What is your current faith in Dak?

rambo2

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I consider faith a form of desperation. You don't need faith where you have evidence or results...or you don't require as much of it. Dak's regular season results have nothing to do with his performance in do-or-die playoff games. When you have to believe he can do something he's not done before...this is where faith comes in. I don't want desperate hope...
He sure had an excellent playoff game the year before at Tampa.
 

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.....my problem was them paying him as an ELITE Qb instead of just a good qb.

And that's more about the FO than about Rayne.

Things could have gone very differently if he was paid commensurate with his ability and we could have waded much deeper in the FA pool
ok again the Dak discussion aside...you cant be serious about this FO going deeper into FA..they have had cap room the last 10 years and have not done it..hell they could free up serious cap room right now without touching Dak's deal and wont even keep the guys they say they want..again i have no problem with the opinions on Dak on both sides..I have a serious question for anyone who has watched this FO and thinks they are staying away from FA's because of the cap...
 

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1. Can't say 0% because he is good enough to get us to the playoffs. So, I'll give him that. But in the playoffs? No confidence.
2. In the 2021 wildcard playoff loss. His eyes were big as saucers. He had the look of a totally overwhelmed quarterback. I was like, "We're done and so is he."
3. In the 2022 divisional round. Our defense held the 49ers to 19 points. Our offense averaged over 30 points a game in the regular season. The Dak-led offense produced 12. 12 measly points! Unbelievable.

I wish I could say Dak will improve, but he's been in the league seven years. If you can't figure it out by now, you're just not going to get it. But I hope I'm wrong.
 

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1. Can't say 0% because he is good enough to get us to the playoffs. So, I'll give him that. But in the playoffs? No confidence.
2. In the 2021 wildcard playoff loss. His eyes were big as saucers. He had the look of a totally overwhelmed quarterback. I was like, "We're done and so is he."
3. In the 2022 divisional round. Our defense held the 49ers to 19 points. Our offense averaged over 30 points a game in the regular season. The Dak-led offense produced 12. 12 measly points! Unbelievable.

I wish I could say Dak will improve, but he's been in the league seven years. If you can't figure it out by now, you're just not going to get it. But I hope I'm wrong.
He sure improved a lot in the 2024 season, enough to be 2nd in the mvp voting.
 

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Zero and 2019 last Egirl game. The only good thing about that game was the end of Garrett. But i was done with QB1 right then.
 

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He sure improved a lot in the 2024 season, enough to be 2nd in the mvp voting.
He's generally been good in the regular season because the Cowboys have been better than the teams they played.
I'm talking about playoff improvement. He hasn't taken that next step yet.
 

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He's generally been good in the regular season because the Cowboys have been better than the teams they played.
I'm talking about playoff improvement. He hasn't taken that next step yet.
You certainly can say anything to meet your agenda. The bottom line is you don't like him because of the losses in the playoffs.
 

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ok again the Dak discussion aside...you cant be serious about this FO going deeper into FA..they have had cap room the last 10 years and have not done it..hell they could free up serious cap room right now without touching Dak's deal and wont even keep the guys they say they want..again i have no problem with the opinions on Dak on both sides..I have a serious question for anyone who has watched this FO and thinks they are staying away from FA's because of the cap...
Stephen constantly says that the cap is real....what would be the reason to NEVER pick up a blue chip free agent.....or at least picking up a player NOT past their prime?
 

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0% faith in Dak. Man needs a team that is stacked and it won't happen with him being paid a quarter of the cap.
When have the Cowboys ever been stacked with Dak as quarterback. :huh: The 2016 team was 4-12 the season before. The great offensive line was at the end of its greatness. 2014-15 were better years for Frederick, Tyron, and Martin together. The one great team we had talent wise in the last 28 years was 2007. Last season Dak had one offensive weapon you could trust and Dak turned him into an All-Pro receiver. Give me a break.
 

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You certainly can say anything to meet your agenda. The bottom line is you don't like him because of the losses in the playoffs.
What agenda?
Don't be a conspiracy theorist.
It's possible to not have confidence in Dak and not be a hater.
Go outside and spell the fresh air.
Not everyone wants to play these "You hate Dak-you sniff his jock" trite games.
 

