News: BTB: Cowboys pet peeve: People who want to move on from Dak Prescott

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I didn’t even include purdy or Jimmy g

Lucky you didn't because neither belongs with that group. Unless you think differently was better than Marino because dilfer got a ring?

 

[Diehardblues]

You cannot receive top 10 pay and then play horribly in the playoffs w/o a pile of consernation coming your way.

I agree . And he deserves the criticism for his performance in SF game. He also deserves the credit for us reaching that far.

 

[Diehardblues]

You can't, I'm not mentally stable. But I'm not far behind those that want to pay, or think it's a good idea to pay a QB like Dak 50M a year.

Unless you’re a poorly managed team with a toxic atmosphere and dysfunctional ownership which without a QB as good as Romo or Prescott falling into their lap they’d be more of a bottom tier franchise with draft picks like Quincy Carter, Johnny Manziel or Paxton Lynch.

 

[Diehardblues]

Nope. If you are saying they were worth what they got, then you are saying it's OK, plain and simple!!

Again not saying they are worth what they got. Just saying I understand why they got it. The league and the owners are saying it’s ok, not me.

 

[McMicah]

RJ Ochoa has come out as saying he’s an unapologetic Dak enthusiast multiple times. I’m not saying Dak is trash, but let’s not point to an article written by BTB and somehow pretend it’s some super informed insider, scout, or coach. The BTB guys are just fans that turned themselves into pundits. I enjoy listening to anyone talk about Cowboys football, but I don’t really count on RJ and company to steer my opinion of Dak

 

[Typhus]

To get better options you gotta suck and I’m down for being terrible.

The team screwed up paying Dak knowing it takes an incredible roster for him to be successful.

While not disagreeing, the real screw up was spending 4th orverall draft stock on a RB, and I don't care if it was a weak QB class, draft stock is still draft stock and trade that pick for next years picks if the right evaluation would have been there.... woulda coulda shoulda, but that was the opportunity and the origin of what has set this franchise back.
Well that and Garret tenure....

 

[Typhus]

I'm not sure on your defensiveness to my post. It wasn't ripping Dak all around and basically said there are a host of issues along with QB. But you can't watch the 2 49er games and think Dak played well in the playoffs when it counted. Just like people think Romo screwed us on a dropped hold etc. I thought Romo did a lot of great stuff with a horrible line and many issues. Dak has had way more talent in years...not last year. But he had stacked years. I just don't get your comment. You can say Dak is better than Purdy or Garrappollo but he didn't play like it against them. That was my point...we have issues from the FO on down and in big time moments we have had many stars shrink. My theory is every position should have competition. Dak ended up taking a broken down Romo's place and Romo still had skill when not injured. You can't just stick with and pay one person because he is what we have, even if you think he is top 10. League is too volatile

Dont need 100 emojis to say you nailed it.

 

[kskboys]

Strange number.

It's not. That's the number he agreed to, and then renegged.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm not looking for a QB like Mahomes. Just a cheaper version of Dak. Dak is the type of QB you move on from after his rookie contract. I certainly wouldn't give him a 3rd contract. A QB like Dak needs to be on a rookie contract.

Why do you think Jethro and Son are willing to pay Dak a 2nd or 3rd contract ?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Reread my post. The point is you’re not going to upgrade Dak. But you don’t need to upgrade Dak to upgrade the team. The top 15 salaries is why.

Yes, Dak was a rookie once, that was the window to push the limit of your salary cap. Geno did suck, and that’s why he was so cheap last year. And Purdy will be cheap for 3 more years. As will all the QBs coming out of this draft

this fallacy of top 15 salary. tell me who we wanted to have an couldn't last year, with over 20M on the cap? when we were bottom 3 in cash spending? this is a fallacy that's be debunked 100 times over.

and to your last point. comparing a QB on his second salary to a rookie salary is plain dumb. unless otherwise you are suggesting the only way to win is with a QB on a rookie contract? believe me people have argued that.

again, Dak is not Elite. he makes mistakes and just because of those you don't throw him to the curb unless you got something better.

and lets wait a couple of years before annointing Purdy as this world beating, HOF type QB, given a lot of cowboys fans do, in order to knock Dak. lets the DCs get a few more game tapes and see how they dissect this kid. there is a reason he fell to the 7th round and I am sure one poster will bring up Brady as an example of a low round pick working out. This kid is already being annointed by Dak haters.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Tom Brady, the GOAT, threw 3 INT's in the 2020 NFC championship game and his team bailed him out. The first INT was midway through the 3rd quarter and the other two were in the 4th quarter. People don't remember that because they won. They won because the rest of the team stepped up when Brady was having a bad game.

