CFZ Dak is Good Enough to Drive the Bus

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The 49ers had Mr. Irrelevant as their starting QB.
Question for you...Which is closer to the truth...
A. Brock Purdy will follow his draft position and be largely irrelevant.
B. Brock Purdy will earn a pro-bowl bid.

The mic is yours. Eager to hear your answer...and most importantly WHY
 

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Wow, I watched that and you hit that nail square on the head! Shultz was WIDE open! He would've been an EASY TD. It looked like Dak had time to find him, but simply didn't look in that direction.
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yeah dak threw it just as 86 broke open, and instead threw to a closely guarded wr. Not all on dak , but he focused entirely on the #1 read and forced it in.
 

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Certainly.....

I looked up the stats to see how Dak's career figures stacked up when he had a lead as opposed to in hurry-up offense when trailing....the findings are quite dramatic.

Dak
Leading <2 min to go - 146 RTG
Leading <4 min to go - 106
Trailing <2 min to go - 55
Trailing <4 - 73

Excellent when he had a lead, but dramatic downturn when chasing. Just for a bit of context: Allen, Stafford and Cousins all had Ratings of over 80 in each of the trailing categories and the differential between leading/trailing remained about 20 pts.

Mr Hyde does seem to come out when the pressure's on and the clocks ticking.
Interesting.

I wonder what Tony Romo's stats were? I bring up Romo because he pretty much owns all Cowboys franchise QB records, including most 4th Quarter Comebacks (24) and Game Winning Drives (29). Romo accomplished this in roughly 9 years of starting/playing games, even though he was a Cowboy for 13 years (his first 2 and last 1 he was on the bench, while he missed roughly another year's worth of games due to injuries).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm

Everyone knows Romo not only holds most, if not all, Cowboys franchise records, but he's also the franchise leader in 4th Quarter Comebacks and Game Winning Drives.

Ironically, even though Dak has been a Cowboy for 7 years, he's only played/started in 6 due to he missing up to 1 year total in games due to injuries. Yet, in 6 years of playing, Dak has 12 4th Quarter Comebacks and 19 Game Winning Drives.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm

It's safe to say that Dak has 3 more full years of starting to equal the amount of games/years Romo had in total. It's also safe to say if Dak stays healthy, he most likely will surpass Romo's 29 Game Winning Drives since Dak only needs 10 more to tie Romo. As for still needing another 12 more 4th Quarter Comebacks to tie Romo, I don't believe Dak will surpass that in only 3 years left of play.

Still, Romo averaged a 65.3% completions %... while Dak has averaged 66.6% completions. Also, Romo has 34,183 total passing yards with 248 career passing TDs but 117 career INTs. Meanwhile, Dak has roughly 25,000 total passing yards with 166 career passing TDs and only 65 INTs. So much for the false accusations that Dak is an INT turnover machine. Dak has a chance to pass Romo in total passing yards if he averages just over 300 yards passing per game these last 3 years, and he definitely will never come close to throwing anywhere near as many INTs as Romo. Dak most likely will not reach or pass Romo's 248 career passing TDs or 4th Quarter Comebacks, but everything else seems reachable.

Dak also averages 257.1 passing yards per game, while Romo averaged 219.1 passing yards per game. Also, Dak has a higher career passer rating (97.8) compared to Romo (97.1). Most everyone states Romo is the Cowboys franchise best passer, yet Dak has better numbers (or is within reach of passing a few others) than Romo. Yet, Dak is not a good passer but instead is a choke artist? Hmm, sorry but the numbers don't add up. If anything, Dak is on pace to break most of Romo's franchise passing records and become the Cowboys franchise statistical passing leader.

Romo was very good, and the numbers show Dak is pretty good as well.
 

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Interesting.

