CFZ Dak is Good Enough to Drive the Bus

[817Gill]

What are you talking about? This is not even close to correct.

The safety is still there and has inside leverage on 86, who is clearly running a skinny post right at the safety. If that route turns into a flag towards the front pilon, the backside corner is dropping.

@DandyDon52

 

[817Gill]

You’re watching from a Birds Eye view. With where the safety is positioned and with it being a blitz which requires a quicker throw, it makes perfect sense why he didn’t go to Shultz. It’s also looking like an in-breaking route which would make this a lot more contested than you’re imagining.

We have to keep in mind that every play you can go back from the sky view and find a potentially better option for a big play. It’s just not an accurate way to judge a decision.

@DandyDon52

 

[KJJ]

Ask Baltimore about that being neccessary...I don't know, I've heard that truck drivers make good chefs as well.

Baltimore won their Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer over 20 years ago and the game has changed plus they had one of the all-time great defenses. If you’re referring to Flacco, that was over 10 years ago and he played outstanding in the playoffs and Super Bowl.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Here is where you guys are getting it way wrong. Look at the video once again.



Dak should have realized it was #97, a stand up DE, trying to cover Dalton Schultz at the line of scrimmage. THAT should have been his first sign of who to throw to in case the DE follows Schultz, which he initially did 2-3 steps before running over to help cover CeeDee. There is no way a DE can keep up with Dalton Schultz.

Secondly, when the ball is hiked, Dak first looked at Dalton Schultz before looking over and throwing it to the much more covered CeeDee Lamb. The Lions knew this, hence why the stand up DE covering Schultz immediately rubbed off and ran over to help cover CeeDee over the middle. Dak badly failed to realize this both pre-snap and after the snap. Dalton Schultz was wide open running his fly/go route. Nobody was within 7-8 yards of Schultz!

The correct read and throw should have been to Dalton Schultz. It would have gone for a TD. Instead, Dak obviously pre-snap had his mind set on throwing it to CeeDee, hence Dak first looked at Dalton before looking over and throwing it to CeeDee. The Lions knew this since they had their DE immediately let Schultz run right past him wide open as the DE ran inside to help cover CeeDee. Dak got it wrong. The Lions guessed correctly. The only thing that helped Dak was he was able to squeeze that tight throw into CeeDee with 3 defenders around him, but the better and correct read was Dak should have noticed pre-snap how the DE was covering Dalton at the line of scrimmage, thus it should have made Dak realize Dalton was the one who would become wide open.

@khiladi Correct me if I'm wrong. Do you see what I'm seeing and what others are not seeing?

@DandyDon52

Don't listen to @817Gill , @Mac_MaloneV1 and several other fellow Dak supporters. They mean well and are standing up for Dak, but they are absolutely wrong. Everyone here knows there is no bigger Dak supporter than me, but Dak should have thrown it to a wide open Dalton Schultz for what should have been an easy 41 yard passing TD for the reason I explained up above. ^^^^

 

[SiCk_DiAbLo]

 

[T-RO]

Let me ask you a few questions, if you want to be taken seriously.

1. How many Cowboys were out running routes on that play? How many 'reads' were there?
2. How many "reads" can a QB process at one time?
3. How much time did Dak have to throw that before getting blown up?
4. Is Ceedee running deep vs. just a linebacker a 'go-now' read?

I'll wait.

 

[CCBoy]

Let me ask you a few questions, if you want to be taken seriously.

1. How many Cowboys were out running routes on that play? How many 'reads' were there?
2. How many "reads" can a QB process at one time?
3. How much time did Dak have to throw that before getting blown up?
4. Is Ceedee running deep vs. just a linebacker a 'go-now' read?

I'll wait.

Thanks for the right kind of questions. There's just no right way to do the wrong thing.

 

[CowboyoWales]

the point is that you can get to the superbowl and win it, without an elite QB. is it easier having an Elite QB? yes absolutely. and you notice two names dominate, which is essentially Brady and Mahomes. that accounts for 9 of them. both generational type QBs. Lucky Pats, Lucky Chiefs.

so then I ask everyone to go out and get us an Elite QB. there is a reason they are elite. 80% of first oround QBs fail. about 70% of the top 10 are not elite. so yes, there is a chance, but small chance and the chance is better if you are higher in the draft. drafting in lower part of first round doesn't get it done (rodgers is an exception but remember he had tons of question marks, that's why he dropped, Brees was 2nd rounder, but was let go from Chargers as nobody thought he could be). and it depends on the year you draft even if you have top 2 picks. are you going to get a Mayfield? ora Burrows? are you going to get a Turbiskey, where in the same draft Mahomes dropped because they didn't think his game would translate to NFL.

