News: BTB: Cowboys pet peeve: People who want to move on from Dak Prescott

[Diehardblues]

Again, Purdy is not better than Dak. No one here is anointing him. The fact you still don’t understand my post after 2 tries worries me.

Dallas didn’t have a wishlist they couldn’t sign because they didn’t have the money to even consider it. Did Dallas have the NFL’s best roster? No. Did Dallas have pro bowlers at every position? No. Every single team in the league would have made significant upgrades had they had the money to do so. Give Dallas Dak’s contract in cap space and they have a completely different shopping list.

Last year Dallas had the 4th seed wild card, and beat a playoff team that lost more games than it won. 10-7 would have got that same wild card spot. A lot of QBs could have gone 10-7 for Dallas last year. A lot of QBs could have beaten 8-10 Tampa with your roster. And a lot of QBs could have pulled the same stuff Dak did against SF.

Notice what’s happening around the NFL to QBs ranked near Dak. QBs in the 7-15 range. Russell Wilson hadn’t made it out of the divisional round since his rookie deal, and now Seattle is just as well off after they got rid of him. Carson Wentz made it very far on his own, so they got rid of him. Goff never recaptured his SB season once he was expensive, so they got rid of him. Derek Carr was hitting the same ceiling over and over, so they got rid of him. Jimmy Garoppolo had playoff success, but SF realized they could still be better with his money and a young QB, so they got rid of him. Even Matt Stafford, Lions have been the same or better since he left, Rams only won when they didn’t have to pay him full contract; Detroit took all the dead cap. But now that Stafford is being paid big money by LAR, doesn’t look great. Arizona paying Kyler, doesn’t look great. Deshaun Watson and the Browns aren’t ever going anywhere. None of those contracts worked out unless you have a top 5 Qb.

And now Dallas and Minnesota want to hold on to their high priced, nonelite QBs despite hitting the same ceilings year after year. Give Dallas a cheaper QB and spend the rest of Dak’s money on upgrading Dallas’s weaknesses, and at minimum they achieve what Dak did. 19-12 divisional round game with a QB who protects the ball a bit better is not an insurmountable challenge of you have a better Dline, better pass rush, better WRs, and/or better Oline. 2021? You won the division by 3.5 games. Any QB would have done that for Dallas and immediately lost in the first round. What has Dallas gotten by paying Dak, as far as team success? Honest question, he’s been the QB for 7 years now. What has he done for the team that would not have been possible with a cheaper QB?

Great question ? We really don’t know . We saw what Rush did last year in a brief stint but we dont know if that holds up. Especially as our defense begin to slide.

What we do know is we are a playoff contender with Prescott. And that really is probably enough for our ownership to stay with him.

Is Daks poor performance in divisional games all that’s holding us back? That’s arguable .

No doubt if he performed like he did in Tampa playoff game the results could have been different . We certainly wouldn’t be bashing him as much.

And we must also acknowledge that good QB’s have bad games . There are poor matchups for us as well. Top defenses are a problem for us. And strong running games we struggle stopping .

I’m not sure our defense towards the end of season and in playoffs would have been enough to advance further with Rush or a lesser QB as such. Would we have still been a playoff team. Maybe . Would we have won 12 games and been hyped as such . And beat Tampa. IDK.

It’s difficult to say if we continue rolling against the teams we should win without Prescott if our defense isn’t performing at the first half of season mode. The first Egirls game provided a sample I think . And even some of the wins prior were much closer that should have been without a more explosive offense.

Which I think is the major difference. The potential of an explosive offense which Dak presents as we saw in Tampa.

 

[kskboys]

no, it was second highest.....factually. and within two months, it was third...factually speaking.

btw, you complain about QB salaries, then write an email to all the NFL owners. its the market. Dak took what the market gave. Watson took what the market gave. Wentz took what the market gave. cousins took what the market gave. there are 14 QBs who make average of 30M/year. 9 that make 40M and above. that doesn't count for Burrow, Herbert, Lawrence, Hurts, who are all coming up for new contracts. its about to get really crazy

Man, you really just don't understand. Top of the market doesn't mean it has to be THE highest. If one guy gets 40 mil and one guy gets 41 mil, they were both paid at the top of the market.