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Stephen constantly says that the cap is real....what would be the reason to NEVER pick up a blue chip free agent.....or at least picking up a player NOT past their prime?
Now your asking the right questions because they have had the cap space to and have chose not to...I'm asking the same question..they could free up 50m in cap space right now without touching Dak's contract in an offseason they are "All in" ..they had cap space every year the last 10 years when Dak was much cheaper..where were the big name FA's to fill holes?
 

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For me:
  1. About 5% Faith. Still think he could do something, hope he could. But not going to put ANY money on it.
  2. When did I become skeptical of Dak? After that first San Fran playoff game loss when he ran the ball instead of throwing it, and single-handedly lost the end of the game. What??? That was my first indication something isn't right in his head when it's a clutch game. Or just gets too tight. The Tampa Playoffs domination the next year, and his MVP-esque season last year renewed my hope.
  3. When did he basically lose me? When the lights shined again last year in Playoffs. I know the defense flunked, and just about everyone on the team too, but damn.. that guy is paid the big money to be the leader and get them straight. And I still think he has some type of mental block in the big games.
For some of you the answer may be he hasn't lost you, and that's fine. But seems like most people on this board have gone from 'cautiously optimistic' to 'when pigs fly.' LOL

And... I hope he proves me wrong, wins it all this year or even with a new team if that happens. Always wish the best for these guys but just being real.
1.) 85%. I think Dak was the best QB in football last year.
2.) Not skeptical of the player, more of the organization.
3.) Hasn't. He's great, people are stupid.
 

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I have zero faith that Dak can win a Super Bowl with Dallas. With a better franchise, maybe.

I was skeptical of Dak staring in 2017. His second year was bad and it became pretty obvious that Zeke carried him in 2016.

He lost me in 2019.
 

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Against a broken team with no secondary and a legend on his last legs. He ran into the right team at the right time...kudos. But the exception proves the rule...so...NO.
You could say almost the same thing happened to Jordan Love last year. Just take out the legend part.
 

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I became skeptical after the 2022 season but actually regained some confidence in him after last season despite the playoff debacle. Had the defense not SUCKED I probably would still be skeptical but he never gave up in that game. He set a Cowboys playoff record for over 400 yards and 41 completions. He had 3 TD passes forcing the Packers to have to put their starters back in. Yes, most of the yards/completions were garbage but he never quit. Dak and Ferguson were the only two that showed some fight in that game.
 

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I consider faith a form of desperation. You don't need faith where you have evidence or results...or you don't require as much of it. Dak's regular season results have nothing to do with his performance in do-or-die playoff games. When you have to believe he can do something he's not done before...this is where faith comes in. I don't want desperate hope...
Couldn't agree more. "Faith" is simply convincing yourself of something to be true without any evidence.
 

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Now your asking the right questions because they have had the cap space to and have chose not to...I'm asking the same question..they could free up 50m in cap space right now without touching Dak's contract in an offseason they are "All in" ..they had cap space every year the last 10 years when Dak was much cheaper..where were the big name FA's to fill holes?
That's very true but Jerry's mismanagement of Daks contracts have wasted alot of money over the years.

Stephen consistently blames the cap as the reason for inactivity in Free agency so we really can only look at the players salaries.....and with the QB slotted to count 55 Million against the cap, it has to be mentioned

Again, I don't blame dak or his agent.....this is what you get when an owner is out of his true element.
 

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That's very true but Jerry's mismanagement of Daks contracts have wasted alot of money over the years.

Stephen consistently blames the cap as the reason for inactivity in Free agency so we really can only look at the players salaries.....and with the QB slotted to count 55 Million against the cap, it has to be mentioned

Again, I don't blame dak or his agent.....this is what you get when an owner is out of his true element.
I agree they mishandled Dak since 2019 as far as contracts go, again look at the Eagles you like your QB then sign him early to the longest cheapest contract he will sign, if he wants to much or doesnt work out Trade him and get an option B...dont paint yourself into a corner then 8 years later belly ache to the fans about the situation you caused..Especially when you still dont have an option B..its maddning
 
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