News: PFT: Judge finds Marriott blatantly violated court order

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Or the video doesn’t support their narrative and therefore they don’t want it made public. Kind of reminds me of another situation with some video that didn’t support a narrative that one group was perpetuating. Like in that case, the truth shall be revealed.
That is possible, but it would be incredibly stupid for a big business like marriot to do such a thing, knowing they could get sued.
But it is still possible.
I know one thing one side or the other is lying.
 

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Quote from Irving ..

Irvin: "It was a one minute meeting somewhere in the lobby. I don’t even really remember because I had a few drinks, to be honest."
I'm just telling you how the human mind works generally speaking. Fact of the matter is even without a few drinks he wouldnt remember anyways.
 

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What world do you live in ?? lol
He is a public figure representing any network he works for, and no network is going to keep someone who would act like that in
a public place. Anyone doing his job would have to avoid any bad press or public incidents.
If it is true , he has only himself to blame.
If what is true? He clearly did not grope her. He clearly did not grab her and force her into a corner, he clearly did not make threatening statements to her. So if he tried to pick up on her by saying hey, you look damn fine, how would you like to come up to my room for a little fun.... that should get you fired? Ive been asking this type of question for days and nobody answers it.

I live in a world where sexual harassment can get you fired. This is not sexual harassment. Sexual battery can get you fired. This is not sexual battery. What exactly IS IT that we have here.... assuming he came on to her and even possibly said something sexual.... what exactly would that be considered? Besides a little forward? A little rude? IM not saying that is what happened... im just saying IF it happened as I described, what would you call that?
 

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Which goes back to what I was suggesting. If there is a settlement, she accepted it and the hotel is dependent on her testimony being factual, or at least persuasive to a jury or judge. Irvin will not accept a settlement if he is having to pay it, I would think.
Irvin having to pay it???? Uhm, is Irvin getting sued? Did I miss something?
 

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But the NFL can't?
The nfl cant what? Ban Irvin? Uhm, you do know they have a contractual business relationship, yes? Ig the NFL pays out his contract, yes, they can do what they want.... BUT, if Irvin shows they got rid of him based upon these accusations and they end up being shown to be false in court, the NFL could get sued just like Marriott.
 

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For most people, "he was drinking and had no memory of the conversation from the night before" implies he was drunk.

However, to you he was sober. Got it!
to me is not what matters. How ths will be portrayed a=in court, and using exact words in court matters... not your interpretations.

Lawyer: Mr. Irvin, didn't you in fact say you didnt remember what you had said to this lady because you admitted you had so much to drink that you couldnt remember your own words to her?

Irvin: No, that is not what I said. I was speaking to a reporter and he asked what I said. I speak to so many fans every day in these kinds of little interactions that we basically say the same thing. Hello I'm Mike they give me their name, we shake hands, they normally say they were big fans...... stuff like that. It happens so many times throughout the day that I really cant remember each of them. So when the reporter asked me about this occasion I just blew it off and said I had a few drinks and couldnt remember this conversation.... not because I was wasted, but because I dont remember most of these kinds of interactions.


Lawyer to witness 1: Sir when you were speaking to Mr. Irvin and went outside to take a few pisctures did Mr. Irvin appear to be drunk to you?

Witness: No, he appeared to be having a normal discussion. At no time did he stumble while walking or leab from side to side, at no time was he incoherent and at no time were his words slurred.


After that testimony

Cowboys Zone members: He was drunk, he said so himself... I dont care what anyone says or what the video shows... HE WAS DRUNK!
 

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If a hotel employee went to her coworkers as well as management and filed a complaint that a hotel guest was making vulgar sexual advances towards her, then there should be reports that were made at that time by both the hotel management as well as HR.

If the decision was made to remove the guest from the hotel property, again there should be written reports documenting all of this. Marriott will need to turn those documents over to the court along with all videos, if there are indeed multiple videos, that captured any of the interactions between Irvin and the victim.