 

[khiladi]

We are NOT a playoff contender with Dak if the defense continues to slide.

 

[kskboys]

Again, Purdy is not better than Dak. No one here is anointing him. The fact you still don’t understand my post after 2 tries worries me.

Dallas didn’t have a wishlist they couldn’t sign because they didn’t have the money to even consider it. Did Dallas have the NFL’s best roster? No. Did Dallas have pro bowlers at every position? No. Every single team in the league would have made significant upgrades had they had the money to do so. Give Dallas Dak’s contract in cap space and they have a completely different shopping list.

Last year Dallas had the 4th seed wild card, and beat a playoff team that lost more games than it won. 10-7 would have got that same wild card spot. A lot of QBs could have gone 10-7 for Dallas last year. A lot of QBs could have beaten 8-10 Tampa with your roster. And a lot of QBs could have pulled the same stuff Dak did against SF.

Notice what’s happening around the NFL to QBs ranked near Dak on megadeals. QBs in the 7-15 range. Russell Wilson hadn’t made it out of the divisional round since his rookie deal, and now Seattle is just as well off after they got rid of him. Carson Wentz never made it very far on his own, so they got rid of him. Goff never recaptured his SB season once he was expensive, so they got rid of him. Derek Carr was hitting the same ceiling over and over, so they got rid of him. Jimmy Garoppolo had playoff success, but SF realized they could still be better with his money and a young QB, so they got rid of him. Even Matt Stafford, Lions have been the same or better since he left, Rams only won when they didn’t have to pay his full contract; Detroit took all the dead cap. But now that Stafford is being paid big money by LAR, future doesn’t look great. Arizona paying Kyler, doesn’t look great. Deshaun Watson and the Browns aren’t ever going anywhere. None of those contracts worked out unless you have a top 5 Qb.

And now Dallas and Minnesota want to hold on to their high priced, nonelite QBs despite hitting the same ceilings year after year. Give Dallas a cheaper QB and spend the rest of Dak’s money on upgrading Dallas’s weaknesses, and at minimum they achieve what Dak did. 19-12 SF divisional round game with a QB who protects the ball a bit better is not an insurmountable challenge of you have a better Dline, better pass rush, better WRs, and/or better Oline. 2021? You won the division by 3.5 games. Any QB would have done that for Dallas as well as immediately lost a home game in the first round. What has Dallas gotten by paying Dak, as far as team success? Honest question, he’s been the QB for 7 years now. What has he done for the team that would not have been possible with a cheaper QB?

There are facets to Purdy that appear to be better than Dak. Way too small of a sample size for a real comparison at this point.

Very good post.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Man, you really just don't understand. Top of the market doesn't mean it has to be THE highest. If one guy gets 40 mil and one guy gets 41 mil, they were both paid at the top of the market.

I don't disagree. but that's the market. it is what it is. and whomever is tops today, will not be tops 2 years from now.

with that said, my point was that the salary hasn't disabled us from signing anyone in FA. we are handing out large contracts left and right in the past few years. its just that we haven't chosen to sign anyone in FA, one, as a strategy (jerry) and two often not really franchise, elite players reach FA. often they are older, injured, at the back end of their career or identified as frauds/jags.

 

[kskboys]

I don't disagree. but that's the market. it is what it is. and whomever is tops today, will not be tops 2 years from now.

with that said, my point was that the salary hasn't disabled us from signing anyone in FA. we are handing out large contracts left and right in the past few years. its just that we haven't chosen to sign anyone in FA, one, as a strategy (jerry) and two often not really franchise, elite players reach FA. often they are older, injured, at the back end of their career or identified as frauds/jags.

It has stopped us. The contracts of DLaw, Tyron, Cooper, Dak, and Zeke took up huge chunks of the salary cap, which made us weak at other positions which caused us to lose in the playoffs. A player who is paid at the top must absolutely play up to it.

We have been very poor in FA due to Jerry. Jerry has tried the high dollar FAs, and failed miserably due to an extreme incompetence in evaluating players. Brandon Carr is the prime example of this, most obvioiusly being a #2 type CB that Jerry paid like a #1. That is the bigger problem most definitely. So, why don't we sign effective FAs? Because we have a non-football guy up top.

