Is Kellen Moore the Real Problem on Offense?

[Nexx]

not the problem nor the solution.

 

[erod]

True. But good OCs are able to expose that. He got owned by several DCs because he was very predictable. Reminded me of Kelly who came to NFL and was supposed to revolutionize offenses. Worked one year. With some game tape DCs figured it out and Kelly struggled and now out of the league

Good offenses audible at the line of scrimmage more than half the time. Defensive looks determine what's run ultimately.

We just run what's called from the sideline.

 

[RonnieT24]

Yet you managed to mention Dak didnt you?

Does Zeke get any blame whatsoever in your mind for the 2nd half struggles of the offense?

Can you even you even say it? LOL

I didn't "mention Dak." I responded to another poster's speculation about the role Dak's injury and whatever else played in the demise of the offense. Just as I am now responding to your brain dead trope about Zeke "not getting any blame whatsoever."

What I can say is Zeke was hurt. That severely impacted his effectiveness as a runner. The knee made it take longer for him to find his groove in games and when he did find it he was one hit, one twist or one wrong landing from it flaring up and turning him into a pegleg. That aint rocket surgery. I don't BLAME him for wanting to play rather I applaud it. If he's not playing well it's up to the coaches (ahem Moore) to either bench him or figure out how to get the most out of him given the limitations introduced by the injury. I also don't BLAME Zeke because the coaches didn't trust Pollard to keep Dak upright and were willing to play a guy operating at 65-70% over him most of the snaps. According to some folks he bullied the coaching staff and the training staff into letting him play. Anybody who has ever been on a football team knows that's bunk. Players cannot put themselves into the lineup nor can they call their own number. Other than the QB calling a sneak of course. So no.. I don't put much "blame" on Zeke for the offensive struggles. It's his job to suit up and do his best which he did .. If his best is not good enough it's the coach's job (ahem Moore) to replace him.

 

[AsthmaField]

There was area where Dak struggled during this time and he admitted as much part of the way through the 2nd half of the year. He wasnt being patient enough and simply taking what the defense gave him at times with the underneath stuff. He kept trying to pass deeper into the teeth of the defense because that is what he liked to do. Holding the ball too long. Once he saw it was covered the underneath stuff was done too.

He needed to do more of what Brady does. Off the snap get the ball out quickly and take the 4 yarder completion or 7 yarder and keep the chains moving. A QB has to be very disciplined to do that. Part of that is a Moore issue as well.

But it was nice to see Dak understand this. Hopefully it will make him a better QB coming out this year if the same situation occurs.

I don’t disagree at all. Hopefully they have a game plan for when defenses play him that way.

 

[RonnieT24]

Dakota is the problem on this team. He doesn't have the ability to compete against the decent DCs in the league.

Is this the same "Dakota" who lit up Belichik for like the biggest output his defense had ever given up? I have heard he's a decent DC. But maybe I heard wrong? Asking for a friend.

 

[phildadon86]

Good offenses audible at the line of scrimmage more than half the time. Defensive looks determine what's run ultimately.

We just run what's called from the sideline.

LOL.

There is video evidence of Dak making adjustments and audibling and destroying the coverage the defense lined up in.

Stop making things up already. Jesus even Dan Orlovsky was praising Daks pre snap adjustments last season. And he hates him lol.

 

[DFWJC]

Moore is considered to be a top 1/3 level OC.
Not the best but better than most.

 

[RonnieT24]

I don’t disagree at all. Hopefully they have a game plan for when defenses play him that way.

Dak admitted on multiple occasions last year that he got caught "getting greedy." He's got to fix that mindset if teams are going to keep throwing that 3 shell zone at him. Softheads are claiming it was lack of recognition of the defense on his part. I say poppycock. He recognized it just fine, he just thought he and his guys could beat it if he just bought enough time which is why he stood there holding the ball too long on so many occasions. As dude said, he's gotta take the throws that keep them on schedule and move the chains and wait for the opportunity to take a shot not try to force it.

 

[RonnieT24]

LOL.

There is video evidence of Dak making adjustments and audibling and destroying the coverage the defense lined up in.

Stop making things up already. Jesus even Dan Orlovsky was praising Daks pre snap adjustments last season. And he hates him lol.

Man I didn't even bother to respond to such an obvious troll job.

