount of talent.

You know it and I know it.

If Stafford where a Cowboys I would pull for him just as I do Dak. Would not change my views elite. I think Dallas can win with Dak and I think he is a fine QB but would not put him in the elite category. Elites once again is about producing at a very high level of play year in and year out. I think the league has a lot of good QB but very few who are actually elite

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Actually isn't around .400 Carr's career win percentage?

I said earlier that Carr should have been in that group with Dak.

You get no argument from me except I don't think he's some bum QB like some do.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

This is why me and others have a hard time taking some of ya'll seriously. Nobody would think that outside of this little corner of the internet. This is the only place you can say things like that and not get laughed out of the conversation.

There's too much thinking with the heart instead of the brain around here when it comes to the Cowboys.

I've seen enough of your posts to know that you allow your biases to take over logic more times than not.

You really believe that the #1 overall pick/Super Bowl champion has about the same amount of talent as the 4th round dual-threat QB (that would have never been drafted if not for his legs) has the same amount of talent?

There is no way you'd ever say this if Stafford was a Cowboy and Dak was an Eagle.

I would tend to give...fans...the benefit of doubt. I'm not sure it's good for a fan to run around saying how much better other players are over their own.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

If Stafford where a Cowboys I would pull for him just as I do Dak. Would not change my views elite. I think Dallas can win with Dak and I think he is a fine QB but would not put him in the elite category. Elites once again is about producing at a very high level of play year in and year out. I think the league has a lot of good QB but very few who are actually elite

Pulling for them and being unrealistic about their abilities is different.

I pull for Dak because he's a Cowboy, but I don't pretend he is better than he is because he's a Cowboy.

Who said anything about "Elite"? Dan didn't in his tweets and I didn't either.

I said many times that there are only 3 elite QBs in the NFL right now. Brady, Rodgers, and Mahomes.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If Stafford where a Cowboys I would pull for him just as I do Dak. Would not change my views elite. I think Dallas can win with Dak and I think he is a fine QB but would not put him in the elite category. Elites once again is about producing at a very high level of play year in and year out. I think the league has a lot of good QB but very few who are actually elite

Looks like you beat me to it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Pulling for them and being unrealistic about their abilities is different.

I pull for Dak because he's a Cowboy, but I don't pretend he is better than he is because he's a Cowboy.

Who said anything about "Elite"? Dan didn't in his tweets and I didn't either.

I said many times that there are only 3 elite QBs in the NFL right now. Brady, Rodgers, and Mahomes.

Where have I said Dak is better than he is because he is a Cowboy? I think he is good and I think this team can win with him. I think he has worked and improved over the course of his career, he had an entire off season last year recovering from a devastating injury and came back playing high level ball despite the lack of work. Your hate of Dak blinds you, you are so eager to come here every day slamming Dak. Really you are a clown