49ers and Eagles show you can make a Super Bowl start from scratch and make another one

[1942willys]

The Dak haters are obsessed with hating on Dak. It was the same for Romo. The Dak Stans blame CeeDee and Parsons. The rest blame MM and Quinn.The problem with Cowboys is the Joneses. They need to step down from their posts. I hope for once the media will actually go after them. Broaddus half way said it but backed down by kissing Jerry’s booty. The national media has to attack.

The Dallas Cowboy QB will always take more heat than any other - that is reality
Also reality is that we have to move on from the 4 Stooges (J, S, M, D)
Dak certainly has his share of the failure here and anyone trying to deflect that is a idiot
They ALL need to go and nothing will change until that happens

 

[1942willys]

Prescott is QB1 for at least One more Season and the Jerry Family is FOREVER....

Dak Haters buy in or LEAVE....trust me Dallas Cowboys didn't miss the Tom Landry congregation!

I will celebrate the day Dak is gone just to watch you implode

 

[Jayinem]

Prescott is QB1 for at least One more Season and the Jerry Family is FOREVER....

Dak Haters buy in or LEAVE....trust me Dallas Cowboys didn't miss the Tom Landry congregation!

I'd be fine with one more season only, but Dak is obviously getting an extension. We're probably looking at at least 4 more seasons of Dak Prescott stinking it up in the playoffs.

 

[Blitzen]

a lot of teams miss on draft picks. my point wasn't that other teams hit on everything. but they hit on plenty and they seem to build a more complete team.
I don't consider Lawrence a top player. he is a good player.

and of the list you have of top players Diggs and Parsons are only two defensive players.

and all of the players are weakminded. they don't have dogs in them. they fade when pressure is high. CD pouted on the sideline in playoffs. What in the F....grow balls, show fight. the coach had to come talk to him in the middle of the first quarter....Parsons is another regular season champ. fades at the end of the season. disappeared in the last two playoff games.

Tyron smith is often injured. because of that, he is in the good category, not tops. yes, when healthy and he plays he is good. but the problem is he has missed 5,6 o entire season for 6 years running.

Aubrey...what a lucky find. Anger is good, not great or tops. he is a punter.

Pollard is good to goodish. not very good.
Lewis is good not very good.
armstrong is good, not very good.
hankins is good, not very good.
gilmore is older, he is good, not very good.

we just don't have a team, with the right mix. right mindset. right mentality. they are soft.

Not sure what happened with Ceedee. From all reports, he is an extremely tough minded and competitive player. He wants to win badly, and for the most part has exercised good tact to make his case. I think that he will not be telling anyone exactly why he was so upset-they would be vague even if it’s really bad. What if he’s upset that Dak messed up several reads in the first half and had terrible ball placement? He cannot say those things openly-everyone wants each player to not complain and just play harder. Frustration can boil over when a player notices another player’s bad trends -but can do nothing about it.

Micah’s job becomes infinitely more difficult when the team is trailing and if they are struggling with stopping the run. Micah’s super power is rushing the passer, but it is difficult to consistently provide pressure unless the other team is forced to rely on the pass. He got close a couple of times-gotta credit Jordan some as he was delivering great passes while taking the hit several times.

There are more complete teams, but not that many. Dak is a minor reason for the success of the team-and when competing against teams that match up more evenly or elite teams he can be a liability.

Dak plays very well when the team is dominating with a run game or when the team gets a substantial lead and starts generating turnovers. Dallas does not try to grind the game away with the run-that is not McCarthy’s offense anyway. They build a lead and then use the pass rush to beat the other team into submission. Quinn’s defense has always focused more on shutting down powerful passing attacks, then balanced defending against balanced offenses.

Harbaugh said it best “the Cowboys are collectors of talent.” Andy Reid builds football teams-which Is why Philadelphia had way more success in the last 90’s and early/mid 2000’s. Jones does not understand that major piece-how to amass a team, not just talent.

