CFZ Dak is Good Enough to Drive the Bus

When Tony Pollard went down in the 49er playoff game the score 6-6, Dallas sat 1st and 10 at SF 26. Great shot to go up a touchdown, until that injury.

Funny how stupid fans want to judge a QB or OC with this reality: Dallas played the rest of the game with 0 legitimate RBs and 1 legitimate, non-lame WR.
 
It's funny when you think about it. The best year we've had with Dak at QB was his rookie season. Dallas went 13-2 with him at QB and all he did that year was drive the bus. We won games with a ball control offense despite our bad defense. Dak threw a couple times for over 300 yards. He threw for under 200 yards in more games than 300 yards.
 
T-RO said:
When Tony Pollard went down in the 49er playoff game the score 6-6, Dallas sat 1st and 10 at SF 26. Great shot to go up a touchdown, until that injury.

Funny how stupid fans want to judge a QB or OC with this reality: Dallas played the rest of the game with 0 legitimate RBs and 1 legitimate, non-lame WR.
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......and what happened the very next play after Tony went down?
 
Last offseason, the Cowboys traded Amari Cooper to Cleveland, hurting the overall strength of their receiving corps while creating salary-cap solvency. Unsurprisingly, Prescott’s numbers dipped in 2022. If you need one metric that illustrates a lack of downfield effectiveness from Dallas’ passing game as a whole, look at Prescott’s expected completion percentage on deep attempts, which fell short of 30. This suggests the Cowboys’ lack of firepower helped opposing defenses limit Dallas’ downfield opportunities.

Prescott’s ability to overcome disadvantages on deep throws is a big part of what landed him at No. 4 here. Among the quarterbacks on this list, Prescott finished with the third-highest completion percentage over expected. His TD-to-INT ratio on such attempts boosted his EPA to +28.9 on deep attempts. The gross totals weren’t gaudy; Prescott was the only quarterback in this ranking to fall short of 500 yards on deep attempts (keep in mind that he missed five games last season due to injury). But he was still highly productive despite having just one pass-catcher (CeeDee Lamb) log more than two deep catches last season.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...ted-among-best-deep-passing-quarterbacks-2022
 
T-RO said:
When Tony Pollard went down in the 49er playoff game the score 6-6, Dallas sat 1st and 10 at SF 26. Great shot to go up a touchdown, until that injury.

Funny how stupid fans want to judge a QB or OC with this reality: Dallas played the rest of the game with 0 legitimate RBs and 1 legitimate, non-lame WR.
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Whose the stupid fan... Would Brady need a RB to win a big game...Now everyone laugh out loud.
 
If you are curious, the only quarterbacks ahead of Dak here (going from third to first) are Jalen Hurts, Tua Tagovailoa and Geno Smith. All three of them had solid seasons after beginning the year (2022 that is) with some questions. Dak is the only one of the top four to have had an established presence with his team prior to the 2022 season and to deliver high marks.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...ted-among-best-deep-passing-quarterbacks-2022
 
CowboyoWales said:
Firstly, I never said he 'never' played well against good teams.
Allen and Stafford have both exceeded Dak's achievements. Again, the concern is that Dak needs weapons and weapons cost CAP.....with Dak it's that he's not showing that he can step up when needed and that's the crux of the payment question.
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Every QB needs weapons thats their point, Mahomes is by far the best QB in the league and he needs them also...Stafford needed cap crippling allpros on both sides of the ball to get there, the next year the cap levy broke he was not "Showing up". Stafford is the same QB the team was much diferent. A-rod Same QB much diferent team...If we equate bus driving to needing weapons then all QB's are for sure bus drivers. Now if we are going Tampa Trent Dilfer style "Hey we are good with 10 points and no TO's the defense has got this" then you can get a true Bus Driving QB but I'm not sold that would work in todays NFL that is ruled for scoring.
 
CowboyoWales said:
Cough, cough.....Dak's rating >2mins and trailing, plus the discrepancy, especially in the last two seasons between Dak's Rating and QBR. Now there's an argument that all QB's face the same disparity, however, checking/comparing the >2 min stats with: Allen, Stafford and even Cousins you'll find Dak's stats are dramatically inferior....it does appear the issue is clutch time. Not insurmountable, but we have to accept that Dak/We have a problem executing late on and chasing.
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Could you please show the >2 minutes stats for the past 2 seasons as you insinuated. Would be nice to see some evidence. Thanks.
 
CowboyFrog said:
Every QB needs weapons thats their point, Mahomes is by far the best QB in the league and he needs them also...Stafford needed cap crippling allpros on both sides of the ball to get there, the next year the cap levy broke he was not "Showing up". Stafford is the same QB the team was much diferent. A-rod Same QB much diferent team...If we equate bus driving to needing weapons then all QB's are for sure bus drivers. Now if we are going Tampa Trent Dilfer style "Hey we are good with 10 points and no TO's the defense has got this" then you can get a true Bus Driving QB but I'm not sold that would work in todays NFL that is ruled for scoring.
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:hammer::hammer:

Ouch, Froggy! Why you gotta be so mean?
:muttley::laugh::flagwave:
 
LittleD said:
Bus drivers always need loads of help...Championship QB's will their teams to victory. They always have help but, make the difference in a few plays that matter.
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Wow... I agree Mahomes is good but 1 vs 11 he has no chance, but hey he will always have his "Will"
 
CowboyFrog said:
Wow... I agree Mahomes is good but 1 vs 11 he has no chance, but hey he will always have his "Will"
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I said guys like Brady and Mahomes had help but, which guys on the team made the real difference at the end of the game. How many big games did Brady drive the team to
win with 2 minutes left on the clock. Mahomes, Brady, Rogers are not bus drivers.
 