If none of this was documented at time of the event, then I would have to severly question the validity of Marriott's claims.
It was around 11pm at a local hotel. Do you think HR is around at 11pm? Do you think someone from HR was contacted at 11pm over some words supposedly said by a hotel guest? HR would have had zero to do with this encounter..... UNLESS, the shift manager called their boss because they knew they were dealing with a celebrity and there would clearly be media as a result of this. I know I would have called my boss, then maybe that person also was like... uhm, im not touching this, im calling my boss. Now that COULD have happened.
 

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If this video was advantageous to the Marriot's case you can bet that, not only would they hand it over to the judge immediately, it would have already gone public. They are hiding something.
not only that, they argued that Irvins legal team should be precluded from turning the video over to the public once they get it... and the judge disagreed.
 

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You are horrible. I said the judge ordered the video to be turned over by a certain time. You made up excuses and said it wasn't a big deal and now you are spinning.

What was your source for this news you alleged happened? Maybe it was Tucker Carlson.

Your source was wrong and so was your legal reasoning. No more excuses.
Well I agree with one thing he said... reading is fundamental. How many people in here have said Irvin was "Drunk," and they also claimed Irvin said that he was drunk, despite the indisputable FACT that he said no such thing....lol
 

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From the night before? Most people who had not been drinking would.
I went to a KISS concert with my wife.... probably 10 years ago. I went all out and did the entire Demon costume, makeup, hair, shoes, I was stopped all night long by people talking to me wanting to take pictures. I couldnt even go to the bathroom without getting stopped tat night. It was nuts.

That is what Irvin lives everyday. So when you say MOST PEOPLE, I agree with you. But most people dont have 30 conversations a night with people they have never met. You and I walk into that lobby and nobody says boo and we walk up to our room. So your "Most people," does not apply to Irvin. He is not most people.
 

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If what is true? He clearly did not grope her. He clearly did not grab her and force her into a corner, he clearly did not make threatening statements to her. So if he tried to pick up on her by saying hey, you look damn fine, how would you like to come up to my room for a little fun.... that should get you fired? Ive been asking this type of question for days and nobody answers it.

I live in a world where sexual harassment can get you fired. This is not sexual harassment. Sexual battery can get you fired. This is not sexual battery. What exactly IS IT that we have here.... assuming he came on to her and even possibly said something sexual.... what exactly would that be considered? Besides a little forward? A little rude? IM not saying that is what happened... im just saying IF it happened as I described, what would you call that?
ok so if your version of it happened , I doubt the complaint would have been filed if just words, but it depends on if they have the audio of what he said.
If they have the audio, then yes he would still lose his job.
Not because of legality's, but because of the job he has, will not tolerate that type of behavior.
If your representing one of the many networks, you cant do anything off color, or lewd. It will get the person fired no matter who they are.

And if no audio and nothing lewd or suspect can be seen in a video, then yeah he might get his job back + the 100 mil.
 

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No they wouldn't. Especially a person like Michael Irvin at SUPER BOWL WEEK where he's talking to a lot of people. He's definitely not going to remember everything from a short conversation.
I do not understand why this fact is so hard to get. As I stated in my post after yours... Irvin is not like "Most people." Can you imagine how many small talk conversations that Irvin had from 8am to 11pm in that lobby with people he had never met on that 1 day alone?
 

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ok so if your version of it happened , I doubt the complaint would have been filed if just words, but it depends on if they have the audio of what he said.
If they have the audio, then yes he would still lose his job.
Not because of legality's, but because of the job he has, will not tolerate that type of behavior.
If your representing one of the many networks, you cant do anything off color, or lewd. It will get the person fired no matter who they are.

And if no audio and nothing lewd or suspect can be seen in a video, then yeah he might get his job back + the 100 mil.
well what else could have happened besides what I described? It had to ONLY BE WORDS, because NOBODY, even Marriotts own lawyers have said Mike groped or fondled her. So this much I think we can all agree on, there was zero sexual touching that took place. Would you agree with that? If so, then all that leaves are words, and this conversation was 90 seconds long..... what else could he have said that is any worse than what I described? And all that is, is a man trying to pick up a woman. Hardly a crime.
 

