News: Zeke's swan song season

[RonnieT24]

You are so delusional its almost comical Turpin would be way in front.

Zeke is either in the high 4.5's or 4.6's. The other problem with Zeke is he lacks quickness in his cuts. He does a poor job of making people miss. doesnt have the moves. Doesnt have the speed to beat the LB or safety to the edge.

The bigger issue is that teams know this now and they stack the box knowing all he can really do is run up the middle. So now the ONE things he can do well running the ball is even harder than it was before. Unless the Oline is blowing open gaping holes in the middle, Zeke has nowhere to run. And since he doenst break a lot of tackles, he is limited again. And if he does happen to break a tackles he quickly gets caught from behind.

You can argue with me but you cannot argue with physics..

Zeke's top speed in pads in the 4th quarter of the Carolina game on what I believe was his 20th carry, was 20.66 mph which is 30.3 feet per second. Turpin hit 20.95 or 30.7 feet per second on his kickoff return. That means that at top speed they would be separated by .59 feet per second. For the math impaired that's about 7 inches.. So if they ran side by side for 5 seconds Turpin would be around 35 inches ahead.. As in less than a yard. Again getting back to the math.. Zeke is a longer strider and thus likely able to maintain his top end longer than the shorter strider Turpin. I willingly admit that Turpin was faster after 10-15 snaps in a game than Zeke was after 45-50.. complete with a couple dozen violent collisions with people 100 pounds heavier than he. I will also counter that a fresh Zeke is most likely faster than the 20.66 mph displayed on that run. In that context Zeke hitting the speed he did is actually a little more impressive than Turpin going coast to coast untouched. If I'm not mistaken Zeke also hit 20.8 mph on a catch and run last season as well. I remember being surprised because I think it was after the knee injury and was a good deal shorter than the long one against Carolina. But that's the thing about an injury like that.. It's fine.. until it's not. Land on it wrong, get hit on it, or just take a wrong step and it locks up. Still I will post that one if I can find it.. But my point stands. At the top end there is not near as much difference between the two. No amount of made up analysis by you or anyone else will change that.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

because you’re still trying to sell the 300 carry superstar bell cow RB and it’s a problem. And it will continue to be a problem at a position that shouldn’t be overpaid. Specially for a guy with no home run ability. Good RB? Yes but way overvalued as long as he’s on the roster. He could have a role and be good, but that’s not what’s being sold here and that simply won’t change!

So DO tell us...what YOU *think* is "being sold".

He makes a lot of money?

You have it in your head he has to BEAT 2016 zeke year after year. That is eft up ...nobody can do that year after year.

He is a good rb that has helped the oline protect Dak play after play, year after year...even when injured.

You: "Any old fullback or light rookie rb can do that".

Um...maybe but none HAVE. Not since Emmitt or Moose. Murray did okay but we had a VERY good o-line for HIM. He didnt; have to spend every other play blocking with the o-line.

You guys kill me. You act like you know football because the money. Buffons and morons...with all DUE respect.

This money thing...or whatever you think is being "sold"...is just an excuse. You think it makes you look SO in the know and expert. Okay...fine...if that;s what makes you feel better....by all means....carry on. Hate your team...I don't really care. Just pointing out the flaws.

 

[ESisback]

1000 yards is a joke over 17 games when you are given 230 carries. Its not how many carries you get, its what you do with the ones you are given.

Heck Derek Henry have 937 yards rushing in 7.5 games before he got injured and that was with EVERY defense keying on him and the run game with an average passing game and Oline in front of you. And honestly, that was a down year for Henry only averaging 4.3 ypc.

Ok, but Elliott and Pollard are who we have, so why waste time crying about it? We’ll get 1200+ out of Zeke this year, and another 800-1000 out of Pollard. In 2023, Dallas will offer a team friendly restructure.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You can argue with me but you cannot argue with physics..