I wonder what Tony Romo's stats were? I bring up Romo because he pretty much owns all Cowboys franchise QB records, including most 4th Quarter Comebacks (24) and Game Winning Drives (29). Romo accomplished this in roughly 9 years of starting/playing games, even though he was a Cowboy for 13 years (his first 2 and last 1 he was on the bench, while he missed roughly another year's worth of games due to injuries).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm

Everyone knows Romo not only holds most, if not all, Cowboys franchise records, but he's also the franchise leader in 4th Quarter Comebacks and Game Winning Drives.

Ironically, even though Dak has been a Cowboy for 7 years, he's only played/started in 6 due to he missing up to 1 year total in games due to injuries. Yet, in 6 years of playing, Dak has 12 4th Quarter Comebacks and 19 Game Winning Drives.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm

It's safe to say that Dak has 3 more full years of starting to equal the amount of games/years Romo had in total. It's also safe to say if Dak stays healthy, he most likely will surpass Romo's 29 Game Winning Drives since Dak only needs 10 more to tie Romo. As for still needing another 12 more 4th Quarter Comebacks to tie Romo, I don't believe Dak will surpass that in only 3 years left of play.

Still, Romo averaged a 65.3% completions %... while Dak has averaged 66.6% completions. Also, Romo has 34,183 total passing yards with 248 career passing TDs but 117 career INTs. Meanwhile, Dak has roughly 25,000 total passing yards with 166 career passing TDs and only 65 INTs. So much for the false accusations that Dak is an INT turnover machine. Dak has a chance to pass Romo in total passing yards if he averages just over 300 yards passing per game these last 3 years, and he definitely will never come close to throwing anywhere near as many INTs as Romo. Dak most likely will not reach or pass Romo's 248 career passing TDs or 4th Quarter Comebacks, but everything else seems reachable.

Dak also averages 257.1 passing yards per game, while Romo averaged 219.1 passing yards per game. Also, Dak has a higher career passer rating (97.8) compared to Romo (97.1). Most everyone states Romo is the Cowboys franchise best passer, yet Dak has better numbers (or is within reach of passing a few others) than Romo. Yet, Dak is not a good passer or a choke artist? Hmm, sorry but the numbers don't add up. If anything, Dak is on pace to break most of Romo's franchise passing records and become the Cowboys franchise statistical passing leader.

Romo was very good, and the numbers show Dak is pretty good as well.
Romo's an irrelevance, he wasnt a winner either (I never understand why he even get's brought up). The issue here is interesting, (well to me), as ive suffered anxiety concerns and found that my performance would deteriorate when faced with unexpected challenges especially under time constraints.....indeed it resulted in poor, rushed judgement.

Those >2min figure are alarming (when compared to his none figures when leading and when compared to his contemporaries) I just think we get obsessed with apportioning blame rather than facing this stark as ONE big reason for our failures.
 

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Romo's an irrelevance, he wasnt a winner either (I never understand why he even get's brought up). The issue here is interesting, (well to me), as ive suffered anxiety concerns and found that my performance would deteriorate when faced with unexpected challenges especially under time constraints.....indeed it resulted in poor, rushed judgement.

Those >2min figure are alarming (when compared to his none figures when leading and when compared to his contemporaries) I just think we get obsessed with apportioning blame rather than facing this stark as ONE big reason for our failures.
I don't see it as a failure, especially when Dak has good overall numbers, including good 4th Quarter Comebacks and Game Winning Drives. Those numbers you posted about being behind in points late in games that have led to losses could be a reflection of late-game penalties on the Oline, RBs or WRs, someone breaking apart or committing drive-killing penalties, thus leading to game losses. It sure isn't Dak throwing game-costing INTs since his overall career INTs are very low and roughly half of what Romo had throughout his career in barely 3 more years of playing time. So one can't simply just blame it on Dak without the proper context and game tape to review for those losses.
 

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Romo's an irrelevance, he wasnt a winner either (I never understand why he even get's brought up). The issue here is interesting, (well to me), as ive suffered anxiety concerns and found that my performance would deteriorate when faced with unexpected challenges especially under time constraints.....indeed it resulted in poor, rushed judgement.