That is what championship teams do. There are times when it is someone else's turn to be the hero but nobody stepped up against the 49ers.

Dak's first INT came on 3rd and 9 after Zeke gained one yard on 1st and ten while Pollard was stopped for no gain on 2nd and 9, Bpth INT's came in the first half and in the first play of the 4th quarter the 49ers broke a 9-9 tie with a TD that made it 16-9.

I'm not defending Dak, he played a horrible game. However, the outcome of the game was always in question and a big play by any Cowboys player could have sent them to the NFC championship game.

Instead, we had Zeke's effort of 10 carries for 26 yards. The Cowboys had 7 penalties, their highest number in seven games. Gallup delivered 0 receptions on three pass attempts.

Dak threw 17 INT's last season when you include the playoffs. However, 14 of them were in the first half of the game which means they really didn't effect the outcome, not to mention, many of them bounced off the hands of a receiver.

Again, I am not defending Dak, I'm saying that when he had poor performances that led to defeat, he had accomplices. Other teammates on offense rarely stepped up to alleviate the pressure.

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great point. the Dak haters want to place sole responsibility on Dak, because it suits the argument they are trying to make. and to your point teams have to step up. I remember a game the great future HOF rodgers played, when they scored 9 points. Packers won. the defense gave up 0 points.

those interceptions were bad. all interceptions are bad. but the outcome of the game wasn't decided. Diggs missed a sure tackle to force an incompletion that led to a big play by Kittle....he literally went out of his way not to make a tackle....subsequently, before that second TD, Diggs dropped a sure interception inside the 5. that could have easily swung the game.... zeke sucked and when we lost Pollard, we were done, as Dak is not able to pull a Rodgers....or Mahomes, because he is neither......

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Don't be obtuse. When Dak got his contract, it was a top of the market contract. If it was a little less or a little more, it's still a top of the market contract.

no, it was second highest.....factually. and within two months, it was third...factually speaking.

btw, you complain about QB salaries, then write an email to all the NFL owners. its the market. Dak took what the market gave. Watson took what the market gave. Wentz took what the market gave. cousins took what the market gave. there are 14 QBs who make average of 30M/year. 9 that make 40M and above. that doesn't count for Burrow, Herbert, Lawrence, Hurts, who are all coming up for new contracts. its about to get really crazy

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak is on year 8, basically playing in the same offense. He’s been baby-sat. 7 years is enough to be able to stream-line the throws and plays you are good at. Any NFL QB that had average skills, surrounded by this talent, with this amount of repetitions should get better. The fact he looks better in an offense than his back-ups on certain throws is a completely asinine take.

The fact is, Dak is out here making the same bone-headed throws that he would get looking on in his career, particularly considering he wasn’t throwing as much. Now he’s getting picked off more and fumbling more, as his responsibilities increased.

Dude has completely peaked.

Now the last remaining excuse is, “play calling” and a “new offense”. Guess what? They aren’t ultimately changing the offense, Dak doesn’t have the mental fortitude and you have a lot of the same players starting next year. Dallas had significant issues with a much better QB in Romo trying to go to more of a West Coast type with Callahan, coupled with Garrett trying to interfere.

Does anybody think Jerry is going to re-live that experiment? No, it’s why they constantly talk about play calling, not a new offense.

ok, Dak is peaked.

who you got that will make this team better?

you always avoid answering this and instead spend page upon page upon page dissecting a single throw in a single game and extrapolate to a season.

so who you got? what's your plan? make this team better and it better be a sound logical response, not the typical drivel

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I agree . And he deserves the criticism for his performance in SF game. He also deserves the credit for us reaching that far.

one poster said, Dak always chokes in the big game. I asked if not going to superbowl and losing would mean he chokes in big games? and if the only way was for him to win the superbowl, every year. I never heard back.

 

[jazzcat22]

one poster said, Dak always chokes in the big game. I asked if not going to superbowl and losing would mean he chokes in big games? and if the only way was for him to win the superbowl, every year. I never heard back.

Josh Allen chokes in big game then also? He choked in bigger games than Dak in an AFCCG. I mean, if losing playoff games count as choking then Allen is right there as well.

Did Hebert choke against the Jaguars, being up by what 4 TD's. Some will blame the chargers defense, but why did not Herbert get any TD's in the 2nd half?

This is not against you or your post. Just responding and asking, or agreeing, does losing a playoff game counts as choking, no matter the QB, or do some just use it against Dak?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Josh Allen chokes in big game then also? He choked in bigger games than Dak in an AFCCG. I mean, if losing playoff games count as choking then Allen is right there as well.

Did Hebert choke against the Jaguars, being up by what 4 TD's. Some will blame the chargers defense, but why did not Herbert get any TD's in the 2nd half?