Zeke's top speed in pads in the 4th quarter of the Carolina game on what I believe was his 20th carry, was 20.66 mph which is 30.3 feet per second. Turpin hit 20.95 or 30.7 feet per second on his kickoff return. That means that at top speed they would be separated by .59 feet per second. For the math impaired that's about 7 inches.. So if they ran side by side for 5 seconds Turpin would be around 35 inches ahead.. As in less than a yard. Again getting back to the math.. Zeke is a longer strider and thus likely able to maintain his top end longer than the shorter strider Turpin. I willingly admit that Turpin was faster after 10-15 snaps in a game than Zeke was after 45-50.. complete with a couple dozen violent collisions with people 100 pounds heavier than he. I will also counter that a fresh Zeke is most likely faster than the 20.66 mph displayed on that run. In that context Zeke hitting the speed he did is actually a little more impressive than Turpin going coast to coast untouched. If I'm not mistaken Zeke also hit 20.8 mph on a catch and run last season as well. I remember being surprised because I think it was after the knee injury and was a good deal shorter than the long one against Carolina. But that's the thing about an injury like that.. It's fine.. until it's not. Land on it wrong, get hit on it, or just take a wrong step and it locks up. Still I will post that one if I can find it.. But my point stands. At the top end there is not near as much difference between the two. No amount of made up analysis by you or anyone else will change that.

Not sure why you bother with Roy. There's no fact you can say with that kind of guy.

It's not about facts. Predicting or accepting zeke's demise ...his impeding our super bowl run all by himself....has become a cool kids club badge of honor. People think saying this makes them look oh so very elegant and educated.

They should be rooting for his success so the money matches his performance. ALL ABOUT THE MONEY...right? Nope...just an excuse to LOOK cool. You;d think these...er...guys GM their own NFL team.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Ok, but Elliott and Pollard are who we have, so why waste time crying about it? We’ll get 1200+ out of Zeke this year, and another 800-1000 out of Pollard. In 2023, Dallas will offer a team friendly restructure.

We should feel LUCKY to have both Tony and Zeke., They SHOULD be thunder and lightening duo....FEARSOME.

But our team and coaches...don't know how to manage them. People that THINK they know so much about football blame zeke.

When we talk about other flaws or Dak....they go apeship about how Moore sucks, O-line dysfunctional, MM doesn;t get involved. This cowboyroy dude has said it.

But with Zeke he sucks. roy says it.

These people can;t see the dysfunction of their view.

We are lucky to have both. If only Moore and the team could manage them. Committ to a fearsome running game. We'd rather have the NCAA Mountain West passing stats instead of NFC East run game.

 

[DuncanIso]

Last season here for a way overpriced running back.

https://heavy.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/rumors-ezekiel-zeke-elliott-cut-2023/

Zeke hyperextended his knee last year and tore his PCL.

he gutted out 1200 APY and 12 TDS.

#haters

 

[Big_D]

So DO tell us...what YOU *think* is "being sold".

He makes a lot of money?

You have it in your head he has to BEAT 2016 zeke year after year. That is eft up ...nobody can do that year after year.

He is a good rb that has helped the oline protect Dak play after play, year after year...even when injured.

You: "Any old fullback or light rookie rb can do that".

Um...maybe but none HAVE. Not since Emmitt or Moose. Murray did okay but we had a VERY good o-line for HIM. He didnt; have to spend every other play blocking with the o-line.

You guys kill me. You act like you know football because the money. Buffons and morons...with all DUE respect.

This money thing...or whatever you think is being "sold"...is just an excuse. You think it makes you look SO in the know and expert. Okay...fine...if that;s what makes you feel better....by all means....carry on. Hate your team...I don't really care. Just pointing out the flaws.

I already told you what’s being sold. Maybe reading comprehension isn’t your thing?

 

[erod]

Zeke hyperextended his knee last year and tore his PCL.

he gutted out 1200 APY and 12 TDS.

#haters

He's averaged fewer yards per game every year he's played.

And he only had 1002 yards last year, which is only 58 a game.

 

[erod]

So DO tell us...what YOU *think* is "being sold".

He makes a lot of money?

You have it in your head he has to BEAT 2016 zeke year after year. That is eft up ...nobody can do that year after year.

He is a good rb that has helped the oline protect Dak play after play, year after year...even when injured.

You: "Any old fullback or light rookie rb can do that".

Um...maybe but none HAVE. Not since Emmitt or Moose. Murray did okay but we had a VERY good o-line for HIM. He didnt; have to spend every other play blocking with the o-line.

You guys kill me. You act like you know football because the money. Buffons and morons...with all DUE respect.

