News: PFT: Michael Irvin's lawyer is "mad" that Marriott refuses to produce surveillance video

[Runwildboys]

The witnesses said a lot more than that.

And I'm sorry, but if the witnesses and the tape indicate that Irvin did nothing wrong, then he's innocent.

I'm not buying the nonsense of, "Well, maybe he said something awful in those 30 seconds and the woman laughed it off at the time, but then she decided later that she was horribly offended!"

"It was a positive, friendly conversation. They had a brief interaction, it was 30, 40 seconds, he kept his distance at all times, stood about a meter away from her, they ended with a handshake and he literally turned around and went to the lift."

We doubled down, asking if there was anything that could've been interpreted as being improper.

"Not at all. Not at all. There was a little bit of laughter. Obviously a jovial conversation. Nothing untoward for me to actually take notice of what was going on."

https://amp.tmz.com/2023/02/10/mich...ells-story-nfl-network-super-bowl-misconduct/

Did they say what was said? The two interviews I saw seemed to indicate that they were going simply by what they saw, and I agree that a professional employee of a hotel would be very capable of not displaying her anger/ disapproval/ insult / etc., in front of the guests, or even in front of the offending person. As someone who deals with customers all day long, there are many times I hold my reaction to something a customer says, because I want to maintain a professional demeanor. I'll report the experience to my boss afterward.

 

[CWR]

That is the one thing I hate about the justice system, it takes freaking forever

For example, the company I work for hired a contractor that was supposed to build a new office building. Well he totally botched the job, the electrical was wired incorrectly and shorted out, the standing seam roof was installed wrong and the building flooded every time it rained, the cement used for the foundation didnt have the correct thickness and started cracking, it was just a total cluster *****.

The company sued the contractor and it took 4 years to get resolved...................just ridiculous how long it takes going to court

HFD is about 5 years into waiting for the citizen voted pay parity with HPD. It was voted and passed 60/40 then the mayor gave his buddies at the police union a back room deal and convinced them to sue HFDs union in order to block the pay raise, saying it's unconstitutional because HFD has collective bargaining. Simultaneously they also have a suit against HFD charging collective bargaining should be dismissed.

It's completely conflicting suits and obvious is you win one you lose the other, yet here we are 5 years later and over a decade without a pay raise, waiting on the Texas Supreme Court. In the meantime the department has eroded and will continue to do so.

Our legal system is trash, and judges are too often simply politicians in robes.

 

[Staubacher]

Mike's innocent of

She doesn't need a motive. Women lie just like men lie. Mike's been falsely accused by a woman before.

Maybe she wanted to feel like a big star was hitting on her (HUGE ego boost), so she took his friendliness to be more than that and thought to herself, "Oh my God, Michael Irvin just hit on me! That was so inappropriate, I think I'll tell on him and then I'll have an amazing story to tell for the rest of my life!"

You're White Knight-ing as if women are never full of **** just for the sake of a boost to their own ego. That's motive enough.

You're getting more and more ridiculous. If Irvin's legal attack on her and Marriott amounts to this horrible logic his case will be laughed out of court.

 

[Nav22]

And you are coming off like an Irvin guy.

Some believe he's innocent and some guilty of something and some are undecided until they get more information. Which I think is going to be slow coming. If ever for anything conclusive.

What we do know is that Marriott believed their employee, whom we know nothing about, and decided to move Irvin. Not call the cops or make a big deal of it, just move him. I am assuming they reported that to the NFLN because they were responsible for the bill.

Everything after that is on Irvin. He outed himself on the radio show, which probably got to NFLN because at that time he was hiding out waiting to see what was happening. Then, he gets sent home and does media interviews until the lawyer shows up.

Where in all of that was the woman or the hotel out to do Irvin any harm? Even his own network wanted to keep a lid on it.

Irvin brought every bit of this on himself. That's why his lawyer is trying to make something out of the Marriott attorneys not being very cooperative. They're hiding something. No, they're just being lawyers.

So if Mike and the woman are the only 2 people who know what was said...

And if the tape and eyewitnesses indicate that nothing untoward happened at all...

Then Mike should be treated as an innocent victim in all of this. Period.

I'm not even thinking about his lawsuit, to be honest. It may very well be laughed out of court.

I'm more concerned with his public image taking a hit because of some potentially bogus claims. That's garbage, and it wouldn't be the first time a woman has damaged his reputation with complete lies.

 

[Staubacher]

She doesn't need a motive. Women lie just like men lie. Mike's been falsely accused by a woman before.