 

[Creeper]

We've seen nearly every other franchise lap the Cowboys over the last 28 years multiple times, and yet we still have a subsection of the fandom that is too terrified to ever try what these other, more successful franchises do.

First, not every other team has rebuild and been to a conference championship game.

There are lots of teams that have tried to rebuild and failed. The Bears, Giants, Commanders, Panthers, Jets (who have drafted more !Bs than any other team in the league since 2000), etc. The OP picked out 2 teams that had success.

And this ignores that fact Dallas has been through this as well, after Aikman retired.

Tony Romo was the starting QB in Dallas for 10 years. In 2015 he was injured but he began the season as the starting QB. Romo didn't do any more than Dak has done. Romo was the QB when Dallas went 13-3,had a bye and home field, and lost to the wild card Giants when they failed to score more than 17 points. I don't recall Cowboys fans talking about blowing up the franchise and starting over with a new QB then. I don't recall as much chronic complaining about Romo. In fact, to this day people still defend Romo claiming he was better than Dak even though he didn;t do any more than Dak.. But let's ignore the Romo years because that is evidence the problem is not Dak, but something else.

I don't know how anyone could watch the two games yesterday and come away thinking Dak is the problem. Purdy was awful again for most of the game. He threw a big INT and was way off on a number of his passes. His QB rating was 89. Goff's was 88.8. Dak's QB rating against GB was higher than both of them at 89.8. Lamar Jackson's QB rating was 75.5. Sure Purdy brought his team back to win, but Purdy didn't suffer the futility of watching his defense give up easy TDs after he took his offense down the field.

Goff, who many claimed was better than Dak last week after the Lions beat the overrated Bucs, looked awful in teh 2nd half too. A total collapse. If Dak played like either of these two QB, he would be ridiculed mercilessly by Cowboys fans. They would say the Cowboys won despite Dak, or if they lost it would be his fault.

Two things stood out to me in yesterday's games. 1, winning teams have the heart of champions. They step up when they have to and it is not just 1 man. Who thought the Chiefs would shut down the Ravens yesterday? The ravens were the biggest, toughest, runningest, team in the league. They were the favorites. KC man-handled them all over the field. The heart of a champion made them better.

The second thing is, the teams that make the fewest mistakes win. It is not rocket science. The Ravens committed some really stupid penalties that hurt them. Zay Flowers made 3 huge mistakes in a space of about 5 minutes, including fumbling the football 6 inches from the goal line giving the Chiefs a touch back. Cardinal rule, don't reach the football out like that stretching for the goal line in traffic - for exactly that reason. The taunting penalty was even dumber. And Kyle Van Noy was baited into a 15 yard penalty by Taylor Swift's boyfriend. Dumb. Those are the kind of mistakes winning teams avoid. Dallas makes them all the time. Not Dak's fault.

Winning teams have big hearts, and they are disciplined, even under the pressure of big games. Even if Dak had the biggest strongest heart in the league, if the rest of the team plays dumb, and doesn't get up for the big games, Dak still loses.

 

[SlammedZero]

One reason we are screwed is Jerry's age. As we all already know, he getting up there in age and thinks their way works, with the team being "close". I see absolutely no way he is going to blow this thing up and start over. He's going to extend Dak and keep running this thing back thinking one season it's magically going to work.

As a fan.....I'm screwed. You're screwed. We're all screwed. Best thing we can hope for is that this team lucks out and makes a playoff run (which we thought we had this year with Green Bay/Tampa).

 

[Blitzen]

First, not every other team has rebuild and been to a conference championship game.

There are lots of teams that have tried to rebuild and failed. The Bears, Giants, Commanders, Panthers, Jets (who have drafted more !Bs than any other team in the league since 2000), etc. The OP picked out 2 teams that had success.

And this ignores that fact Dallas has been through this as well, after Aikman retired.