This money thing...or whatever you think is being "sold"...is just an excuse. You think it makes you look SO in the know and expert. Okay...fine...if that;s what makes you feel better....by all means....carry on. Hate your team...I don't really care. Just pointing out the flaws.

Chubb, Gore, Peterson, Lynch, Taylor, etc.

Zeke has declined every year he's played.

Your points are ridiculous.

 

[Big_D]

We should feel LUCKY to have both Tony and Zeke., They SHOULD be thunder and lightening duo....FEARSOME.

But our team and coaches...don't know how to manage them. People that THINK they know so much about football blame zeke.

When we talk about other flaws or Dak....they go apeship about how Moore sucks, O-line dysfunctional, MM doesn;t get involved. This cowboyroy dude has said it.

But with Zeke he sucks. roy says it.

These people can;t see the dysfunction of their view.

We are lucky to have both. If only Moore and the team could manage them. Committ to a fearsome running game. We'd rather have the NCAA Mountain West passing stats instead of NFC East run game.

Why should we feel lucky to have Tony. His workload is minimal.. why is that? They won’t manage them differently because of the contract and the idea that they still have a bell cow RB. That’s exactly what’s being sold. Final year of Pollards contract and they’ll waste the opportunity.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Why should we feel lucky to have Tony. His workload is minimal.. why is that? They won’t manage them differently because of the contract and the idea that they still have a bell cow RB. That’s exactly what’s being sold. Final year of Pollards contract and they’ll waste the opportunity.

Do you not understand what YOU say?

If they are wastint tony...don't you think think they are wasting zeke?

Look dude...TRY as much as you can to forget about the money, CAN you do that?

So lets look at how they manage the running backs. They MAKE zeke raise his hand to have substitutions? And people like you BLAME zeke for that?

Why wouldn't they design a run game to take advantage of both skills? Instead...zeke has to take himself out and the defense knows Tony is in. GEE...we REALLY surprised them!

This is NOT about the "contract". This is about our Dallas Cowboys that REFUSE to to design a 2016 running game. Mkay? It's pretty easy....unless you are FILLED with HATE stuffed down your throat you accept.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Why should we feel lucky to have Tony. His workload is minimal.. why is that? They won’t manage them differently because of the contract and the idea that they still have a bell cow RB. That’s exactly what’s being sold. Final year of Pollards contract and they’ll waste the opportunity.

Should we not be able to game plan an effective running game?

Why do you think it's about a contract? Oh wait....our coaches said JERRY said no other RBs can run?

That is a STUPID HATING opinion.

If we wasted Tony..then we waste Zeke...and dak..and noah, and Amari. And Gallup.

You can't get around this. If they waste tony then they probably wasted everyone. If they lie once they lie all the time. You just can't choose which LIE you buy. Well you can!.... but you can;t sell it to the rest of of us.

 

[Big_D]

Do you not understand what YOU say?

If they are wastint tony...don't you think think they are wasting zeke?

Look dude...TRY as much as you can to forget about the money, CAN you do that?

So lets look at how they manage the running backs. They MAKE zeke raise his hand to have substitutions? And people like you BLAME zeke for that?

Why wouldn't they design a run game to take advantage of both skills? Instead...zeke has to take himself out and the defense knows Tony is in. GEE...we REALLY surprised them!

This is NOT about the "contract". This is about our Dallas Cowboys that REFUSE to to design a 2016 running game. Mkay? It's pretty easy....unless you are FILLED with HATE stuffed down your throat you accept.

wasting zeke??? What’s funny is you want to fix the Oline and “manage the RBs differently and then pretend zekes bloated contract isn’t part of the problem or the decision process They will not manage the RBs differently for that exact reason. Your take is ridiculous.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

wasting zeke??? What’s funny is you want to fix the Oline and “manage the RBs differently and then pretend zekes bloated contract isn’t part of the problem or the decision process They will not manage the RBs differently for that exact reason. Your take is ridiculous.

Zeke contract is NOT "part of the problem". You make that up in your head to justify hating zeke cause that is what you THINK is the cool ...in the know thing to do.

Zke blocks with the oline..protecting Dak. He runs up the middle like a good run game needs to do and we don;t really ask Pollard to do that very mush. ., He can catch our of the backfield...if you watch Dak highlights...you SHOULD be able to see that,.