Not arguing with your points, but you've answered your own ..... "go out and get us an Elite QB" question. The alternative to Dak (if for me, he cant show the necessary composure to indicate he can overcome adversity to win), is we do exactly as you say, accept there are only a minimal number of elite QB's, so go and use the organizational strength (McClay with his Draft/Scouting Team) to draft someone you like and use the CAP saving to strengthen the roster for the rookie QB (ala 2016).

 

[Hadenough]

Very nice breakdown, no doubt!! But... how is it that Manning and Brees had the same number of playoff wins as Dak, the guy with bad mechanics, I their 5 or so seasons???

Wait.

How can a quarterback with the worst throws and mechanics you've ever seen do these thing......

1. Dak is the third player in HISTORY with 100+ td passes and 20+ rush tds in his first 5 seasons.

2. Dak is tied for the most game winning drives in his first four seasons.

3. Dak is tied for the most 100+ passer rating games in his first four seasons

4. The Cowboys are 31-3 in his first couple of seasons when he had a 100+ passer rating.

5. Dak had the sixth highest touchdown to interception ratio in NFL HISTORY is first four or five years.


Ok, so do you care to explain how a quarterback like Dak with the worst passing motion and bad mechanics you've ever seen be able to pull off some things most quarterbacks in HISTORY haven't done in their first 4 or 5 seasons??

Because what you're saying doesn't line up with what happened in Dak's earlier years. I'm listening....

It's called playing in the worst division in football combined with being a good front runner. Stats are misleading to those who can't see. Just watch How Purdy outplayed the stat king.

 

[CowboyoWales]

It's called playing in the worst division in football combined with being a good front runner. Stats are misleading to those who can't see. Just watch How Purdy outplayed the stat king.

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@GINeric this is one of the reasons why there's such a discrepancy (especially over the last couple of years) between Dak's QBR and Rating.

 

[DandyDon52]

It's called playing in the worst division in football combined with being a good front runner. Stats are misleading to those who can't see. Just watch How Purdy outplayed the stat king.

dak is all pro when it comes to stats.

 

[DandyDon52]

Very nice breakdown, no doubt!! But... how is it that Manning and Brees had the same number of playoff wins as Dak, the guy with bad mechanics, I their 5 or so seasons???

Wait.

How can a quarterback with the worst throws and mechanics you've ever seen do these thing......

1. Dak is the third player in HISTORY with 100+ td passes and 20+ rush tds in his first 5 seasons.

2. Dak is tied for the most game winning drives in his first four seasons.

3. Dak is tied for the most 100+ passer rating games in his first four seasons

4. The Cowboys are 31-3 in his first couple of seasons when he had a 100+ passer rating.

5. Dak had the sixth highest touchdown to interception ratio in NFL HISTORY is first four or five years.


Ok, so do you care to explain how a quarterback like Dak with the worst passing motion and bad mechanics you've ever seen be able to pull off some things most quarterbacks in HISTORY haven't done in their first 4 or 5 seasons??

Because what you're saying doesn't line up with what happened in Dak's earlier years. I'm listening....

one thing I see is your using daks first 4 years , so it would seem he is regressing instead of getting better.

 

[DZSierra]

one thing I see is your using daks first 4 years , so it would seem he is regressing instead of getting better.

2022 was his worst year. 2021 was one of his best years.

Hopefully last year was just a fluke.

Lets face it, football is a team sport and there are a lot of variables from every position that come into play, including the coaching, and sometimes the stars have to align just right for the team to make it to the Super Bowl (let alone all the crap inside the clubhouse that you don't see).

There is a good possibility with new players and good QB play, the Cowboys could be in position to make a good run this year. I think it's unlikely that Dak will have the kind of year last year this year, but if he does, I don't see a contract extension coming. He got his money at the time, it's now time to put up or shut up. That said, and perhaps I'm wrong, but if Jerry "likes his guys", throw being a good GM out the window. It's marketing baby and if the team is making money, why complain!? This is the purgatory that Cowboys fans have lived in over the last 20 years plus IMO

 

[GINeric]

one thing I see is your using daks first 4 years , so it would seem he is regressing instead of getting better.