Tony Romo was the starting QB in Dallas for 10 years. In 2015 he was injured but he began the season as the starting QB. Romo didn't do any more than Dak has done. Romo was the QB when Dallas went 13-3,had a bye and home field, and lost to the wild card Giants when they failed to score more than 17 points. I don't recall Cowboys fans talking about blowing up the franchise and starting over with a new QB then. I don't recall as much chronic complaining about Romo. In fact, to this day people still defend Romo claiming he was better than Dak even though he didn;t do any more than Dak.. But let's ignore the Romo years because that is evidence the problem is not Dak, but something else.

I don't know how anyone could watch the two games yesterday and come away thinking Dak is the problem. Purdy was awful again for most of the game. He threw a big INT and was way off on a number of his passes. His QB rating was 89. Goff's was 88.8. Dak's QB rating against GB was higher than both of them at 89.8. Lamar Jackson's QB rating was 75.5. Sure Purdy brought his team back to win, but Purdy didn't suffer the futility of watching his defense give up easy TDs after he took his offense down the field.

Goff, who many claimed was better than Dak last week after the Lions beat the overrated Bucs, looked awful in teh 2nd half too. A total collapse. If Dak played like either of these two QB, he would be ridiculed mercilessly by Cowboys fans. They would say the Cowboys won despite Dak, or if they lost it would be his fault.

Two things stood out to me in yesterday's games. 1, winning teams have the heart of champions. They step up when they have to and it is not just 1 man. Who thought the Chiefs would shut down the Ravens yesterday? The ravens were the biggest, toughest, runningest, team in the league. They were the favorites. KC man-handled them all over the field. The heart of a champion made them better.

The second thing is, the teams that make the fewest mistakes win. It is not rocket science. The Ravens committed some really stupid penalties that hurt them. Zay Flowers made 3 huge mistakes in a space of about 5 minutes, including fumbling the football 6 inches from the goal line giving the Chiefs a touch back. Cardinal rule, don't reach the football out like that stretching for the goal line in traffic - for exactly that reason. The taunting penalty was even dumber. And Kyle Van Noy was baited into a 15 yard penalty by Taylor Swift's boyfriend. Dumb. Those are the kind of mistakes winning teams avoid. Dallas makes them all the time. Not Dak's fault.

Winning teams have big hearts, and they are disciplined, even under the pressure of big games. Even if Dak had the biggest strongest heart in the league, if the rest of the team plays dumb, and doesn't get up for the big games, Dak still loses.

Dak’s QB rating!!?! Lol-like it’s not heavily impacted by the final six minutes of garbage time when GB put its backups in ahead by 32 points (in prevent shell coverage!!!).

Anyone coming away from the past three seasons of playoffs that cannot readily admit that Dak is a major factor in the offense being terrible is willfully blind. Most people admit that the defense played terribly-that is called balanced criticism. The Cowboys did not have tons of undisciplined penalties that cost them. Dak crapped the bed and was the biggest factor for offensive ineptitude until the game was already decided.

 

[Blackspider214]

Well, the Niners and Eagles actually have real GM's that are separate from ownership and are held accountable. They know they are accountable so they run the team based on that. Our country club, local family owned grocery store approach is the complete opposite. Missed on tons of drafts? No worries! Keep your job. Non existent in free agency? No worries!

Dallas doesn't have a true GM the second Jerry fired Jimmy. And we are paying for it as fans.

 

[Blackspider214]

The Dak haters are obsessed with hating on Dak. It was the same for Romo. The Dak Stans blame CeeDee and Parsons. The rest blame MM and Quinn.The problem with Cowboys is the Joneses. They need to step down from their posts. I hope for once the media will actually go after them. Broaddus half way said it but backed down by kissing Jerry’s booty. The national media has to attack.

Why would the national media attack Jerry and his circus family? They are what makes it fun for an outsider. The national media doesn't want the Cowboys to actually get really good. Jerry Jones makes sure that won't happen. They know as long as Jerry is in charge, the Cowboys will be relevant to talk about but will always fail and they can continue laughing at us for now 28 years.

