49ers and Eagles show you can make a Super Bowl start from scratch and make another one

[Qcard]

I'd be fine with one more season only, but Dak is obviously getting an extension. We're probably looking at at least 4 more seasons of Dak Prescott stinking it up in the playoffs.

Yep ...and Cap Boy is still trying to Win the Super Bowl on his college budget

2023 Dallas Cowboys would have been the 1st Team in NFL history to win a Playoff game with LBs, a run defense and a running game...

 

[jterrell]

Since we've made the Super Bowl both franchises have now gone to 3 different Super Bowls with 3 different Quarterbacks. The Eagles have had 3 different coaches while 49ers have had two.

This is why I tune out the Dak homers who act like we're doomed if we move on from Dak. The way I look at it we're doomed with Dak anyway just because we are pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot does not make success when you're talking about the Dallas Cowboys. We can't string together just two playoff wins in a row in a single playoffs, many times not even one, so that is not success. Not to mention unless we're keeping Dak until his late 30's which rarely ever happens we're going to have to move on from him one day anyway. Then again can't put anything past Jerry.

As far as coach I believe Harbough would have taken the job if we moved on from McCarthy. Instead they turned McCarthy into a lame duck coach with no extension and who knows who will be available next season.

Jerry Jones has turned this franchise into a joke.

Ahh sweet, another crying nonsensical post about Dak.

The 49ers were trash for 5 years after Harbaugh last made the playoffs. 6 since that SB with Kaep who is far lesser at QB than Dak.
Harbaugh left rather than rebuild. He took over after 8 straight single digit winning seasons.

Under Shanahan had they had one tank season after a SB appearance BUT KEPT the roster intact.
SF built a robust roster that wasn't and isn't QB reliant at all.
They run the ball and play defense.

The Eagles won a SB then spent 5 years without winning more than 9 games.
They hit on Hurts and was lucky to get someone to insanely overpay for Wentz who was clearly shot.

Dallas fans are lying.
They could never survive 5 straight years of 9 or less wins.
You boys are eating tide pods after 3 straight 12 win seasons that didn't produce playoff success.

The path to rebuild is there but hat means just that, a rebuild.
You lose Zack, Tyron and a number of other guys beyond just Dak.

It might be the way FWIW. But it is not an easy fix.

 

[Jayinem]

Ahh sweet, another crying nonsensical post about Dak.

The 49ers were trash for 5 years after Harbaugh last made the playoffs. 6 since that SB with Kaep who is far lesser at QB than Dak.
Harbaugh left rather than rebuild. He took over after 8 straight single digit winning seasons.

Under Shanahan had they had one tank season after a SB appearance BUT KEPT the roster intact.
SF built a robust roster that wasn't and isn't QB reliant at all.
They run the ball and play defense.

The Eagles won a SB then spent 5 years without winning more than 9 games.
They hit on Hurts and was lucky to get someone to insanely overpay for Wentz who was clearly shot.

Dallas fans are lying.
They could never survive 5 straight years of 9 or less wins.
You boys are eating tide pods after 3 straight 12 win seasons that didn't produce playoff success.

The path to rebuild is there but hat means just that, a rebuild.
You lose Zack, Tyron and a number of other guys beyond just Dak.

It might be the way FWIW. But it is not an easy fix.

It sounds like you'd rather make the playoffs than rebuild a winner and contend for a Super Bowl. Why are you Dak homers so desperate to make the playoffs and fail? That's ALL you're ever going to get with him. I'd trade that ticket in any day even if it means miss the playoffs to try to find someone who can get us somewhere once the playoffs start. He CANNOT do it. Historically only Elway and Simms were with the same team from day 1 and older than Dak and won their first Super Bowl and Elway made the Super Bowl 3 times. Simms was 31, Dak will be 31 when the season starts.

As I keep telling you Dak homers his time is starting to tick even if you keep him you're not going to have him forever and you'll have to start over anyway. Why not admit you're not winning with him so what is the point? The point is to win a Super Bowl not make the playoffs.

Something's wrong with you psychologically, you'd rather lose with Dak then try something different because you are hooked on Dak. It's like a drug.

 

[jterrell]

The absolute most illogical thought of all is that this management group can't win playoff games with Dak in an MVP caliber season but can build a team so completely sounds that like the 49ers could win with any number of street level guys like Jimmy G.

Moving on from Dak should obviously be a consideration but in doing so you will be eating large cap hits for 2 seasons.
And you have ALREADY traded off R3, R4, R5 this year.

I don't think you guys have any clue about how deep this hole can be.
Cap and picks neutered, drafting in a low, low spot each round.

 

[jterrell]

It sounds like you'd rather make the playoffs than rebuild a winner and contend for a Super Bowl. Why are you Dak homers so desperate to make the playoffs and fail? That's ALL you're ever going to get with him. I'd trade that ticket in any day even if it means miss the playoffs to try to find someone who can get us somewhere once the playoffs start. He CANNOT do it.

As I keep telling you Dak homers his time is starting to tick even if you keep him you're not going to have him forever and you'll have to start over anyway. Why not admit you're not winning with him so what is the point? The point is to win a Super Bowl not make the playoffs.

