Zeke's most alarming stat the last few years - Is it over?

basel90

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Zeke ate, partied, and Cabo'd his way out of the HoF. He was that good. Yet that great rookie year is a long ways away. Personally I think he is finished as a featured back. He would not hold up. If Dallas used him like Barber as a 2H closer he could revitalize his career some. Moore is too dumb for that.
probably dak pushed to have zeke get more touches and be renewed etc. same all BS as they are buddies. if you notice dak tries to get zeke the ball or throw him the ball so often, despite the lack of productivity
 

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probably dak pushed to have zeke get more touches and be renewed etc. same all BS as they are buddies. if you notice dak tries to get zeke the ball or throw him the ball so often, despite the lack of productivity

So we blame Zeke's decline on Dak too? Is there anything in Dallas that is not Dak's fault?
 

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I still like Zeke as a rb just not a highly paid one. He doesn’t have the ability to get those extra yards by making defenders miss or by powering through tackles. Almost seems he has become so focused on initiating the contact that he’s forgotten the art of escaping defenders. His cap hit hurts but he’s still a good overall rb who has been (contrary to what some think) a good locker room guy.
 

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No one KNEW he'd break own this quick, Erasmo.
And no one without a DeLorean would do this again.
Bloke, check for exhaust fumes in your hut or car.

He's not broken down for good. Injured. And like the OP pointed out, he played injured. I'll bet Zeke gets over 1,250 yards this year barring injuries.

Dog has a lot of fight in him, too. Probably couldn't take you one-on-one, but he still has a good amount of fight for an old fart.
 

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He's not broken down for good. Injured. And like the OP pointed out, he played injured. I'll bet Zeke gets over 1,250 yards this year barring injuries.

Dog has a lot of fight in him, too. Probably couldn't take you one-on-one, but he still has a good amount of fight for an old fart.

Ya he doesn’t get enough credit for playing last year basically on one leg. A lot of backs would have packed it in for the season but Zeke toughed it out.
 

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So we blame Zeke's decline on Dak too? Is there anything in Dallas that is not Dak's fault?
the QB touches the ball on every offensive play. I just have the feeling dak wants to help his struggling buddy sometimes , and help himself by his frequent check downs etc. in order to chase completion stats. It has derailed so many drives .
 

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I'm not even sure why this is surprising. He's a 26 year old QB who has had a ton of carries since college. His body is closer to 30 than a lot of other RBs in the league around his age.

it's the nature of the position. I'll never understand why people latched onto Zeke the way they did and are in absolute denial about his decline. It is what it is.
 

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chaps

With me crystal bowl and hindsight I would not.
What is your problem?
What is your beef?
Do you need another hug?

You said it was a good pick. If you wouldnt do it again, then it wasnt a good pick.

Looking back, it was the wrong pick. And especially considering we passed on Ramsey, that should be even more obvious.
 

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He's not broken down for good. Injured. And like the OP pointed out, he played injured. I'll bet Zeke gets over 1,250 yards this year barring injuries.

Dog has a lot of fight in him, too. Probably couldn't take you one-on-one, but he still has a good amount of fight for an old fart.

Zeke played injured?
Is that via Zeke's stupidity or legal actionability against the Cowboys for making an injured player play?

Or is it the Serena/Tiger method, by which if one of them plays lousy, they will blame it on injury?
If they win, they say they are all heart and skilled.

IF YOU ARE HURT, DON'T PLAY!
IF YOU ARE LOUSY OR OVER THE HILL, ADMIT IT AND DO NOT MINIMIZE YOUR OPPONENTS!

Again, you miff and displeased me.
 

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You said it was a good pick. If you wouldnt do it again, then it wasnt a good pick.

Looking back, it was the wrong pick. And especially considering we passed on Ramsey, that should be even more obvious.

It was a good pick going on WHAT WAS KNOWN ABOUT HIS SKILLS AT THE TIME!

DID YOU KNOW HE'D BREAK DOWN?
Why did you not get on your goat and raise the alarm?
 

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Maybe Zeke never was that guy with breakaway speed? His rookie year was the best offensive line he'll ever play with, and he managed a 60 yard but it went back to earth pretty fast.
Exactly what's going to happen to big head, Micah Parsons. Count on it!
As long as Zeke can keep #4 standing to make a play, he's not finished.
He may not be finished, but he's certainly finished in Dallas come 2023. Elliott's going elsewhere to keep a quarterback standing lol.
 

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For those that don't have ESPN+ and can't see more of the details on their coach/GM/player rankings of running backs, there were 6 RBs picked #1 overall. Derrick Henry had the most and highest votes so he was picked #1 overall. And Zeke was in the "Honorable Mention" category which means he received some Top 10 votes, but not enough to break the Top 10.