Maybe she wanted to feel like a big star was hitting on her (HUGE ego boost), so she took his friendliness to be more than that and thought to herself, "Oh my God, Michael Irvin just hit on me! That was so inappropriate, I think I'll tell on him and then I'll have an amazing story to tell for the rest of my life!"

You're White Knight-ing as if women are never full of **** just for the sake of a boost to their own ego. That's motive enough.

It's also hilarious that you want "Mike" to be assumed innocent of any misconduct but you're willing to ascribe all these bad motives to "this woman"

Too bad she didn't git us a Super Bowl, huh?

 

[Nav22]

You left this part out:

"As for the specifics of the allegations, virtually nothing is known about what the woman says happened"

There is more to the story than the 30-second video and what these starstruck fellows say they saw.

LOL what?

How do you know that there's "more to the story"?

All we've heard about is their 30-second encounter... nobody's indicated that there was anything more than that.

And yet you state as a matter-of-fact that there IS MORE to the story than that??????

You sure you're not the girl's father or something?

 

[CouchCoach]

Did they say what was said? The two interviews I saw seemed to indicate that they were going simply by what they saw, and I agree that a professional employee of a hotel would be very capable of not displaying her anger/ disapproval/ insult / etc., in front of the guests, or even in front of the offending person. As someone who deals with customers all day long, there are many times I hold my reaction to something a customer says, because I want to maintain a professional demeanor. I'll report the experience to my boss afterward.

Ever watched an airline employee getting reamed out by an angry passenger at the desk? I cannot count the times I saw that and marveled at the self-control they displayed.

One night I saw a man call the agent the c word and when I finally got on the plane I told the attendant that guy should not be allowed on this plane. She just smiled and said "it's being taken care of, sir". I did not see him get on the plane.

Companies that make their living serving the public have their own way of dealing with situations that might get out of hand.

Seems like that was what Marriott was doing with Irvin. Following their protocol outlined in their manual for situations exactly like this. That does not mean the woman was telling the truth but they have little choice but to believe their employee if they feel she's credible.

The saddest part of these threads is how some have called this woman so many derogatory names when they know nothing about her and they do know Irvin's history.

 

[Nav22]

You're getting more and more ridiculous. If Irvin's legal attack on her and Marriott amounts to this horrible logic his case will be laughed out of court.

I don't even care about his lawsuit, to be honest.

I care about what's right and what's wrong. If this woman's lies hurt his reputation, then that's awful.

You're a total White Knight and you should be embarrassed, acting like a woman would NEVER lie about something like this. He's literally been a victim of a woman's fraudulent allegations before.

 

[RoboQB]

That is the one thing I hate about the justice system, it takes freaking forever

For example, the company I work for hired a contractor that was supposed to build a new office building. Well he totally botched the job, the electrical was wired incorrectly and shorted out, the standing seam roof was installed wrong and the building flooded every time it rained, the cement used for the foundation didnt have the correct thickness and started cracking, it was just a total cluster *****.

The company sued the contractor and it took 4 years to get resolved...................just ridiculous how long it takes going to court

It seems the inspection agency should carry some blame here.
Also, the local government permits department.
The contractor's builder's license could be revoked.

 

[CouchCoach]

So if Mike and the woman are the only 2 people who know what was said...

And if the tape and eyewitnesses indicate that nothing untoward happened at all...

Then Mike should be treated as an innocent victim in all of this. Period.

I'm not even thinking about his lawsuit, to be honest. It may very well be laughed out of court.

I'm more concerned with his public image taking a hit because of some potentially bogus claims. That's garbage, and it wouldn't be the first time a woman has damaged his reputation with complete lies.

Sorry, he damaged his reputation himself with his behavior.

There has to be audio to prove anything, the video along will not do it. It is he said/she said and again, he's already said he doesn't remember.

 

[RoboQB]

I don't even care about his lawsuit, to be honest.

I care about what's right and what's wrong. If this woman's lies hurt his reputation, then that's awful.

You're a total White Knight and you should be embarrassed, acting like a woman would NEVER lie about something like this. He's literally been a victim of a woman's fraudulent allegations before.

Long ago, an old man sat me down and said these words.
"Never trust anything that bleeds for days and doesn't die."

Women will lie just for the sake of lying.
If you found a good one, hold on tight.

Who knows, maybe she's innocent. Personally, I think hotel management
epically overreacted.

 

[Nav22]

Ever watched an airline employee getting reamed out by an angry passenger at the desk? I cannot count the times I saw that and marveled at the self-control they displayed.

One night I saw a man call the agent the c word and when I finally got on the plane I told the attendant that guy should not be allowed on this plane. She just smiled and said "it's being taken care of, sir". I did not see him get on the plane.