No the point isn't to win a Super bowl.
That is the goofball stuff Jerry sold y'all losers that you are still sucking down 30 years later.

 

[Jayinem]

No the point isn't to win a Super bowl.
That is the goofball stuff Jerry sold y'all losers that you are still sucking down 30 years later.

What? It is goofball stuff that Jerry sold us that the goal is to win a Super Bowl? What nonsense are you even spewing? We won 5 of them. Of course that's the goal.

 

[KJJ]

Since we've made the Super Bowl both franchises have now gone to 3 different Super Bowls with 3 different Quarterbacks. The Eagles have had 3 different coaches while 49ers have had two.

Neither SF or Philly moved on from their starting QBs until they had a better QB in house.

 

[jterrell]

Neither SF or Philly moved on from their starting QBs until they had a better QB in house.

There is that.

 

[Blitzen]

Neither SF or Philly moved on from their starting QBs until they had a better QB in house.

Hurts was absolute trash his 2020 season. They put him in because they had nobody else (plus they were done with Wentz)-not because they thought so highly of him.

Trey Lance was supposed to take Jimmy G’s spot and would have if he impressed more or could have showed more promise. Somehow Jimmy G stayed last season for next to nothing instead of signing outside of SF because he is a chicken **** loser that knows that team was the reason for his success. I doubt that Dak signs a 1 year contract like that one, but who knows.

 

[Momanpr100]

All I know is Mahommes made it to the Super Bowl by only scoring 17 points. It's more than the damn Quarterback

 

[jterrell]

What? It is goofball stuff that Jerry sold us that the goal is to win a Super Bowl? What nonsense are you even spewing? We won 5 of them. Of course that's the goal.

We won 2 in the 70's and 3 in the 90s. It is 2024.
I am old enough to have witnessed the end of the Landry era.
His goal was to make the playoffs every year. That's HOW we became America's team.
Landry coaches 29 years and we won 2 Super bowls.
He made the Hall of Fame and built America's Team.

Win division, make playoffs then you take each playoff game 1 at a time and win as many as possible.
Bill Parcells said the exact same thing.

Anyone mentioning Dallas and Super Bowl in the same sentence is a complete goofball.

How about winning two playoff games in a season?
Getting to an NFC CG.

You have a C student team talking about winning valedictorian.

Dak wasn't here for the stretch from 1996 to 2016. Dallas couldn't win with any of the 20+ QBs who cycled through here during that time including a quite good Tony Romo.
Pretending the QB is the problem is just dumb.
Dak may need to go because financially QB salaries are absurd but you aren't winning any Super Bowls with this roster regardless of QB.
And unfortunately it may be a 3-4 year project to rebuild it given you went pretty heavy this year to win.

 

[KJJ]

Hurts was absolute trash his 2020 season. They put him in because they had nobody else (plus they were done with Wentz)-not because they thought so highly of him.

Trey Lance was supposed to take Jimmy G’s spot and would have if he impressed more or could have showed more promise. Somehow Jimmy G stayed last season for next to nothing instead of signing outside of SF because he is a chicken **** loser that knows that team was the reason for his success. I doubt that Dak signs a 1 year contract like that one, but who knows.

They liked Hurts’ potential and he provided Philly with a spark which is why they traded Wentz. They felt Hurts was the better QB and that’s been proven. SF didn’t part ways with Jimmy G until Purdy established himself as their best QB.

 

[Blitzen]

They liked Hurts’ potential and he provided Philly with a spark which is why they traded Wentz. They felt Hurts was the better QB and that’s been proven. SF didn’t part ways with Jimmy G until Purdy established himself as their best QB.

Yeah, so draft a QB that you like in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round (who you obviously like their promise). Dump Dak for promise. Same thing KC did with Alex Smith.

I have no issues with keeping Dak on his last season and moving lots of contract money around to operate. I have an issue with the outrageous idea of building around a losing proposition and acting like it’s in the team’s best future interest.

 

[KJJ]

Yeah, so draft a QB that you like in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round (who you obviously like their promise). Dump Dak for promise. Same thing KC did with Alex Smith.

I have no issues with keeping Dak on his last season and moving lots of contract money around to operate. I have an issue with the outrageous idea of building around a losing proposition and acting like it’s in the team’s best future interest.

You don’t dump your starter who led you to three straight 12-5 seasons and was in the MVP race this season for an unproven QB. We didn’t move on from Romo until Dak proved himself. The last time the Cowboys moved on from their starting QB before they had a proven replacement was after the 2000 season and that led to 5 years of futility.

 

[jterrell]

Yeah, so draft a QB that you like in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round (who you obviously like their promise). Dump Dak for promise. Same thing KC did with Alex Smith.

I have no issues with keeping Dak on his last season and moving lots of contract money around to operate. I have an issue with the outrageous idea of building around a losing proposition and acting like it’s in the team’s best future interest.

KC had enough draft capital to go up and get Mahomes who was an insane steal at pick 10.
Only the worst possible evaluators can have had Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray rated over Pat for QB grade and not feel utter shame.

