News: Pollard can't be "the guy."

[cnuball21]

You have to understand these Zeke apologists have nothing they can say. So they stick to their talking points:

-Zeke is a better pass blocker
-Pollard cant handle a full load

Both are side points and carry little weight in the real discussion. Pollard is the much better back and needs to not only begin the game, but get his 15- 20 total touches as a priority. Zeke can spell him until then, do some short yardage and GL stuff and then finish blowouts. Thats the perfect combination.

Zeke has a role, just no longer the lead roll. Pollard has earned it.

It’s so easy and I’ve explained it multiple times and continue to get the same responses over and over…

Wild.

 

[cnuball21]

Howe good were those QB's? AT the time they won super bowls.

What does that have to do with anything? We’re talking about RBs as the poster said “grinding out yards is how you get to the Super Bowl.”

The QBs are completely irrelevant to the post.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It’s so easy and I’ve explained it multiple times and continue to get the same responses over and over…

Wild.

Most of these guys cant admit that they are wrong. Their ego's will get hurt. Small minded types that have insulted all of us that told them 3 years ago that Pollard was better and that Zeke was fading fast.

So they continue to play dumb instead of just admitting they were wrong and moving on.

Seriously....................anyone that still cant see how much better Pollard is is either Mrs Elliott or someone with brain damage.

 

[cnuball21]

Most of these guys cant admit that they are wrong. Their ego's will get hurt. Small minded types that have insulted all of us that told them 3 years ago that Pollard was better and that Zeke was fading fast.

So they continue to play dumb instead of just admitting they were wrong and moving on.

Seriously....................anyone that still cant see how much better Pollard is is either Mrs Elliott or someone with brain damage.

Gotta swallow your pride sometime.

- I thought Tyler would get killed at LT
- I thought we HAD to sign RG
- I thought Tolbert would step in and contribute as a rookie

Wrong on all 3 accounts. The TP vs Zeke argument is so crystal clear…

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

What does that have to do with anything? We’re talking about RBs as the poster said “grinding out yards is how you get to the Super Bowl.”

The QBs are completely irrelevant to the post.

Lol...dude....you referenced teams that won super bowls....allegedly with poor rbs. When i noted those teams had top qbs to lean on...."we aren't talking about that. ".
You are too funny.

 

[kskboys]

Here’s you’re last 3 Super Bowl winners:

- Rams - Akers (below average)
- Bucs - Leo (average at best)
- Chiefs - Williams (below average, not on roster anymore)

These teams didn’t get to the dance and win by grinding it out with their running backs.

Show me the big plays by the RB.

Rams: Sony Michell played the grind out role.
Bucs: Fournette.
Chiefs: Hmmmmmm.....there's one.

Honestly, you really didn't address my point.

Plus, I never made the claim that ALL it takes is a grind out RB. There are many facets to building a super bowl contender, a grind it out RB is simply one of them. Flashy players put fans in the seats, hard nosed players win super bowls.

 

[kskboys]

Why do you guys always make the arguments so lame? I'm ready to move on from Zeke myself, and I think Pollard should get more carries. Who should start? Well, it depends on who the matchups are of who we're playing. Plus, why does it matter at all who is starting? Is the honor of starting thingie what's important? It's like, if I say cheese, you guys argue handkerchiefs.

 

[cnuball21]

Lol...dude....you referenced teams that won super bowls....allegedly with poor rbs. When i noted those teams had top qbs to lean on...."we aren't talking about that. ".
You are too funny.

You clearly didn’t read the original post…

 

[cnuball21]

Show me the big plays by the RB.

Rams: Sony Michell played the grind out role.
Bucs: Fournette.
Chiefs: Hmmmmmm.....there's one.

Honestly, you really didn't address my point.

Plus, I never made the claim that ALL it takes is a grind out RB. There are many facets to building a super bowl contender, a grind it out RB is simply one of them. Flashy players put fans in the seats, hard nosed players win super bowls.

You literally said “Getting to the big dance is more about grinding plays from your RB than about big plays.” I listed the last 3 super bowl champs who’s RBs, grind it out style or not, we’re all mediocre or below average.

And yes, I’m all for Zeke being a piece of the puzzle he just needs to be a smaller piece than Pollard.

 

[Whirlwin]

Most of these guys cant admit that they are wrong. Their ego's will get hurt. Small minded types that have insulted all of us that told them 3 years ago that Pollard was better and that Zeke was fading fast.

So they continue to play dumb instead of just admitting they were wrong and moving on.

Seriously....................anyone that still cant see how much better Pollard is is either Mrs Elliott or someone with brain damage.

Elliot plays a very important rule on this team I didn’t want to draft him in the first place . But for both running backs to have success. They need each other. Elliot definitely helps we’re down the defense. And Pollard definitely takes advantage of it. Anybody who doesn’t see that it works together doesn’t want to

 

[Whirlwin]

You literally said “Getting to the big dance is more about grinding plays from your RB than about big plays.” I listed the last 3 super bowl champs who’s RBs, grind it out style or not, we’re all mediocre or below average.