 

[Diehardblues]

How far is Prescott salary out of whack currently tied for 8th highest . Perhaps down to 10th. I’m not sure his contract is the talking point it was a couple years ago. Which represents Market Price.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Again, Purdy is not better than Dak. No one here is anointing him. The fact you still don’t understand my post after 2 tries worries me.

Dallas didn’t have a wishlist they couldn’t sign because they didn’t have the money to even consider it. Did Dallas have the NFL’s best roster? No. Did Dallas have pro bowlers at every position? No. Every single team in the league would have made significant upgrades had they had the money to do so. Give Dallas Dak’s contract in cap space and they have a completely different shopping list.

Last year Dallas had the 4th seed wild card, and beat a playoff team that lost more games than it won. 10-7 would have got that same wild card spot. A lot of QBs could have gone 10-7 for Dallas last year. A lot of QBs could have beaten 8-10 Tampa with your roster. And a lot of QBs could have pulled the same stuff Dak did against SF.

Notice what’s happening around the NFL to QBs ranked near Dak on megadeals. QBs in the 7-15 range. Russell Wilson hadn’t made it out of the divisional round since his rookie deal, and now Seattle is just as well off after they got rid of him. Carson Wentz never made it very far on his own, so they got rid of him. Goff never recaptured his SB season once he was expensive, so they got rid of him. Derek Carr was hitting the same ceiling over and over, so they got rid of him. Jimmy Garoppolo had playoff success, but SF realized they could still be better with his money and a young QB, so they got rid of him. Even Matt Stafford, Lions have been the same or better since he left, Rams only won when they didn’t have to pay his full contract; Detroit took all the dead cap. But now that Stafford is being paid big money by LAR, future doesn’t look great. Arizona paying Kyler, doesn’t look great. Deshaun Watson and the Browns aren’t ever going anywhere. None of those contracts worked out unless you have a top 5 Qb.

And now Dallas and Minnesota want to hold on to their high priced, nonelite QBs despite hitting the same ceilings year after year. Give Dallas a cheaper QB and spend the rest of Dak’s money on upgrading Dallas’s weaknesses, and at minimum they achieve what Dak did. 19-12 SF divisional round game with a QB who protects the ball a bit better is not an insurmountable challenge of you have a better Dline, better pass rush, better WRs, and/or better Oline. 2021? You won the division by 3.5 games. Any QB would have done that for Dallas as well as immediately lost a home game in the first round. What has Dallas gotten by paying Dak, as far as team success? Honest question, he’s been the QB for 7 years now. What has he done for the team that would not have been possible with a cheaper QB?

not necessarily you annointing him, but his name pops up every where for some reason.

Dallas had 20M on the cap last year. chose not to sign anyone. so please don't tell me about wish list. and in FA, most elite/franchise type players get resigned by their teams and never hit FA (we have done the same). usually older, over the hill, down side of their career, often injured or those found to be jags/frauds that hit the market. big names. but not elite. if there is anyone elite hitting the market, they cost 2 arms, 3 legs and your first born. that's FA market.

building a team via FA doesn't work, but I am sure people will point to Rams, however rams made it possible by giving up boat loads of picks to get two key players. Jerry did the same, gave up a first for Cooper. got him. extended him. then threw him out for a 5th...go figure.

and last year, dallas beat a playoff team. now you are spinning it into a team that had more losses, etc. to diminish the win. why do you do that? sad really because you didn't even enjoy the win....

and a lot of QBs could have gone 10-7 and they would have cost 35+, given that's where the market is. so all this whining because of 5M. and please don't tell me rush and rush went 4-1. then you lose all your credibility and become a TMZ type of fan.....

and you are pretty much saying, what I am saying. QB market is nuts. top 13 make 30+. it is what it is. and Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Jackson coming up for contracts. its going to be even more nuts.
with that said, I am not opposed to getting another QB. SF had a top 5 pick. means they either made a smart trade (tell me when was the last time jerry did that) or they sucked really bad to get up to top 5 to draft a QB. and yet, seems like they are going with a 7th round pick....