This is not against you or your post. Just responding and asking, or agreeing, does losing a playoff game counts as choking, no matter the QB, or do some just use it against Dak?

oh, I thought the poster was stupid for saying what he said, but I was relaying the mindset.

p.s.
I asked him the exact question you asked. some posters just want to jump on the bash dak bandwagon and say anything at the moment without really thinking through.

 

[Cmac]

Fall Guy syndrome......has to be subjective frustrations. This Board decides a Fall Guy every year, while completely absolving Fan Favorites of their very own play that contributes to the team failures. Dak is the consensus Fall Guy, with new candidates soon to be surfacing. Stand-by, new candidates will be surfacing.

 

[Diehardblues]

32

We probably could have signed him for about 35 about the time Wilson was highest paid QB at 35. Like before or after Daks 3rd season.

We knew we were going to keep Prescott after his Rookie season. Especially after letting Romo go. But we put it off and off until the price kept going up.

I wouldn’t have had a problem walking away from Prescott. We had the opportunity even after we Tagged him to draft or bring in another QB.

That’s mostly on our ownership which never placed us in a position to move on from Prescott or at least place us in a better position to negotiate.

So, given the situation with our suspect front office position we really didn’t have much other choice . And that’s how I’m basing my thoughts. And why I basically hold Jethro and Son responsible . It is what it is.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

this fallacy of top 15 salary. tell me who we wanted to have an couldn't last year, with over 20M on the cap? when we were bottom 3 in cash spending? this is a fallacy that's be debunked 100 times over.

and to your last point. comparing a QB on his second salary to a rookie salary is plain dumb. unless otherwise you are suggesting the only way to win is with a QB on a rookie contract? believe me people have argued that.

again, Dak is not Elite. he makes mistakes and just because of those you don't throw him to the curb unless you got something better.

and lets wait a couple of years before annointing Purdy as this world beating, HOF type QB, given a lot of cowboys fans do, in order to knock Dak. lets the DCs get a few more game tapes and see how they dissect this kid. there is a reason he fell to the 7th round and I am sure one poster will bring up Brady as an example of a low round pick working out. This kid is already being annointed by Dak haters.

Again, Purdy is not better than Dak. No one here is anointing him. The fact you still don’t understand my post after 2 tries worries me.

Dallas didn’t have a wishlist they couldn’t sign because they didn’t have the money to even consider it. Did Dallas have the NFL’s best roster? No. Did Dallas have pro bowlers at every position? No. Every single team in the league would have made significant upgrades had they had the money to do so. Give Dallas Dak’s contract in cap space and they have a completely different shopping list.

Last year Dallas had the 4th seed wild card, and beat a playoff team that lost more games than it won. 10-7 would have got that same wild card spot. A lot of QBs could have gone 10-7 for Dallas last year. A lot of QBs could have beaten 8-10 Tampa with your roster. And a lot of QBs could have pulled the same stuff Dak did against SF.

Notice what’s happening around the NFL to QBs ranked near Dak on megadeals. QBs in the 7-15 range. Russell Wilson hadn’t made it out of the divisional round since his rookie deal, and now Seattle is just as well off after they got rid of him. Carson Wentz never made it very far on his own, so they got rid of him. Goff never recaptured his SB season once he was expensive, so they got rid of him. Derek Carr was hitting the same ceiling over and over, so they got rid of him. Jimmy Garoppolo had playoff success, but SF realized they could still be better with his money and a young QB, so they got rid of him. Even Matt Stafford, Lions have been the same or better since he left, Rams only won when they didn’t have to pay his full contract; Detroit took all the dead cap. But now that Stafford is being paid big money by LAR, future doesn’t look great. Arizona paying Kyler, doesn’t look great. Deshaun Watson and the Browns aren’t ever going anywhere. None of those contracts worked out unless you have a top 5 Qb.

And now Dallas and Minnesota want to hold on to their high priced, nonelite QBs despite hitting the same ceilings year after year. Give Dallas a cheaper QB and spend the rest of Dak’s money on upgrading Dallas’s weaknesses, and at minimum they achieve what Dak did. 19-12 SF divisional round game with a QB who protects the ball a bit better is not an insurmountable challenge of you have a better Dline, better pass rush, better WRs, and/or better Oline. 2021? You won the division by 3.5 games. Any QB would have done that for Dallas as well as immediately lost a home game in the first round. What has Dallas gotten by paying Dak, as far as team success? Honest question, he’s been the QB for 7 years now. What has he done for the team that would not have been possible with a cheaper QB?

 

[noshame]

Many of these Dakattics are the same bunch who thought Quincy was going to break out .