Dallas has picks 24, 56, 87 then falls off map before drafting again at 172.
They might can draft a Penix Jr at 24 but they would be adding very little at all from the draft to this run it back effort in that case.

 

[Blitzen]

You don’t dump your starter who led you to three straight 12-5 seasons and was in the MVP race this season for an unproven QB. We didn’t move on from Romo until Dak proved himself. The last time the Cowboys moved on from their starting QB before they had a proven replacement was after the 2000 season and that led to 5 years of futility.

Sure you do. You will be dumping him at some point either way. If the team is convinced that Dak has taken the team as far as it can go in the playoffs (which everyone with two eyes and half a brain should know by now)-then you exchange him for the promise of potentially better (no matter what his regular season exploits are versus other also rans and cellar dwellers). Other teams have done it, and will do it in the future.

This team is not in the realm of being as bad as those early 2000 teams. The drafting is light years better, plus they have not traded two first round picks from the Galloway trade. Not to mention-having Dave Campo as the head coach. Those teams were destined to fail-even if they had Brady. They did not stink simply because of the QB. You guys waaaay overvalue middling QBs and playoff one and dones. Like I said, play out this season with no extension. Move on in 2025.

 

[Creeper]

Dak’s QB rating!!?! Lol-like it’s not heavily impacted by the final six minutes of garbage time when GB put its backups in ahead by 32 points (in prevent shell coverage!!!).

Anyone coming away from the past three seasons of playoffs that cannot readily admit that Dak is a major factor in the offense being terrible is willfully blind. Most people admit that the defense played terribly-that is called balanced criticism. The Cowboys did not have tons of undisciplined penalties that cost them. Dak crapped the bed and was the biggest factor for offensive ineptitude until the game was already decided.

Dallas give up 5 TDs to Green Bay in 6 drives and all the Dak haters see is it is Dak's fault. We just saw teh 49ers get down by 17 points in the first half to the Lions then give up no points until less than a minute was left in the game, allowing 49ers to get back in the game, but again, they only see Dak as a problem.

I have posted all kinds of data showing how rare it is for drafted QBs to make it in the NFL, even first round QBs, but all they know is cut Dak and draft a QB and the problem is solved, as if no one else has ever tried that, like the Giants, Commanders, and every other NFL team that hasn't won a Super Bowl in a long time.

Look at the QBs who went to a Super Bowl drafted since 2000. Colin Kaepernick, Rex Grossman, Nick Foles, Jalen Hurts, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Jimmy Garropolo, Jared Goff, Joe Flacco, are you all going to tell me these QBs raised their teams to Super Bowls or did their teams take them? Matthew Stafford never won anything for Detroit. He goes to the Rams and suddenly he is a franchise QB? Or isn't it more likely that the Lions were a bad football team that held Stafford back, and the Rams were better and able to carry Stafford to a Championship?

If the Cowboys lost that game 48-47 you would also still blame Dak for the loss. Dak is a better QB than Brock Purdy and you all know it. But Purdy has a better team and it is his team that carried them past the Lions - wo the Cowboys also beat btw, and if not for the defense giving up a cheap TD late in the game, and some poor clock management by the HC, it would have been a 7 point win.

 

[Sydla]

Ahh sweet, another crying nonsensical post about Dak.

The 49ers were trash for 5 years after Harbaugh last made the playoffs. 6 since that SB with Kaep who is far lesser at QB than Dak.
Harbaugh left rather than rebuild. He took over after 8 straight single digit winning seasons.

Under Shanahan had they had one tank season after a SB appearance BUT KEPT the roster intact.
SF built a robust roster that wasn't and isn't QB reliant at all.
They run the ball and play defense.

The Eagles won a SB then spent 5 years without winning more than 9 games.
They hit on Hurts and was lucky to get someone to insanely overpay for Wentz who was clearly shot.

Dallas fans are lying.
They could never survive 5 straight years of 9 or less wins.
You boys are eating tide pods after 3 straight 12 win seasons that didn't produce playoff success.

The path to rebuild is there but hat means just that, a rebuild.
You lose Zack, Tyron and a number of other guys beyond just Dak.

It might be the way FWIW. But it is not an easy fix.

Ehh, the Eagles won 14 games in their 5th year after the SB win. And they made the playoffs 4 times in those 5 years after the SB.

I think you underestimate how tolerant fans would be of a few down seasons if they saw Jerry making a concerted effort to shake this up and not continue to do the same dumb stuff he's done for 25+ years.

 

[KJJ]

Sure you do. You will be dumping him at some point either way.

The Cowboys won’t be moving on from him until they have a proven QB to replace him and you can book it.

 

[Blitzen]

KC had enough draft capital to go up and get Mahomes who was an insane steal at pick 10.
Only the worst possible evaluators can have had Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray rated over Pat for QB grade and not feel utter shame.

Dallas has picks 24, 56, 87 then falls off map before drafting again at 172.
They might can draft a Penix Jr at 24 but they would be adding very little at all from the draft to this run it back effort in that case.

KC used their 1st rounder that year plus the year after. They would have made the trade even if they only had just the one first round pick in that draft.

This season may not be very good, no matter who they draft this year. If the oline loses Tyron and Zack-look out.