Those >2min figure are alarming (when compared to his none figures when leading and when compared to his contemporaries) I just think we get obsessed with apportioning blame rather than facing this stark as ONE big reason for our failures.
Because apportioning blame does not assign blame. If the blame is known, it can be dealt with. With the specific person who creates the cause for this blame.
 

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I don't see it as a failure, especially when Dak has good overall numbers, including good 4th Quarter Comebacks and Game Winning Drives. Those numbers you posted about being behind in points late in games that have led to losses could be a reflection of late-game penalties on the Oline, RBs or WRs, someone breaking apart or committing drive-killing penalties, thus leading to game losses. It sure isn't Dak throwing game-costing INTs since his overall career INTs are very low and roughly half of what Romo had throughout his career in barely 3 more years of playing time. So one can't simply just blame it on Dak without the proper context and game tape to review for those losses.
No it doesn't, it's rating and purely on Dak. The comebacks were quoted in that thread, interestingly most were 2016/2017 and resulted in a FG... when he needed a TD (and especially more recently), he comes up short.
Good to see you then turn to head in the ground ... nobody is saying its ALL Dak, but this instance he's the MAJOR factor, otherwise his stats (like Cousins, Stafford, Allen) would be more consistence.
PS...I'm not a Romo fan, so not getting deflected by that dead cat.
 

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Because apportioning blame does not assign blame. If the blame is known, it can be dealt with. With the specific person who creates the cause for this blame.
The comparative data would/should be similar to his contemporaries, and with other game scenario's. The fact his figures are so inferior with >2min and trailing and spans numerous roster changes, different OC's and that the only consistent is him touching the ball (unless the Center's to blame) all add up to indications that this is a problem..... oh I nearly forgot, the evidence of the composure meltdown in SF 1 and 2.
 

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No it doesn't, it's rating and purely on Dak. The comebacks were quoted in that thread, interestingly most were 2016/2017 and resulted in a FG... when he needed a TD (and especially more recently), he comes up short.
Good to see you then turn to head in the ground ... nobody is saying its ALL Dak, but this instance he's the MAJOR factor, otherwise his stats (like Cousins, Stafford, Allen) would be more consistence.
PS...I'm not a Romo fan, so not getting deflected by that dead cat.
Ironic how you failed to mention all the weapons, better Olines and playcallers Cousins, Stafford and Allen had at their disposal compared to Dak. Give Dak some more weapons, better Oline and better playcalling. Then you can compare apples to apples.
 

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Ironic how you failed to mention all the weapons, better Olines and playcallers Cousins, Stafford and Allen had at their disposal compared to Dak. Give Dak some more weapons, better Oline and better playcalling. Then you can compare apples to apples.
:huh:....those were career stats. I'm sure Dak's had a comparative (if not better O-line)....First three years didn't he have 3 first round picks.
I see you're trying to scrape up an excuse rather than face what's in front of you, so I'll leave you to it.
 

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:huh:....those were career stats. I'm sure Dak's had a comparative (if not better O-line)....First three years didn't he have 3 first round picks.
I see you're trying to scrape up an excuse rather than face what's in front of you, so I'll leave you to it.
Uhhh, you even said yourself Dak had more 4th Quarter Comebacks and Game Winning Drives his first 3+ seasons. That's when he had a better Oline. His Oline the past 3 years has been old and often injured. Get him a better/healthier Oline, some weapons and better playcalling, you will see Dak's numbers improve. Next time dissect his career stats and add context to them.
 

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watch shultz on this play, he was wide open behind defender, if dak throws to him it is a TD!

so dont know if I would use this play to show how smart dak is lol

Wow, I watched that and you hit that nail square on the head! Shultz was WIDE open! He would've been an EASY TD. It looked like Dak had time to find him, but simply didn't look in that direction.
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The defense blitzed, so its in the qb's best interest to get rid of the ball asap. If Dak had went thru reads, found Schultz and got blindsided on the throw by a blitzing player... yall would call him every bad name in the book.