so lets move on from Dak. lets draft a QB. tell me who you think will be available at 26. or what will it take to trade up for a QB that would be better than DAK (long term) and put your name next to their name.

facts are QBs are a big gamble. despite the salaries, it is still the easiest path to superbowl, if you find the right one. and that is the key. find the right one. Rams traded three picks to get stafford. Chicago wnen twith turbiskey and dumped him and then drafted fields. not sure if he is the answer.

so yeah, not opposed to look for the next guy. but its a gamble, as 9-10 seem to fail in NFL. and Burrow, Mahomes are generational talent and takes a bit of luck to get them. doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
in the meantime, Dak is a top 10 QB (go head argue where he ranks). and we need to build a team with a less than perfect QB. unless you are saying, it doesn't matter. we can't so we should just dump everyone and stop trying. with that said, do you think Jerry Jones is capable of making trades like rams did and put a team together that can compete?

 

[Diehardblues]

How far is Prescott salary out of whack currently tied for 8th highest . Perhaps down to 10th. I’m not sure his contract is the talking point it was a couple years ago. Which represents Market Price.

Let’s assume Dak should be closer to 35 million. Is the argument that 5 million is the difference in winning championships ? I doubt it.

And why the contract is more of a talking point. If we don’t think he’s enough it doesn’t really matter what his contract is beyond his Rookie deal. Especially if our Sky Box gurus mismanage.

Our dysfunctional ownership has mismanaged several contracts which have placed us in a more vulnerable situation. Not just Daks.

 

[kskboys]

not necessarily you annointing him, but his name pops up every where for some reason.

Dallas had 20M on the cap last year. chose not to sign anyone. so please don't tell me about wish list. and in FA, most elite/franchise type players get resigned by their teams and never hit FA (we have done the same). usually older, over the hill, down side of their career, often injured or those found to be jags/frauds that hit the market. big names. but not elite. if there is anyone elite hitting the market, they cost 2 arms, 3 legs and your first born. that's FA market.

building a team via FA doesn't work, but I am sure people will point to Rams, however rams made it possible by giving up boat loads of picks to get two key players. Jerry did the same, gave up a first for Cooper. got him. extended him. then threw him out for a 5th...go figure.

and last year, dallas beat a playoff team. now you are spinning it into a team that had more losses, etc. to diminish the win. why do you do that? sad really because you didn't even enjoy the win....

and a lot of QBs could have gone 10-7 and they would have cost 35+, given that's where the market is. so all this whining because of 5M. and please don't tell me rush and rush went 4-1. then you lose all your credibility and become a TMZ type of fan.....

and you are pretty much saying, what I am saying. QB market is nuts. top 13 make 30+. it is what it is. and Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Jackson coming up for contracts. its going to be even more nuts.
with that said, I am not opposed to getting another QB. SF had a top 5 pick. means they either made a smart trade (tell me when was the last time jerry did that) or they sucked really bad to get up to top 5 to draft a QB. and yet, seems like they are going with a 7th round pick....

so lets move on from Dak. lets draft a QB. tell me who you think will be available at 26. or what will it take to trade up for a QB that would be better than DAK (long term) and put your name next to their name.

facts are QBs are a big gamble. despite the salaries, it is still the easiest path to superbowl, if you find the right one. and that is the key. find the right one. Rams traded three picks to get stafford. Chicago wnen twith turbiskey and dumped him and then drafted fields. not sure if he is the answer.

so yeah, not opposed to look for the next guy. but its a gamble, as 9-10 seem to fail in NFL. and Burrow, Mahomes are generational talent and takes a bit of luck to get them. doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
in the meantime, Dak is a top 10 QB (go head argue where he ranks). and we need to build a team with a less than perfect QB. unless you are saying, it doesn't matter. we can't so we should just dump everyone and stop trying. with that said, do you think Jerry Jones is capable of making trades like rams did and put a team together that can compete?

That 20 mil was absolutely necessary to save for future signings. I was proud of Jerry for once looking at the future and not just what's in front of his face. Big pic.