A big comment by the voters was that he lost his breakaway speed. For those of us watching the games, this has been apparent. Some blame the blocking.

But here are the longest runs in NFL year-by-year for every season they played for the 6 RBs picked as #1

Derrick Henry 22, 75, 99, 74, 94, 76 (Wow! Talk about dominance his entire career thus far)
Jonathan Taylor 62, 83
Nick Chubb 92, 88, 59, 70
Dalvin Cook 33, 70, 75, 70, 66
Alvin Kamara 74, 49, 40, 49, 30 (Ok, starting to get back to regular human here)
Joe Mixon 25, 51, 41, 34, 32

Zeke?

60, 30, 41, 33, 31, 47

Pollard?

44, 42, 58

Maybe Zeke never was that guy with breakaway speed? His rookie year was the best offensive line he'll ever play with, and he managed a 60 yard but it went back to earth pretty fast.

How about yards/attempt? Pretty similar line. Zeke compares with the guys ranked after the top 4, but still loses out to Pollard.

Derrick Henry 4.5, 4.2, 4.9, 5.1, 5.4, 4.3
Jonathan Taylor 5.0, 5.5
Nick Chubb 5.2, 5.0, 5.6, 5.5
Dalvin Cook 4.8, 4.6, 4.5, 5.0, 4.7
Alvin Kamara 6.1, 4.6, 4.7, 5.0, 3.7
Joe Mixon 3.5, 4.9, 4.1, 3.6, 4.1

Zeke?

5.1, 4.1, 4.7, 4.5, 4.0, 4.2

Pollard

5.3, 4.3, 5.5

So the number missing here is attempts. Can Pollard put up those numbers full-time? Doubtful. Zeke has been the workhorse of our team every year, while can't say the same about everyone on that top 1 list. Some of those guys did not average 300 attempts/year like Zeke, or couldn't play 16 games through everything. You also don't hear it on blocking and Zeke always has his boy Dak's back. This is why you hear it from guys like Aikman - love his heart, love his will -- Zeke will play through anything and is a workhorse, but unfortunately, you don't win points for that, and why we should at least try to give Pollard a shot to have more carries vs Zeke. You also don't win points for playing hurt. It does help you though win the total rushing yards title in a season.

But I guess I'm trying to say, not everything is black & white. Is Zeke that same superstar in his earliest years? No. Especially with him not able to consistently be the workhorse. But he's still one of the better RBs in the league all things considered. The things that get Zeke is he's being paid more than anyone on that list. That I can't argue with, nor can I argue with the fact that none of those guys didn't cost as high a draft pick. None of those #1 votes above was drafted in the first round!

I tried looking around for guys that came out of nowhere after 6 seasons and started leading the league again in stats. Even Emmitt after 6 years never put in one of those stat heavy years again, but he did maintain consistency and was that freak iron horse we all love. Bettis rebounded after 3 years. Even John Riggins in his rebirth with the Skins still put up numbers similar to Zeke's current numbers. Adrian Peterson had a great year at age 30 after all those injuries. But it is tough to find RBs that came back after six seasons.

So yes, probably Zeke's last year unless he takes a sizeable pay cut to stay in Dallas. And yes, we'll find someone who can still put up numbers if we draft right. Appreciate all Zeke did, and I hope he proves everyone wrong, because he is one of my favorite players because of all the intangibles I mentioned - plays hurt, blocks, team player - but won't be surprised to see him in another uniform next year if he doesn't have a miraculous comeback this year which looks unlikely.

Zeke is done. Jerry caved and gave him a large contract and he can't get rid of him

Zeke should be gone next year
 

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It was a good pick going on WHAT WAS KNOWN ABOUT HIS SKILLS AT THE TIME!

DID YOU KNOW HE'D BREAK DOWN?
Why did you not get on your goat and raise the alarm?

You cant be this dense?

Who cares about "what you knew at the time"?

Which is a bunch of BS anyway because EVERYONE knows that most running backs start to take a nose dive around year 5.

It was a stupid pick then and it was a woefully stupid pick now.

LOOKING BACK AT THE PICK IT WAS STUPID!!!!!
 

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You said it was a good pick. If you wouldnt do it again, then it wasnt a good pick.

Looking back, it was the wrong pick. And especially considering we passed on Ramsey, that should be even more obvious.
It was the wrong pick but just think about it this way without Zeke Dak would most likely not have lasted the year. You have 3 years of Zeke carrying Dak and some wonder why he broke down.
 

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You cant be this dense?

Who cares about "what you knew at the time"?

Which is a bunch of BS anyway because EVERYONE knows that most running backs start to take a nose dive around year 5.

It was a stupid pick then and it was a woefully stupid pick now.

LOOKING BACK AT THE PICK IT WAS STUPID!!!!!
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