The difference between Dak & Rush was on CeeDee TD catch

[America's Cowboy]

"Dak has reached his ceiling! Dak can't see the separation! Dak can't throw receivers open! Dak can't throw into tight windows! Dak chokes under pressure! Dak is not going to develop!" Etc, etc, etc...



Man...zip it already!

 

[DUO_CORE]

Neither is a QB capable of leading us to the big dance, we will have to get their in spit of them.

 

[Hadenough]

When they showed the play from the pocket you see Rush throw the ball right before CeeDee makes his last cut. Before he was open and there was separation. Actually threw the ball the direction CeeDee was not running yet.

Dak would have held the ball a little longer and threw the ball after the last cut when you could see CeeDee open.

Both would have been a TD cause he was so open but in different situations that timing makes all the difference

Romo was showing replays against Bengals where Rush would throw the ball before the cuts to where the receiver will end up. Its actually pretty impressive with the little amount of playing time. He would only get better with more experience. Dak is at his celling. He isnt getting better. And thats not a cut on Dak because he is pretty good and has more arm strength than Rush. But if Dak isnt doing this by now he never will. Remember 3 or 4 years ago it was about getting Dak friendly players. He needs to see the separation.

This is so true! But don't worry many will poo poo this and keep living in denial about Dak.

 

[USArmyVet]

"Dak has reached his ceiling! Dak can't see the separation! Dak can't throw receivers open! Dak can't throw into tight windows! Dak chokes under pressure! Dak is not going to develop!" Etc, etc, etc...



Man...zip it already!

When you have to use a video montage from almost 3-1/2 years ago, you just may be reaching.

 

[Flamma]

When they showed the play from the pocket you see Rush throw the ball right before CeeDee makes his last cut. Before he was open and there was separation. Actually threw the ball the direction CeeDee was not running yet.

Dak would have held the ball a little longer and threw the ball after the last cut when you could see CeeDee open.

Both would have been a TD cause he was so open but in different situations that timing makes all the difference

Romo was showing replays against Bengals where Rush would throw the ball before the cuts to where the receiver will end up. Its actually pretty impressive with the little amount of playing time. He would only get better with more experience. Dak is at his celling. He isnt getting better. And thats not a cut on Dak because he is pretty good and has more arm strength than Rush. But if Dak isnt doing this by now he never will. Remember 3 or 4 years ago it was about getting Dak friendly players. He needs to see the separation.

If that's the case, then that's alarming. Because for the casual observer, you don't see the WR when the QB throws the ball, unless you get a different angle on a replay.

Someone I watched just recently did a comparison between Tua and Wentz. Tua would more often throw to the WR before the break, Wentz more often did not. It's a talent.

 

[America's Cowboy]

When you have to use a video montage from almost 3-1/2 years ago, you just may be reaching.

No. Just proves you detractors are absolutely wrong to be peddling false accusations.

 

[USArmyVet]

No. Just proves you detractors are absolutely wrong to be peddling false accusations.

So why use video footage from 2016-2019 and ignore video footage post 2019 thru 2022.....as in after Dak started racking up some injuries which impacted his QB play? Just curious.

 

[America's Cowboy]

So why use video footage from 2016-2019 and ignore video footage post 2019 thru 2022.....as in after Dak started racking up some injuries which impacted his QB play? Just curious.

You mean when he led all QBs in stats (and was on a record pace) to start the 2020 season before he got injured...and how he was top 3 in stats last season to start the first half of the season before another injury crept up? Bottom line, Dak is plenty good. The only thing that has slowed him down recently has been 2 injuries. Other than that, you've got nothing to throw negatively at him that will stick.

 

[USArmyVet]

You mean when he led all QBs in stats (and was on a record pace) to start the 2020 season before he got injured...and how he was top 3 in stats last season to start the first half of the season before another injury crept up? Bottom line, Dak is plenty good. The only thing that has slowed him down recently has been 2 injuries. Other than that, you've got nothing to throw negatively at him that will stick.

Well, in 2020 as you referenced his record was 2-3 before going out with an injury and Dallas had an atrocious defense. In those games Dallas racked up point totals of 17, 40, 31, 38, and 37. Also in a few of those games Dallas was losing 20-10 at the half, 30-15 just into the 3rd quarter, and 41-14 to start the 4th quarter wherein Dak wasn't doing much to help the offense.

In 2021 Dak was playing well the first 6 games with a 5-1 record, got an injury in game 6, and proceeded to finish the season (including the playoff loss to SF) 6-5 which seemingly saw either teams replicating the Denver game plan against Dak or Dak was in his head about the injuries which saw an apparent carry over to week 1 of 2022.


While not discounting the injuries, Dak the QB of 2016-2019 certainly is different from Dak the QB in 2020-2022....and those injuries (as well as possibly his mental game) have impacted his physical ability performance on the field.

So while your posted video may have merit, so does the type of QB Dak has been the last 12 games.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Well, in 2020 as you referenced his record was 2-3 before going out with an injury and Dallas had an atrocious defense. In those games Dallas racked up point totals of 17, 40, 31, 38, and 37. Also in a few of those games Dallas was losing 20-10 at the half, 30-15 just into the 3rd quarter, and 41-14 to start the 4th quarter wherein Dak wasn't doing much to help the offense.

