Why the extreme points of view on Dak?

[CowboyoWales]

I would say most INT posters understand that if you dont change the FO way of working it really doesnt matter who is on the sidelines...They have had cap space and didnt round out the roster in years before...why does everyone assume they would do it now? I'm for a rebuild....I am also very aware of the people who will be doing the rebuild and its not gonna work because they wont change the way they run this Franchise.

Well you're right, but, that doesnt distract from the question about winning with Dak. Your's is the first comment that derailed/deflected from what was a decent OP, which tends to send every 'Dak discussion' down the rabbit hole.
It isnt about the FO (though it could be argued that surrendering and liking their guys ala Dak ....IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY WEAKNESSES).
It isnt about 'you wont find another QB better than Dak.
It isnt about deflecting 'blame'
It's about whether Dak, at market price, will get us what we want......or as a lot of us think, Dak's anxiety and composure ,under pressure, will continually come up short and that no amount of money will give him the ultimate arm chair ride.....EVERY TEAM has a weakness to overcome (especially when playing their top stars elite money).

 

[CowboyoWales]

Dak is a good enough QB. The problem is the owner will never go all in to field a Super Bowl team. This year he is doing bare minimum. So tell me, which QB do you foresee carrying a team built only on draft picks to the Super Bowl?

At the same time, I would never give Dak $60 million. If that is what he wants, it would force me to go in another direction. He is a good QB, but not $60 million good.

'Dak is good enough'???....at what? When under pressure he capitulates (his fans will deflect by adding issues of defense and running game), but for three years running HE came up short in Play-Off Defeats, something you wouldnt/cant expect from one of your ELITE CAP recipients.

2023 was a good roster, what would it of taken to go ALL-IN to win the Super Bowl? Henry (for a 1st)....doesnt get us past the Packers.

The reason we arent spending, this pre-season, is that there's too many holes with the forthcoming elite contracts. Do I have confidence the FO can execute a strategy.....H@LL NO, but part of that is their continued 'LIKE OUR GUYS, OVERSPEND ON OUR GUYS' and that certainly includes Dak.

Let Dak play out his contract whilst we put a proper GM in place and let the new Exec make a decision on a strategy moving forward and: Dak, CeeDee and Micah.

Forget the QB idea, build the trenches FIRST and allow a lesser (say) 4th Rd QB get introduced into a secure line that'll help him out ....ALA 2016.

 

[kskboys]

I understand the various schools of thought on Dak (pro and con) but what I can’t quite wrap my mind around is that people ignore the cap implications of a Dak extension.

I would say that MOST intelligent people realize that most people would want Dak to stick around for a low enough cap hit and most would want Dak to go away at a high enough cap number. The rubber meeting the road with Dak is mostly his cap impact going forward.

The worst situation with Dak isn’t keeping Dak or trading Dak away, or letting Dak walk away in free agency. The worst situation is wrecking the cap with a Dak signing so badly that the team has no chance of competing for a SB with Dak’s cap number.

You can argue at what point the cap number gets too prohibitive to keep Dak but based on the evidence we have in front of us (no Dak extension) that Dak’s demands exceed what the organization thinks that number is.

Are you getting your answer? Same guys, same arguments. Most posters avoid Dak discussions as they are simply filled w/ silly spats.

 

[glimmerman]

I see them resigning him and lowering the cap hit, but last time we did this he had a low cap hit for a few years and they did nothing to get talent around him or the Defense. Just drafting. Plus look at the first years we had him. He made nothing and what did the FO do for the team. They got Cooper but then sign Dak and get rid of him. Lol.

 

[glimmerman]

'Dak is good enough'???....at what? When under pressure he capitulates (his fans will deflect by adding issues of defense and running game), but for three years running HE came up short in Play-Off Defeats, something you wouldnt/cant expect from one of your ELITE CAP recipients.

2023 was a good roster, what would it of taken to go ALL-IN to win the Super Bowl? Henry (for a 1st)....doesnt get us past the Packers.

The reason we arent spending, this pre-season, is that there's too many holes with the forthcoming elite contracts. Do I have confidence the FO can execute a strategy.....H@LL NO, but part of that is their continued 'LIKE OUR GUYS, OVERSPEND ON OUR GUYS' and that certainly includes Dak.