Hey look...you can be a little ***** about zeke. I get it. He make's too much money and he never does a single thing for us. You know football its cool. Cheer on our cowboys bro. You got this.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Chubb, Gore, Peterson, Lynch, Taylor, etc.

Zeke has declined every year he's played.

Your points are ridiculous.

And the guys you listed haven't. "chub" indeed. Choke on it.

 

[RonnieT24]

You can argue with me but you cannot argue with physics..

Zeke's top speed in pads in the 4th quarter of the Carolina game on what I believe was his 20th carry, was 20.66 mph which is 30.3 feet per second. Turpin hit 20.95 or 30.7 feet per second on his kickoff return. That means that at top speed they would be separated by .59 feet per second. For the math impaired that's about 7 inches.. So if they ran side by side for 5 seconds Turpin would be around 35 inches ahead.. As in less than a yard. Again getting back to the math.. Zeke is a longer strider and thus likely able to maintain his top end longer than the shorter strider Turpin. I willingly admit that Turpin was faster after 10-15 snaps in a game than Zeke was after 45-50.. complete with a couple dozen violent collisions with people 100 pounds heavier than he. I will also counter that a fresh Zeke is most likely faster than the 20.66 mph displayed on that run. In that context Zeke hitting the speed he did is actually a little more impressive than Turpin going coast to coast untouched. If I'm not mistaken Zeke also hit 20.8 mph on a catch and run last season as well. I remember being surprised because I think it was after the knee injury and was a good deal shorter than the long one against Carolina. But that's the thing about an injury like that.. It's fine.. until it's not. Land on it wrong, get hit on it, or just take a wrong step and it locks up. Still I will post that one if I can find it.. But my point stands. At the top end there is not near as much difference between the two. No amount of made up analysis by you or anyone else will change that.

I just noticed my math error above.. I mixed up the fractions between the MPH and FPS.. Old eyes playing tricks on me. The difference in feet per second is .4 not .59. Meaning a difference of about 5 inches not 7.. which translates to 25 inches after 5 seconds not 35. So at top speed Turpin would be gaining 5 inches every second they ran.. That's just sprinting.. At that speed they would cover 100 yards in around 10 seconds.. meaning if both could run full speed for 100 yards (which by the way no one can do) Turpin would be 50 inches ahead of Zeke .. About 4 feet.. a half a step beyond one yard. But the taller man would typically be able to maintain top speed longer than the shorter guy so Zeke would likely be able to leg it out at top speed maybe a second longer.. So while Turpin might open a huge game getting to the 40-50 yard mark.. Zeke would close on him after that. Again.. that's just the way sprinting works.

 

[RonnieT24]

He's averaged fewer yards per game every year he's played.

And he only had 1002 yards last year, which is only 58 a game.

That's because the OC has stopped giving him the ball. Which is his choice.. But I'm not about to blame Zeke for that. He averaged over 4 ypc playing 12 games on one leg. Hell that in and of itself needs to be celebrated. The Cowboys win more when they lean on him. That much is not really open for discussion. The fact that they have chosen not to is their right.. even if they're dead wrong..

 

[Flamma]

Apparently it does. Because a restructure of Elliott at this point is a dumb idea. Because what a restructure does is just take his current cap hits and spread them into future years making it even tougher to cut him down the road. In fact, note that the Cowboys restructured other big contracts this offseason (Lawrence and Martin and Dak) and dumped Cooper and Collins. But the one big contract they didn't touch? Elliott's. Because they know, they can't restructure or they are handcuffing themselves to Elliott for longer than they may want.

Elliott is likely getting cut in 2023 or he's going to have to take a pay cut. A contract restructure would be downright stupid on the part of the Cowboys.

You're right about a restructure. That would be ridiculous. But the most he'll take in a pay cut is around 5M. Bringing his cap hit to around 11M. That's what I would do. Tell them take it or leave it.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Good riddance. I hate to see talented players waste talent. Zeke could have been a HOFer. No doubt. Instead he is a salary cap albatross at 27. It is a shame.

I wish Zeke the very best.
But his time in Dallas is about to end sooner than we think.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Zeke, you deserved a better fate...

This, I fear, will be a frequent refrain this season.