Companies that make their living serving the public have their own way of dealing with situations that might get out of hand.

Seems like that was what Marriott was doing with Irvin. Following their protocol outlined in their manual for situations exactly like this. That does not mean the woman was telling the truth but they have little choice but to believe their employee if they feel she's credible.

The saddest part of these threads is how some have called this woman so many derogatory names when they know nothing about her and they do know Irvin's history.

Um, what is Irvin's "history"?

Cocaine and hookers. Fighting. Weed.

Did you include the FALSE rape allegation in that history as well?

And does Irvin's criminal past mean that he's more likely to be inappropriate with some female hotel staffer? How so??? Which part of his history would indicate this???

Your White Knighting is actually hilarious.

 

[Nav22]

Sorry, he damaged his reputation himself with his behavior.

There has to be audio to prove anything, the video along will not do it. It is he said/she said and again, he's already said he doesn't remember.

Too bad about those pesky eyewitnesses, huh?

Go ahead and repeat your earlier made-up fact about there being "more to the story."

I absolutely love how you stated that as a FACT.

 

[RoboQB]

Sorry, he damaged his reputation himself with his behavior.

There has to be audio to prove anything, the video along will not do it. It is he said/she said and again, he's already said he doesn't remember.

It is a sad but true statement. Irvin has damaged his reputation to the point that a
mere mention of any wrongdoing will deem him guilty in The Court of Public Opinion.

 

[Vtwin]

Your point about what he is alleged to have done is verbal needs to be repeated and emphasized. It's also important to emphasize that she is an employee of the hotel.

Just because she didn't smack him in the face or start screaming and crying doesn't mean he didn't say anything that warranted him being kicked out. Her first instinct as an employee of the hotel with other guests around would be diffused the situation and report it later. And also as a woman very often they do the same thing because of the stigma harassment carries.

I asked this earlier in the thread and received no answer.

What could he have said that would warrant the reaction? Even if he flat out brazenly propositioned her, then accepted her decline and parted ways with a handshake, is that enough to warrant the reaction?

 

[CouchCoach]

Um, what is Irvin's "history"?

Cocaine and hookers. Fighting. Weed.

Did you include the FALSE rape allegation in that history as well?

And does Irvin's criminal past mean that he's more likely to be inappropriate with some female hotel staffer? How so??? Which part of his history would indicate this???

Your White Knighting is actually hilarious.

I knew some guys at ESPN Radio when he was there and the rumors began to get back to them and one of them was about Irvin involved in a rape but the girl and her family were paid off but ESPN got word of it and told him to hit the bricks.

I asked one of the guys if they thought there was validity to the rumor and was Irvin really capable of that and he just looked at me like I asked a dumb question and said "we're pretty sure we know who paid them off too". They were not sad to see him go.

You can defend him all you want because you are a fan but don't try selling that to me.

What difference does it make to you what I believe? I state my opinions like everyone else and you will never influence me into thinking any different about what kind of person Irvin is. And if he loses this entire case, I do not expect the Irvinoids to change their opinions either.

 

[Staubacher]

I don't even care about his lawsuit, to be honest.

I care about what's right and what's wrong. If this woman's lies hurt his reputation, then that's awful.

You're a total White Knight and you should be embarrassed, acting like a woman would NEVER lie about something like this. He's literally been a victim of a woman's fraudulent allegations before.

Lol you're getting more unhinged by the minute. You're putting words in my mouth "women never lie". Nobody here including myself has said that.

Also no indication she's a gold digging lying slut willing to throw away her career, reputation an every cent she owns to say a celebrity hit on her, as you so ridiculously claimed.

 

[CouchCoach]

It is a sad but true statement. Irvin has damaged his reputation to the point that a
mere mention of any wrongdoing will deem him guilty in The Court of Public Opinion.

Yes, if this story had broken that a NFLN on air personality had done this, how many would guess Irvin?

 

[Staubacher]

Sorry, he damaged his reputation himself with his behavior.

There has to be audio to prove anything, the video along will not do it. It is he said/she said and again, he's already said he doesn't remember.

Imagine the comments here if the female employee said publicly "I'm not sure what happened I had some drinks"

 

[WhizKid]

Um, what is Irvin's "history"?

Cocaine and hookers. Fighting. Weed.

Did you include the FALSE rape allegation in that history as well?

And does Irvin's criminal past mean that he's more likely to be inappropriate with some female hotel staffer? How so??? Which part of his history would indicate this???

Your White Knighting is actually hilarious.

Oh no! WEED!