Let Dak play out his contract whilst we put a proper GM in place and let the new Exec make a decision on a strategy moving forward and: Dak, CeeDee and Micah.

Forget the QB idea, build the trenches FIRST and allow a lesser (say) 4th Rd QB get introduced into a secure line that'll help him out ....ALA 2016.

We had no run game and we couldn’t stop the run. We came into the game one dimensional. Did Dak play well… No.
But any talented team had the same game plan against us.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Well you're right, but, that doesnt distract from the question about winning with Dak. Your's is the first comment that derailed/deflected from what was a decent OP, which tends to send every 'Dak discussion' down the rabbit hole.
It isnt about the FO (though it could be argued that surrendering and liking their guys ala Dak ....IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY WEAKNESSES).
It isnt about 'you wont find another QB better than Dak.
It isnt about deflecting 'blame'
It's about whether Dak, at market price, will get us what we want......or as a lot of us think, Dak's anxiety and composure ,under pressure, will continually come up short and that no amount of money will give him the ultimate arm chair ride.....EVERY TEAM has a weakness to overcome (especially when playing their top stars elite money).

The "we cant replace dak" or worse!; "what would we have done without dak" rankles me to no end.
Some even claim "decades" of suffering.
Absoluety stunning idiocy. I hope they dont live their real life in what-if fear.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

We had no run game and we couldn’t stop the run. We came into the game one dimensional. Did Dak play well… No.
But any talented team had the same game plan against us.

Its not that he just didnt play well....stunningly inept on occaision. The int for pick 6 is inexplicable. Something he'd never of done in 2016.

 

[CowboyoWales]

We had no run game and we couldn’t stop the run. We came into the game one dimensional. Did Dak play well… No.
But any talented team had the same game plan against us.

But every team has a weakness, its the way of the CAP. What the CAP also means is that those in receipt of the highest CAP% have to step up.
The running game doesn't work because teams know how to challenge Dak (see Jimmie Ward's quote on SF's Blueprint).

As an aside, didn't GB have 36 odd yards on the ground at half time....the game was gone by then.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Its not that he just didnt play well....stunningly inept on occaision. The int for pick 6 is inexplicable. Something he'd never of done in 2016.

It's the inability to step up, when needed. What gets forgotten in the two SF play-off loses is he had four drives late on to win/tie both games.
Dak doesn't handle pressure, and a couple of $'s saved on the contract isn't going to remedy that. I suppose this is his last chance at proving me/us wrong....but as that adds its own pressure I wonder whether he's destined for disaster.
Could be praying for a challenging team having a QB injury just before the deadline and getting a trade....but that's fantasy thinking (which Jerry would probably mess up).

 

[Aven8]

I see them resigning him and lowering the cap hit, but last time we did this he had a low cap hit for a few years and they did nothing to get talent around him or the Defense. Just drafting. Plus look at the first years we had him. He made nothing and what did the FO do for the team. They got Cooper but then sign Dak and get rid of him. Lol.

To be fair they had just extended Romo and Dak came out of nowhere. So although Dak was making peanuts, we were still paying Romo and others for all the extensions of years past. The same will hold true when Dak leaves.

 

[kskboys]

The "we cant replace dak" or worse!; "what would we have done without dak" rankles me to no end.
Some even claim "decades" of suffering.
Absoluety stunning idiocy. I hope they dont live their real life in what-if fear.

I thought we weren't supposed to judge other posters.

 

[bottleKids]

Why not? Lets go ALL IN!

I think all of us on both sides of the fence are tiring.... but then again its April and not much else to talk about! Draft 2 week away llletttsss goooooo

 

[jterrell]

I understand the various schools of thought on Dak (pro and con) but what I can’t quite wrap my mind around is that people ignore the cap implications of a Dak extension.

I would say that MOST intelligent people realize that most people would want Dak to stick around for a low enough cap hit and most would want Dak to go away at a high enough cap number. The rubber meeting the road with Dak is mostly his cap impact going forward.