 

[kskboys]

Let’s assume Dak should be closer to 35 million. Is the argument that 5 million is the difference in winning championships ? I doubt it.

And why the contract is more of a talking point. If we don’t think he’s enough it doesn’t really matter what his contract is beyond his Rookie deal. Especially if our Sky Box gurus mismanage.

5 million buys a good backup OLineman. It absolutely could make the difference.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

not necessarily you annointing him, but his name pops up every where for some reason.

Dallas had 20M on the cap last year. chose not to sign anyone. so please don't tell me about wish list. and in FA, most elite/franchise type players get resigned by their teams and never hit FA (we have done the same). usually older, over the hill, down side of their career, often injured or those found to be jags/frauds that hit the market. big names. but not elite. if there is anyone elite hitting the market, they cost 2 arms, 3 legs and your first born. that's FA market.

building a team via FA doesn't work, but I am sure people will point to Rams, however rams made it possible by giving up boat loads of picks to get two key players. Jerry did the same, gave up a first for Cooper. got him. extended him. then threw him out for a 5th...go figure.

and last year, dallas beat a playoff team. now you are spinning it into a team that had more losses, etc. to diminish the win. why do you do that? sad really because you didn't even enjoy the win....

and a lot of QBs could have gone 10-7 and they would have cost 35+, given that's where the market is. so all this whining because of 5M. and please don't tell me rush and rush went 4-1. then you lose all your credibility and become a TMZ type of fan.....

and you are pretty much saying, what I am saying. QB market is nuts. top 13 make 30+. it is what it is. and Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Jackson coming up for contracts. its going to be even more nuts.
with that said, I am not opposed to getting another QB. SF had a top 5 pick. means they either made a smart trade (tell me when was the last time jerry did that) or they sucked really bad to get up to top 5 to draft a QB. and yet, seems like they are going with a 7th round pick....

so lets move on from Dak. lets draft a QB. tell me who you think will be available at 26. or what will it take to trade up for a QB that would be better than DAK (long term) and put your name next to their name.

facts are QBs are a big gamble. despite the salaries, it is still the easiest path to superbowl, if you find the right one. and that is the key. find the right one. Rams traded three picks to get stafford. Chicago wnen twith turbiskey and dumped him and then drafted fields. not sure if he is the answer.

so yeah, not opposed to look for the next guy. but its a gamble, as 9-10 seem to fail in NFL. and Burrow, Mahomes are generational talent and takes a bit of luck to get them. doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
in the meantime, Dak is a top 10 QB (go head argue where he ranks). and we need to build a team with a less than perfect QB. unless you are saying, it doesn't matter. we can't so we should just dump everyone and stop trying. with that said, do you think Jerry Jones is capable of making trades like rams did and put a team together that can compete?

You don’t need to build an entire team through FA, just supplement what you already have through it. Like Buffalo and KC and Philadelphia and Cincinnati and Baltimore and GB and every other team that’s made a conference championship game this decade.

As far as QBs Dallas could have this year, Hendon Hooker is the guy

 

[jazzcat22]

I’m not sure our defense towards the end of season and in playoffs would have been enough to advance further with Rush or a lesser QB as such. Would we have still been a playoff team. Maybe . Would we have won 12 games and been hyped as such . And beat Tampa. IDK.

It’s difficult to say if we continue rolling against the teams we should win without Prescott if our defense isn’t performing at the first half of season mode. The first Egirls game provided a sample I think . And even some of the wins prior were much closer that should have been without a more explosive offense.

Fans forget, or choose to forget, or selectively forget. That the defense was playing at a very high level with Rush at QB.
Then they lost Brown and Lewis, and the defense went down some from there. They trade for Hankins, change up the schemes some to stop the run, so the pass rush suffered some.
It was not the same as Dak returned.

I am not making excuses for Dak, as he shared in his part of the teams not so good performances. But the defense regardless faded in the last half of the season.

 

[Diehardblues]

5 million buys a good backup OLineman. It absolutely could make the difference.

Understood but I’d argue it’s the cumulatively mismanaged contracts which cost us, not just Daks . As you mentioned in an above post accurately. But too much attention is on Daks contract alone.