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I went to a KISS concert with my wife.... probably 10 years ago. I went all out and did the entire Demon costume, makeup, hair, shoes, I was stopped all night long by people talking to me wanting to take pictures. I couldnt even go to the bathroom without getting stopped tat night. It was nuts.

That is what Irvin lives everyday. So when you say MOST PEOPLE, I agree with you. But most people dont have 30 conversations a night with people they have never met. You and I walk into that lobby and nobody says boo and we walk up to our room. So your "Most people," does not apply to Irvin. He is not most people.
He may not remember word-for-word what was said, but unless he was drunk (which he does claim to not remember because he was drinking .. his words), most people, even Michael Irvin, would remember some sort of context from the discussion.
 

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More like they tried to do that with the judge. Did they think a federal judge would be OK with having his orders ignored?
I said 2 nights ago that Marriott was about to get B slapped by the judge. I actually had others trying to explain away what Marriott did....lol. Exactly what I said was gonna happen, happened. People were arguing the judge agreed with Marriott about keeping the face of the accuser out of the public.... dont know where they possibly got that from, but the judge apparently didnt buy that either. Read what the judge said... he smacked Marriott right across the face with his response yesterday.
 

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The documents say when Irvin returned to the Renaissance Phoenix Hotel on February 5, he "appeared to be visibly intoxicated," and in conversation with the female staffer, asked a lewd question that's too graphic to detail on TV, but referenced intercourse with a Black man.

Attorneys for Marriott say: "Taken aback by Irvin’s comments, the Victim responded that his comments were inappropriate, and she did not wish to discuss it further…Irvin then attempted to grab the Victim’s hand again and said he was ‘sorry if he brought up bad memories for her’…The Victim pulled her hand away and tried to back away from Irvin as he continued to move toward her."

According to Marriott, "two other Hotel employees noticed that the Victim had a look of concern on her face…Irvin then stated that he would come back to find her sometime that week when she was working."

Marriott goes on to say another employee walked over to Irvin after the victim walked away, and that "After Irvin finished leering at the Victim and turned back to Employee 1, he said aloud ‘she bad,’ ‘she bad…’" followed by a sexual remark.

He then "slapped himself in the face three times, saying ‘keep it together Mike.’"
I wonder if any of this is on that video?

If he actually made that remark about coming back and finding her when she was working, why move him. Hell, they should have gotten a TRO. That is a threat.

Also, does that mean she was not working when she approached him? Then why did she approach him? Was she a fan and he, being Irvin, just assumed she was fair game?

None of this explains why the lawyer would risk pissing the judge off by ignoring his order to release the "evidence". Not a smart thing to do.

However, this seems to be changing to a they said/they said but that moving towards her and her retreating better show up on that video and it would be nice to see him face slap himself 3 times and repeat "there's no place like home".
 

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Whatever. :rolleyes:

Thanks for your part in 3 SB wins Mike, but your behavior off the field has been questionable for years and comparing this legal proceeding to a "lynching" was one of the dumbest, tone deaf, things I've ever heard. I don't care how this case ends, I just want it to end.
I normally shake my head anytime race is used with stuff like this. But in this case he is saying it was just like back then. n accusation is made and BAM... the result happened immediately regardless of what Mike has said. Nobody has listened to him and his entire life has been turned upside down, regardless of what he has said. In that context, the comparison is right.
 

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The nfl cant what? Ban Irvin? Uhm, you do know they have a contractual business relationship, yes? Ig the NFL pays out his contract, yes, they can do what they want.... BUT, if Irvin shows they got rid of him based upon these accusations and they end up being shown to be false in court, the NFL could get sued just like Marriott.
And if he loses in court because the jury doesn't believe him, he runs the risk of the morals clause in his contract and could receive nothing. The NFLN is the interested party on the sideline in this one.
 
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