It's the local media that should attack Jerry but they won't. For various reasons.

Jerry and his family know they are the problem. But they are billionaires with huge egos who absolutely don't care. Fans agonize over these losses way more than the ownership.

 

[baltcowboy]

Why would the national media attack Jerry and his circus family? They are what makes it fun for an outsider. The national media doesn't want the Cowboys to actually get really good. Jerry Jones makes sure that won't happen. They know as long as Jerry is in charge, the Cowboys will be relevant to talk about but will always fail and they can continue laughing at us for now 28 years.

It's the local media that should attack Jerry but they won't. For various reasons.

Jerry and his family know they are the problem. But they are billionaires with huge egos who absolutely don't care. Fans agonize over these losses way more than the ownership.

We probably need to find away to get the YouTube Cowboys fan to attack. The problem is some of them are getting interviews with Cowboys insider to grow their channels and the Joneses would stop them from getting access. This is a mess that won’t get better.

 

[Blackspider214]

We probably need to find away to get the YouTube Cowboys fan to attack. The problem is some of them are getting interviews with Cowboys insider to grow their channels and the Joneses would stop them from getting access. This is a mess that won’t get better.

For sure. Local media will skate the line with Jerry. You can attack players and coaches if you want. But attacking the ownership, not going to happen aside from remarks here and there. Jerry can easily blackball them if he wants.

 

[john van brocklin]

Since we've made the Super Bowl both franchises have now gone to 3 different Super Bowls with 3 different Quarterbacks. The Eagles have had 3 different coaches while 49ers have had two.

This is why I tune out the Dak homers who act like we're doomed if we move on from Dak. The way I look at it we're doomed with Dak anyway just because we are pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot does not make success when you're talking about the Dallas Cowboys. We can't string together just two playoff wins in a row in a single playoffs, many times not even one, so that is not success. Not to mention unless we're keeping Dak until his late 30's which rarely ever happens we're going to have to move on from him one day anyway. Then again can't put anything past Jerry.

As far as coach I believe Harbough would have taken the job if we moved on from McCarthy. Instead they turned McCarthy into a lame duck coach with no extension and who knows who will be available next season.

Jerry Jones has turned this franchise into a joke.

Yep. We are a punchline now.
Used to be the premier nfl franchise.
Hard to take for this old timer.

 

[baltcowboy]

For sure. Local media will skate the line with Jerry. You can attack players and coaches if you want. But attacking the ownership, not going to happen aside from remarks here and there. Jerry can easily blackball them if he wants.

Look at what is happening with Cavanaugh and he has never said anything bad about the Joneses.

 

[Blackspider214]

Look at what is happening with Cavanaugh and he has never said anything bad about the Joneses.

What happened with him? I know he left The Fan and went to The Freak. Not sure if you are referring to something else. I always liked Cavanaugh and he's really cool when I met him in person.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Not true at all. When a player insists on max money that turns out to be about 1/4th of the salary cap, and refuses a longer deal so the team can work w/ the money, then that player has indeed thrown a huge wrench in the team building machine. And since the last playoff debacle, he's already declared that he won't give a discount. Talk about selfishness.

ok, people flip flop on how they calculate percentage of salary to make a case for their argument. in 2021, the cap hit was 17M, is that 25% of the cap?in 2022 the cap hit was 19M. is that 25% of the cap? in 2023 it was 26M is that 25% of the cap? the answer to all of the above is NO. and last year in 2022 we had 20M of cap space before the season, which included cutting and absorbing Cooper contract dead money. this year before signing diggs we had aroudn 25M of cap space. we went into the season with over 10M of cap space.

none of you pundits understand cap management.

now, you want to complain Dak isn't good, or he faded in playoffs, etc. I am with you. but this cap stuff is totally meaningless. every team deals with exactly the same thing.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I find it funny how Abbott and Costello hit on a few 1st round draft picks and are suddenly lauded as being great drafters. There's just so much more to it than that.