 

[kskboys]

You don’t need to build an entire team through FA, just supplement what you already have through it. Like Buffalo and KC and Philadelphia and Cincinnati and Baltimore and GB and every other team that’s made a conference championship game this decade.

As far as QBs Dallas could have this year, Hendon Hooker is the guy

I would like Hooker if he could shorten his release. Might not work in the NFL as it'll give NFL DB's too much time to jump routes. I do like a lot about him, though, but 3rd at earliest.

 

[kskboys]

Understood but I’d argue it’s the cumulatively mismanaged contracts which cost us, not just Daks . As you mentioned in an above post accurately. But too much attention is on Daks contract alone.

Absolutely.

I tend not to focus on the QB, especially since it's pretty much impossible to have a discussion about him. Our past bad contracts are what's haunting us. We still paying Carr?!!!!!!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That 20 mil was absolutely necessary to save for future signings. I was proud of Jerry for once looking at the future and not just what's in front of his face. Big pic.

BS. contracts get reworked. we could have used it and reworked additional contracts and push dead money to future. all teams, competing do the same because of the window they are in and then there is dead cap, they suck, they go drafting at the top and go rebuilding. there are still contracts we could have redone this year, but didn't need.

you are probably the only person who is proud of Jerry, and probably because you are trying to win an argument. nobody on this board is proud of jerry. all you have to do is look at past 28+ years results without having Johnson next to him.

and who did we want in FA that we couldn't sign? or didn't sign last year? we had a #1 reciever on the team and chose to ship him out for 5th round pick. only to go out and trade for a lesser WR this year.... that's stupidity

 

[kskboys]

BS. contracts get reworked. we could have used it and reworked additional contracts and push dead money to future. all teams, competing do the same because of the window they are in and then there is dead cap, they suck, they go drafting at the top and go rebuilding. there are still contracts we could have redone this year, but didn't need.

you are probably the only person who is proud of Jerry, and probably because you are trying to win an argument. nobody on this board is proud of jerry. all you have to do is look at past 28+ years results without having Johnson next to him.

and who did we want in FA that we couldn't sign? or didn't sign last year? we had a #1 reciever on the team and chose to ship him out for 5th round pick. only to go out and trade for a lesser WR this year.... that's stupidity

Man, your post absolutely reeks of bad feelings you are harboring. Your little insult is noted. It would have a lot more emphasis if you understood capitalization!!!!!

Unlike you, I call them as I see them. Jerry is mostly a negative, so when he finally does something right, I acknowledge it. You don't appear to have the mental acuity to do so!!!!

There, are you happy now that I responded to your little insult war? Gawdawmighty, I feel abused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[basel90]

For some reason fans think a SB win is only about the QB
Marino must have been the worst QB ever lol

3 mistakes you are making in this comment

1) marino actually took his team to a super bowl early on in his career in 1984 and if it was not for Montana one of the GOATs , he may have won.
2) Dak is not close to Dan Marino , I you think they are comparable , get your eyes checked.
3) Marino never had the weapons Dak has been afforded. Miami languished for years under an older Shula and a terrible front office.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Man, your post absolutely reeks of bad feelings you are harboring. Your little insult is noted. It would have a lot more emphasis if you understood capitalization!!!!!

Unlike you, I call them as I see them. Jerry is mostly a negative, so when he finally does something right, I acknowledge it. You don't appear to have the mental acuity to do so!!!!

There, are you happy now that I responded to your little insult war? Gawdawmighty, I feel abused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What insult? perhaps you are being overly sensitive that I am not fawning over what you said!!! and that seemingly is getting you upset. I did not insult you, I insulted Jerry jones and his stupidity. but not sure if you are the ghost account of jerry jones, given you took it personally. you need to re-read my response, seems like you had a ready answer and regardless of what I said you were going to say what you wanted to say.

Jerry is mostly negative, yes, more like +90% negative. 28 years. people may point to romo or dak or whatever, but Jerry is at the end of it all. most of his moves are stupid

if me calling jerry offends you, then so be it. given you insulted me, seems like your stupidity aligns with Jerry's. after all you are defending him!!!!

no you can really be offended.