Well he said Dak had the worst throws and mechanics that he has ever seen coming into the league. So what time frame was I supposed to use???

His freshman year in college??

Since you're chiming in, maybe you can explain how a quarterback with so many flaws in his mechanics was able to do things many quarterbacks in history weren't able to do??

 

[CowboyoWales]

2021 was one of his best years.

His career low QBR possibly indicates he may have feasted on the weak ....something nobody ever denies he's capable of.

 

[12+88=7]

This is a great point. So what does that say about Aaron Rodgers?? He's only won one with MM and nothing after that. Rodgers is said to be one of the greatest ever.... but apparently can't get over the hump in the playoffs.


So according to your measuring stick of winning in the playoffs, how do you view Aaron Rodgers?

That's how Dallas is judged. You constantly hear 27 years and counting. So that is how the QB of Dallas is judged.

If Aaron Rodgers does nothing else he will be in the HOF. You should have used the usual go to guy to guy to make your point, Dan Marino. "Marino never won anything, how do you view him"?

Stop deflecting. This is about Dallas and Prescott. He is entering his 8th year. He's in "sheet or get off the pot" territory. No one cares about his stats anymore. It's win or move on.

 

[CowboyoWales]

That's how Dallas is judged. You constantly hear 27 years and counting. So that is how the QB of Dallas is judged.

If Aaron Rodgers does nothing else he will be in the HOF. You should have used the usual go to guy to guy to make your point, Dan Marino. "Marino never won anything, how do you view him"?

Stop deflecting. This is about Dallas and Prescott. He is entering his 8th year. He's in "sheet or get off the pot" territory. No one cares about his stats anymore. It's win or move on.

Yep, the classic 'what about...' argument. Let's win one (or at least two consecutive play-off games) before we start elevating Dak into the conversation with those who've succeeded (even if it were during a limited timescale).

 

[GINeric]

It's called playing in the worst division in football combined with being a good front runner. Stats are misleading to those who can't see. Just watch How Purdy outplayed the stat king.

Ohhhh.... so that's what it's called. Well I believe we all agree that Brady is the GOAT. But Brady played in the weakest division (AFCE) for 20 years. Nobody talks about that though.


With that said.... if Dak only benefited from playing in a weak division. Why weren't the other starting quarterbacks in Dak's same division able to take advantage of such a weak division like Dak was able to then???

As a matter of fact, the Commanders beat Brady and Rodgers two seasons ago. How in the world did Brady and Rodgers lose to a Commanders team that Dak has owned his whole career???

I can't wait to read your response, but until then.... this is just another example of "when Dak is able to do something good, it's because of the bad things that another team is going through."


Prime example - People would say, Dak only won one playoff game in his first 5 or 6 seasons so he sucks.

I would then say, well Peyton Manning and Drew Brees only won one playoff game in their first 5 or 6 seasons as well AND Dak had a better winning percentage and overall numbers. So explain why those two quarterbacks were only able to win one playoff game in the same time frame as Dak???


Their response is - "oh well that's different. That's because (insert the variety of excuses)"

This **** is hilariously comical man. The goal post moving is phenomenal on this board. Numbers and stats count for every other quarterback, except for Dak.

 

[GINeric]

That's how Dallas is judged. You constantly hear 27 years and counting. So that is how the QB of Dallas is judged.

If Aaron Rodgers does nothing else he will be in the HOF. You should have used the usual go to guy to guy to make your point, Dan Marino. "Marino never won anything, how do you view him"?

Stop deflecting. This is about Dallas and Prescott. He is entering his 8th year. He's in "sheet or get off the pot" territory. No one cares about his stats anymore. It's win or move on.

I have no problem with that and feel the same way. But again, Dak only played 6 full seasons of football due to injury. Many of those quarterbacks I've named didn't go to OR win Superbowls in 6 or 7 full seasons.

Do I need to give you a list of quarterbacks who weren't abandoned after not winning a superbowl in 6 or 7 seasons?? Will your hypocritical double standard apply to them as well when I tell you who they are??

Or is this just a double standard rule that only applies to Dak according to your logic. Just let me know.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

More excuses for not winning. He needs to put together 3 or 4 good playoff performances in a row. Take the team on his back against a good defense. That's the only way we're going to win a SB with Dak. Beating up bad teams in the regular season isn't going to cut it. He's going into his 8th season. It's time for him to step up. Anything else is just excuses.