LittleD said:
I said guys like Brady and Mahomes had help but, which guys on the team made the real difference at the end of the game. How many big games did Brady drive the team to
win with 2 minutes left on the clock. Mahomes, Brady, Rogers are not bus drivers.
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I would say that 53 men on the roster made a real diference or else they would've lost..your classification of QB's is no matter because its an opinion and those are not factual to begin with...trying to tell me you watched a QB "will the other 10 guys on the field to good plays is ridiculous and is truly unfactual... Im betting Mahomes would laugh at you if you asked him if he felt like he put Travis Kelce on his shoulders that day..lol
 
The Cowboys finished fourth in scoring, averaging 27.47 points a game, and that's missing Dak in the five games Cooper Rush started, the team averaging 21.4 in those games while still going 4-1.
In fact, the Cowboys scored at least 27 points in 10 of the first 12 games in Dak's return until the 12-spot in the 13th against San Francisco. And during that span, in two of the losses the Cowboys scored 28 in the overtime loss in Green Bay (31-28) and 34 in the overtime loss in Jacksonville (40-34), thanks to the unfortunate pass drop by Noah Brown bouncing into an interception return for a walk-off touchdown.

As a quarterback must, and part of the reason they get paid the big bucks, Dak continually toes a fine line when it comes to those 15 interceptions in 11 regular-season games played. And by the way he didn't "lead" the league in interceptions as most say. He technically "tied" for the lead since Houston's Davis Mills also was intercepted 15 times. Hey, Josh Allen and Kirk Cousins each were intercepted 14 times, you know, though playing more games.
https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/spagnola-focusing-on-this-offensive-picture
 
CowboyoWales said:
Yes, the foundation of both game (and why we succeeded in the Bucc's game) is the inability to run the ball (Game1 - penalties, Game 2 - Tony), but that doesnt excuse the fact that sometimes things are going to go wrong....and the ball is in the QB's hands every down. We make give reasons/excuses, but those that succeed overcome difficulties, not surrender to them.

As for Dak.....this is my main (virtually only) concern, everything needs to work, which is highly unlikely when you play the better teams who arent holding back.
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The teams overcome difficulties. It's not always the QB. That's where it gets skewed. It isn't that everything needs to work for the team to succeed with Dak. It's that there are times when other parts of the team have to carry the load and times when he has to carry the load.

A couple of years ago, I went back and watched the golden days of Cowboys football with Roger Staubach at QB. There were times when Staubach played pretty poorly for a half in a playoff game, but the running game or the defense kept us either close or ahead, and Staubach would eventually come through. He would not have had that chance if the defense had played poorly or the running game didn't work. The next game, Staubach might have been brilliant, but there wouldn't have been a next game if the defense/running game had not come through.

The easy thing to do when the team wins is give the QB too much credit. And the easy thing to do when the team loses is give the QB too much blame. They are just part of the operation. Yes, they are a major part, but they are not the operation. The QBs we've had that have won Super Bowls have done it because of the teams they were on, because of the coaches they had as much, if not more so, than because of their own ability.
 
America's Cowboy said:
Could you please show the >2 minutes stats for the past 2 seasons as you insinuated. Would be nice to see some evidence. Thanks.
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Certainly.....

I looked up the stats to see how Dak's career figures stacked up when he had a lead as opposed to in hurry-up offense when trailing....the findings are quite dramatic.

Dak
Leading <2 min to go - 146 RTG
Leading <4 min to go - 106
Trailing <2 min to go - 55
Trailing <4 - 73

Excellent when he had a lead, but dramatic downturn when chasing. Just for a bit of context: Allen, Stafford and Cousins all had Ratings of over 80 in each of the trailing categories and the differential between leading/trailing remained about 20 pts.

Mr Hyde does seem to come out when the pressure's on and the clocks ticking.
 
gimmesix said:
The teams overcome difficulties. It's not always the QB. That's where it gets skewed. It isn't that everything needs to work for the team to succeed with Dak. It's that there are times when other parts of the team have to carry the load and times when he has to carry the load.

The easy thing to do when the team wins is give the QB too much credit. And the easy thing to do when the team loses is give the QB too much blame. They are just part of the operation. Yes, they are a major part, but they are not the operation. The QBs we've had that have won Super Bowls have done it because of the teams they were on, because of the coaches they had as much, if not more so, than because of their own ability.
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Not denying any of that, however, it still doesnt mask the stats (above) and eye test that indicates Dak struggles when trailing and the clock's ticking.

There may well be other factors, but he's the one with the ball in his hands on every play and.....how come he can do it when he hast got the added pressure of chasing the deficit?
 
T-RO said:
When Tony Pollard went down in the 49er playoff game the score 6-6, Dallas sat 1st and 10 at SF 26. Great shot to go up a touchdown, until that injury.

Funny how stupid fans want to judge a QB or OC with this reality: Dallas played the rest of the game with 0 legitimate RBs and 1 legitimate, non-lame WR.
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The 49ers had Mr. Irrelevant as their starting QB.
 
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