And yes, I’m all for Zeke being a piece of the puzzle he just needs to be a smaller piece than Pollard.

All I can say is you haven’t been paying attention and how they use each other. you have a sledgehammer, and you have a slasher. Four games without Elliot and Tony Pollard will not be running the same .

 

[cnuball21]

Why do you guys always make the arguments so lame? I'm ready to move on from Zeke myself, and I think Pollard should get more carries. Who should start? Well, it depends on who the matchups are of who we're playing. Plus, why does it matter at all who is starting? Is the honor of starting thingie what's important? It's like, if I say cheese, you guys argue handkerchiefs.

I could care less who starts.

Honestly, I like the idea of Zeke starting and getting more snaps in the 4th as the closer. Just give TP more total touches and I’m happy.

 

[cnuball21]

All I can say is you haven’t been paying attention and how they use each other. you have a sledgehammer, and you have a slasher. Four games without Elliot and Tony Pollard will not be running the same .

Yes, I’ve watched every snap of every game.

It’s a great combo just give TP more touches than Zeke.

 

[Whirlwin]

I could care less who starts.

Honestly, I like the idea of Zeke starting and getting more snaps in the 4th as the closer. Just give TP more total touches and I’m happy.

Who would you rather give the ball to 3rd and short

 

[Whirlwin]

Yes, I’ve watched every snap of every game.

It’s a great combo just give TP more touches than Zeke.

How many more touches. It’s a good balance , I wouldn’t change a thing.

 

[cnuball21]

Who would you rather give the ball to 3rd and short

Zeke.

He’d be a great 3rd down back. Help us get the short yardage and be great in pass pro.

Again just give TP a higher percentage of touches.

 

[cnuball21]

How many more touches. It’s a good balance , I wouldn’t change a thing.

60/40 ish would be a great start.

Doesn’t have to be rocket science…TP is one of our best playmakers and is the better overall runner at this point.

 

[Whirlwin]

60/40 ish would be a great start.

Doesn’t have to be rocket science…TP is one of our best playmakers and is the better overall runner at this point.

Yes the better overall runner. Not the better overall player. That’s the big difference

 

[cnuball21]

Just because you watch the game. Doesn’t mean you understand what you’re watching. Yes everybody loves watching Tony break tackles and running for 60 yards. That usually after Elliot just broke down the defense. The Bears game they were missing two important players on defense. And I’m not taking anything away from Tony.

You just took away from Tony making excuses about the Bears game.

It’s also a false narrative a RB needs the defense to be “broken” before they can make a big play. It’s just not accurate. Henry just busted a 24 yarder at the start of the 2nd in his last game. Didn’t need someone to wear the defense down and he didn’t need 25 carries to do it.

 

[RonnieT24]

The contract was awful even if he wasn’t going to start declining…you just don’t pay RBs big money let alone draft them in the top 5.

Again I agree we need Zeke bc in todays NFL you need 2 backs but I dont think he deserves 20+ carries anymore. He hasn’t conceded big plays to Pollard he just literally can’t make them himself anymore. This isn’t my opinion, it’s on the tape and in every explosive stat out there. TP didn’t need to grind the defense to strike last game - he had a 17 yard rush in the 1st quarter and a 18 yard rush in the 2nd.

And for the millionth time - no one is asking Pollard to be the 20+ carry workhorse. Also, he just came out and said he was joking about being tired.

You don't think that was a result of his agent whispering in his ear about how much money that comment was costing him? As for not paying RBs big money.. I agree if you're not going to use him.. but if the Cowboys would have continued to lean on Zeke for 300+ touches a year he absolutely would have earned his money and frankly IMHO they would have won more. But the contract is water under the bridge. You don't like it.. fine.. I don't care about it.

As for big plays? I guarantee you that if you switch the roles between Zeke and Pollard where you make Pollard the guy who softens up the defense (and the one the DC spends the entire week game planning for) and Zeke the guy who comes in fresh Zeke's big play numbers would go way up and Pollard's would come way down. Pollard was create against the Bears.. wunnerful..

Here are the Bears run defense numbers game by game:

Game 1 - 176 yards to the 49ers
Game 2 - 203 to the Packers
Game 3 - 92 to the Texans
Game 4 - 262 to the Giants
Game 5 - 117 to the Vikings
Game 6 - 128 to the Commanders
Game 7 - 70 to the Pats
Game 8 - 200 to the Cowboys
Game 9 - 77 to the Phish.

6 of 9 opponents have topped 100 yards and 3 of 9 have hit 200.

Pollard and the Cowboys running game did what they were SUPPOSED to do to them.

It does nothing to erase the .75 ypc against Washington or the 1.3 ypc against Tampa.. Or the fact that he averaged over 2 yards per carry LESS than Zeke against the Eagles. I mean if we're going to look at the picture let's not block out the parts we don't wanna see. I like Pollard in the role he's in. I think if he comes in and balls he should be allowed to continue to tote the rock. If comes in and delivers < a yard per carry then he should go back to the bench and let Zeke tenderize the defense a little more. Fine if folks disagree with that take.. I aint changin it.