In 2021 Dak was playing well the first 6 games with a 5-1 record, got an injury in game 6, and proceeded to finish the season (including the playoff loss to SF) 6-5 which seemingly saw either teams replicating the Denver game plan against Dak or Dak was in his head about the injuries which saw an apparent carry over to week 1 of 2022.


While not discounting the injuries, Dak the QB of 2016-2019 certainly is different from Dak the QB in 2020-2022....and those injuries (as well as possibly his mental game) have impacted his physical ability performance on the field.

So while your posted video may have merit, so does the type of QB Dak has been the last 12 games.

A win or loss record falls more on a team than it does any individual player.

Agreed on how most likely Dak's recent injuries have affected him both physically and psychologically.

 

[USArmyVet]

A win or loss record falls more on a team than it does any individual player.

Agreed on how most likely Dak's recent injuries have affected him both physically and psychologically.

The win/loss thing is an issue that some apply to the QB while others apply to the team.

Regardless, we can agree that something is wrong with Dak in his mechanics and mentality since the injuries began and it will be interesting to see how he comes back from the thumb injury.

While Cooper Rush is a great story and has helped Dallas to 3 straight wins, Dak is a better QB (that hurt to say lol) but I legitimately question if either QB is what Dallas needs to make a Super Bowl run.

What I do know is that this defense is playing very well so far and watching wasted years for 25+ is getting damn old.

 

[conner01]

"they" miss lots of guys, every year, and most of those guys never get a real shot.
Curt Warner is a classic example
If brady has been drafted to a different team or worse gone undrafted, he would have been one of the ones they missed.

They do
It’s not an exact science
But cooper rush is no curt warner

 

[DandyDon52]

They do
It’s not an exact science
But cooper rush is no curt warner

true, but we dont know what cooper is unless we get to see him play a whole season.

Thats why I say it isnt fair , because right now as soon as he loses or has a bad game, people will put him in a category, where
other qb's are allowed to lose , have bad games etc.

 

[conner01]

true, but we dont know what cooper is unless we get to see him play a whole season.

Thats why I say it isnt fair , because right now as soon as he loses or has a bad game, people will put him in a category, where
other qb's are allowed to lose , have bad games etc.

That’s fans
He’s done an amazing job and he’s proven the staff was right to stick with him as backup
But he doesn’t have the talent that Dak does and Dak should and will start when healthy
I do hope we keep cooper around next year. He’s smart, knows the system and has proven he’s a solid backup in this system
What fans say means nothing. The staff has been really impressed with cooper and he’s gonna make some money off this and deservingly so
But no team is gonna see cooper as a starter

 

[Cmac]

This is a very biased take with no basis in reality.

Dak has thrown many many great passes throughout the years.

I was wondering......Is this thread excusing Cee Dee's drops now?

 

[Proof]

It's called being NFL open. A half step or full step of separation "before" the last cut is made. Some QBs throw with the required confidence, anticipation, timing and accuracy required. Some don't.

A former slot receiver for the Cowboys now with Bucs said publicly he was NFL open plenty but did not receive the throws. Thus, he was cut.

now retired* he was not cut, he just wasn’t re-signed. then publicly begged to come back to play with said qb

 

[Qcard]

Dak Haters are imbeciles.

This crap was debunked 2 years ago...

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[Ken]

Dak has thrown a lot more passes that are consistently behind his receivers which forces the receiver to adjust and lose momentum thereby leaving yards on the field. How many times in that Tampa game did we see this where the ball was consistently behind or consistently high, WR's adjust and get dropped immediately, instead hit the receiver in stride it goes for larger gains.

Now no QB is ever going to consistently hit that. But Dak has proven over the last 7 years that he consistently is late and behind in his throws and I doubt that is going to ever change. Oddly enough I recall McNabb being the same way

You do know that they track these passes right?

So your assertion is COMPLETELY wrong.

Dak has consistently been towards the top of the league in on target passes vs off target passes.

Football reference has those numbers if you want to see them.

 

[Ken]

Nope. Three & outs have nothing to do with the outcome of the game. Receivers knowing the ball isn't coming unless they are wide open, meaningless. Receivers not knowing where the ball will be placed if it does come their way. Not being able to complete a simple dump off to keep a drive alive. Etc, etc.

None of that is the QB's fault. He's just along for the ride and he really wishes these other guys would get their act together.

How did he lead the league in tight window throws multiple years if he doesn't throw it unless they are wide open?

My man making Khalidi look knowledgable on football.

 

[Ken]

Dak is an early read QB that stares down his WRs.. can throw on his first reads consistently, but sucks as he works down his progressions, unless he defaults to his checkdown which obfuscates his numbers towards a higher completion percentage. BTW, he did the same thing just this last Tampa game. Doesn’t even look, just throws..


Just heaved it to with his arm on a basic screen, so he underthrew it. Garbage mechanics

Both him and Goff have been top 4 in QBs that dropped in QBR rating going from 1st to 2nd read..

Every qb in the league has made that same mistake throw on a smoke screen. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

It is a quick play. There is no reads chief. Dez missed the block.

Ceedee ran a terrible route or wrong route vs tampa.

Keep making stuff up though.