exactly. their failures has been well documented. btw, they got lucky on parsons. they actually didn't know how good he was and they traded down. I know the other team wanted a WR, but still you have a chance to get a great player (if your evaluations are good), then you take him. it was well documented they coveted one of the DBs.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Not sure what happened with Ceedee. From all reports, he is an extremely tough minded and competitive player. He wants to win badly, and for the most part has exercised good tact to make his case. I think that he will not be telling anyone exactly why he was so upset-they would be vague even if it’s really bad. What if he’s upset that Dak messed up several reads in the first half and had terrible ball placement? He cannot say those things openly-everyone wants each player to not complain and just play harder. Frustration can boil over when a player notices another player’s bad trends -but can do nothing about it.

Micah’s job becomes infinitely more difficult when the team is trailing and if they are struggling with stopping the run. Micah’s super power is rushing the passer, but it is difficult to consistently provide pressure unless the other team is forced to rely on the pass. He got close a couple of times-gotta credit Jordan some as he was delivering great passes while taking the hit several times.

There are more complete teams, but not that many. Dak is a minor reason for the success of the team-and when competing against teams that match up more evenly or elite teams he can be a liability.

Dak plays very well when the team is dominating with a run game or when the team gets a substantial lead and starts generating turnovers. Dallas does not try to grind the game away with the run-that is not McCarthy’s offense anyway. They build a lead and then use the pass rush to beat the other team into submission. Quinn’s defense has always focused more on shutting down powerful passing attacks, then balanced defending against balanced offenses.

Harbaugh said it best “the Cowboys are collectors of talent.” Andy Reid builds football teams-which Is why Philadelphia had way more success in the last 90’s and early/mid 2000’s. Jones does not understand that major piece-how to amass a team, not just talent.

still yet. if your teammate plays bad. you don't pout. he also missed a couple of balls he should have had. would have led to first downs. it seemed Dak said something to him and he got upset.

and again, be tough. get up and punch back. he didn't.

Micah failed in the entire game regardless of score. he has 1 tackle. that's it. a single tackle? what's the excuse? and he didn't even do a good job of rushing the passer as Love was sacked zero times. felt no pressure all game and just had his way with the cowboys defense. start players make plays when it matters. none of our supposed star players made any plays

 

[baltcowboy]

What happened with him? I know he left The Fan and went to The Freak. Not sure if you are referring to something else. I always liked Cavanaugh and he's really cool when I met him in person.

Cavanaugh is doing ok but he can’t have his friends on any of his shows, he was taken off of the draft show, and he does not have game access. I don’t think we will ever hear the full story but he can’t work with Broaddus anymore.

 

[Blitzen]

still yet. if your teammate plays bad. you don't pout. he also missed a couple of balls he should have had. would have led to first downs. it seemed Dak said something to him and he got upset.

and again, be tough. get up and punch back. he didn't.

Micah failed in the entire game regardless of score. he has 1 tackle. that's it. a single tackle? what's the excuse? and he didn't even do a good job of rushing the passer as Love was sacked zero times. felt no pressure all game and just had his way with the cowboys defense. start players make plays when it matters. none of our supposed star players made any plays

The Cowboys delivered pressure and hits but none had impact. Jordan Love played great that first half-Cowboys fans can acknowledge that. The defense and Micah were outplayed.

Ceedee and Dak had several exchanges and all they have said was that they were discussing details of the route and placement. We all want everyone to behave perfectly every single game. It’s just not reality. No player is going to be perfect all the time. He and Micah still young, and we can hope for improvement. Dak is what he is at this point-that’s why so much attention is going to him-plus the fact that the team is about to tie their noose with him for the next several seasons.

 

[Qcard]

I will celebrate the day Dak is gone just to watch you implode

I imploded when I saw Drew Henson Eye Test fail

I remember the 1970s gate keepers leave when Jerry and Jimmy clueless college buddies took over the Cowboys...


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