 

[phildadon86]

Man I didn't even bother to respond to such an obvious troll job.

I think he actually believes what he is saying though. That scares me

 

[charron]

I won't go so far as to say he is the problem but he is not the solution. This offense has basically been the same since Garrett took over as oc regardless of who called plays. Lots of talent, looks good on paper, falls short in the playoffs if we even make it that far. They have basically been a top 10 offensive unit for almost all of Romo's starting career and all of Daks regardless of who called plays. Moore has been better than Linehan but the kid has had a ton of talent to work with especially in zekes early years when he was destroying defenses by himself.

 

[erod]

LOL.

There is video evidence of Dak making adjustments and audibling and destroying the coverage the defense lined up in.

Stop making things up already. Jesus even Dan Orlovsky was praising Daks pre snap adjustments last season. And he hates him lol.

No, he doesn't. I'm not talking about changing a one pass route. I'm talking about adjusting protection schemes, changing to entirely different plays that he's dictating from the pocket, and changing routes all at the line.

Dak basically calls to run instead of pass or vice versa, or he changes one route. That's high school crap.

You really need to learn this game.

 

[phildadon86]

No, he doesn't. I'm not talking about changing a one pass route. I'm talking about adjusting protection schemes, changing to entirely different plays that he's dictating from the pocket, and changing routes all at the line.

Dak basically calls to run instead of pass or vice versa, or he changes one route. That's high school crap.

You really need to learn this game.

LOL. My God you are obtuse. Should I post video of Dak changing the entire play at the line including OL adjustments? There are plenty of them.

 

[Thomas82]

Yes, yes, yes, and.......YES!!

 

[phildadon86]

No, he doesn't. I'm not talking about changing a one pass route. I'm talking about adjusting protection schemes, changing to entirely different plays that he's dictating from the pocket, and changing routes all at the line.

Dak basically calls to run instead of pass or vice versa, or he changes one route. That's high school crap.

You really need to learn this game.

There was literally a post on this board 2 days ago of him in the first Giants game doing everything you just said he doesnt do and throwing a dime to Lamb for a touchdown from the Giants 40. Just stop already. If you are gonna bash the guy. At least make it believable

 

[TexasBacon]

I genuinely don't understand how Moore always starts off the seasons with this diverse offense that has tons of pre-snap motion, creative formations, etc., and then by the end of the season when it matters it looks like the old, predictable, Scott Linehan crap that's just a generic and vanilla offense. Makes no sense to me.

 

[phildadon86]

I genuinely don't understand how Moore always starts off the seasons with this diverse offense that has tons of pre-snap motion, creative formations, etc., and then by the end of the season when it matters it looks like the old, predictable, Scott Linehan crap that's just a generic and vanilla offense. Makes no sense to me.

I was always wondering why the pre snap motion stopped...2 years in a row now.

 

[birdwells1]

No, the real problem last year wasn't the offense.

Moore may have struggled some in the playoffs, but he's the most talented OC we've had in a long time.

Who was better?



Actually, not true.

We beat the snot out of teams who blitzed. We were figured out as the season went on. When teams stopped blitzing, we lost.

At least know what you're talking about if you're going to diss on Moore.

I guess you never read couch coaches post. It's the exact opposite of what you're saying. We started struggling when teams stopped blitzing us.

Did the Broncos Reveal the Blueprint to Stopping the Cowboys' Offense? - D Magazine

You're right not only did they stop blitzing, they would show 8 men in the box and man coverage presnap and right before the snap they drop the safety back after Dak has changed the play.

 

[birdwells1]

Moore is limited by the players who run the plays he calls.

He can't read the defense faster and throw the ball accurately for Dak. He can't pick up the blitz for Pollard. He can't run the read routes for the receivers.

Play calling is wildly overrated.

You can call the same play for 5 different teams in the same situation, and get 5 different results.

It's always about execution first and foremost.

This means that there are no bad coaches just bad players.

 

[RonnieT24]

No, he doesn't. I'm not talking about changing a one pass route. I'm talking about adjusting protection schemes, changing to entirely different plays that he's dictating from the pocket, and changing routes all at the line.

Dak basically calls to run instead of pass or vice versa, or he changes one route. That's high school crap.

You really need to learn this game.

How is that you know so much about what all the Cowboys signals mean? Did you used to coach for them? You steal a playbook? Know their hand signals? All that?