If the def. didnt blitz, yall would have a point.
 
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For entire duration, he does. Against good teams and a lot of injuries, things get a lot tougher.

Moore didn't make winners of his men...
I'm not saying Dak never takes care of the ball. He's just inconsistent at it enough to prevent a deep playoff run.
 

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Uhhh, you even said yourself Dak had more 4th Quarter Comebacks and Game Winning Drives his first 3+ seasons. That's when he had a better Oline. His Oline the past 3 years has been old and often injured. Get him a better/healthier Oline, some weapons and better playcalling, you will see Dak's numbers improve. Next time dissect his career stats and add context to them.
News just in....Dak isn't getting younger, and stop the press the O-Line isn't improving any time soon especially as Martin has a couple of years left at best.
Not that this is the topic at hand, however, he's not getting more weapons if he's extended... expectations will be on him (in games he's trailing as well as the games he's eminently capable of driving....whe he's got the lead).
You're trying to firefight excuses and trying to shift the blame.
 

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News just in....Dak isn't getting younger, and stop the press the O-Line isn't improving any time soon especially as Martin has a couple of years left at best.
Not that this is the topic at hand, however, he's not getting more weapons if he's extended... expectations will be on him (in games he's trailing as well as the games he's eminently capable of driving....whe he's got the lead).
You're trying to firefight excuses and trying to shift the blame.
I'm not shifting anything. Mike Martz broke down every one of Dak's INTs, and he clearly explained himself how more than half of those INTs were not on Dak...and why not. Now you come up with some lame out-of-context stat to put blame on Dak, yet I just ripped your theory apart. So you refuse to put those end-of-games stats into proper context (including videos to support your thesis), and you believe you know more than Mike Martz?

LOL :laugh:
 

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The teams overcome difficulties. It's not always the QB. That's where it gets skewed. It isn't that everything needs to work for the team to succeed with Dak. It's that there are times when other parts of the team have to carry the load and times when he has to carry the load.

A couple of years ago, I went back and watched the golden days of Cowboys football with Roger Staubach at QB. There were times when Staubach played pretty poorly for a half in a playoff game, but the running game or the defense kept us either close or ahead, and Staubach would eventually come through. He would not have had that chance if the defense had played poorly or the running game didn't work. The next game, Staubach might have been brilliant, but there wouldn't have been a next game if the defense/running game had not come through.

The easy thing to do when the team wins is give the QB too much credit. And the easy thing to do when the team loses is give the QB too much blame. They are just part of the operation. Yes, they are a major part, but they are not the operation. The QBs we've had that have won Super Bowls have done it because of the teams they were on, because of the coaches they had as much, if not more so, than because of their own ability.
Great post.
 

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I'm not shifting anything. Mike Martz broke down every one of Dak's INTs, and he clearly explained himself how more than half of those INTs were not on Dak...and why not. Now you come up with some lame out-of-context stat to put blame on Dak, yet I just ripped your theory apart. So you refuse to put those end-of-games stats into proper context (including videos to support your thesis), and you believe you know more than Mike Martz?

LOL :laugh:
:huh: what are you on about, I've never mentioned INTERCEPTION's . That's another Dead Cat, trying to change the dialogue. The stats are stark evidence that Dak's rating >2min (and trailing) is worrying low (in comparison to his general stats and against his peers).
 

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:huh: what are you on about, I've never mentioned INTERCEPTION's . That's another Dead Cat, trying to change the dialogue. The stats are stark evidence that Dak's rating >2min (and trailing) is worrying low (in comparison to his general stats and against his peers).
Apples to Oranges when his peers have much better weapons, better Olines and better playcallers. It's not that hard to understand......unless you've got an agenda.
 

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Apples to Oranges when his peers have much better weapons, better Olines and better playcallers. It's not that hard to understand......unless you've got an agenda.
So how come there's no disparity between Dak and peers in all other stats (other than trailing >2m)????
I'll hang up and wait for your Dead Cat.
 
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