The worst situation with Dak isn’t keeping Dak or trading Dak away, or letting Dak walk away in free agency. The worst situation is wrecking the cap with a Dak signing so badly that the team has no chance of competing for a SB with Dak’s cap number.

You can argue at what point the cap number gets too prohibitive to keep Dak but based on the evidence we have in front of us (no Dak extension) that Dak’s demands exceed what the organization thinks that number is.

This is 100% correct.
The issue is getting people to talking in these terms instead of posting goofy things such as Dak sucks.
That is verifiably untrue and just lowers the IQ of the board.
I have said many times I do not want Dallas to pay Dak 60M AAV.
And I'd only want to pay 55M AAV if his no trade clause is reduced to where he can limit his destination in some way but not have 100% veto power versus the entire league.

But anyone that pretends he is bad QB is going on ignore. I am not wasting time nor brain cells reading utter garbage.

In reality best case may be starting over fresh but again that means dumping CeeDee and Micah.
Zero logic in paying them top of the position salaries to perform with an unknown at QB.

Better off with a quick rebuild and lots of assets now.

 

[Captain-Crash]

dak is a choker.

 

[jterrell]

It's the inability to step up, when needed. What gets forgotten in the two SF play-off loses is he had four drives late on to win/tie both games.
Dak doesn't handle pressure, and a couple of $'s saved on the contract isn't going to remedy that. I suppose this is his last chance at proving me/us wrong....but as that adds its own pressure I wonder whether he's destined for disaster.
Could be praying for a challenging team having a QB injury just before the deadline and getting a trade....but that's fantasy thinking (which Jerry would probably mess up).

Zero QBs have been good versus that defense.
You have made up this entire world in your head that does not exist.

Being bested by a defense that is better than your offense is not choking.

Dak easily beat the 49ers the first two times he played them.
Then the last 3 they have been built to provide a whooping to him and this offense and they have.

The 49ers last 2 losses were an OT loss to KC in the Super Bowl versus the greatest QB in the world today who managed a mere 19 points in regulation.
And the Eagles WCCG loss in 2022 where Purdy only lasted 4 pass attempts and gave way to Josh Johnson.....

This is very definition of goofy.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I thought we weren't supposed to judge other posters.

You playing with me now? Yes...of course you are.

If you think you trapped me..not. Feel free to judge all you want. Doesn't make you right about it. Judge me for "punctuation" deficiencies if you wish...you'd be wrong. Judge me for errant typing and you might be right.

So judge away. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Big_D]

It would be pretty cool to cross the 50 in a playoff game someday. Or possibly score in the first quarter. How great would that be?

 

[DanA]

Dak can play for free or Dak can play for 500 mil a game and he still is not going to win a meaningful game for the team, much less a SB. Dak's time is slowly ticking away as it should, it's time to trade in the old car for a new one.

I disagree. I think Dak on vet minimum would win a Super Bowl within 4 years but him taking less than the maximum he can get isn’t realistic given his history in contract negotiations.

 

[OGSixshooter]

Tribalism. You either think this, or think that. Believe this, or that. Black and white. Yes or no.

Sometimes us humans get too wrapped up in our own ideas and biases to maintain nuanced viewpoints.

I agree on this in general. I'm a "hater" but I don't think Dak is stupid and can't read defenses. The definition of a "choker" is someone who is pretty good BUT when the pressure gets HIGHER THAN NORMAL...they crack. So Dak crumbles under some of the most extreme pressure: Do-or-die in 3 hours, no do-overs, millions watching, teammates depending upon you to make accurate hair-trigger decisions...40x in one game. Most primates can't do this with their parents in the stands...

THAT SAID...we need to find the primate that can do this consistently in big games.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Zero QBs have been good versus that defense.
You have made up this entire world in your head that does not exist.

Being bested by a defense that is better than your offense is not choking.

Zero ??? Incorrect.
Bested by the defense isn't chocking, however, to get to championships a QB (pretty much every) QB has to step up to the challenge. Dak had those chances and couldn't get it done....now you're going to blame the 'whole of the offence', because you like deflecting blame....but those two games, plus the GB game show repeatedly coming up short.
Don't you tend to get better defenses in the play-offs? I suppose we can create a Bowl, where teams can play lesser Defences?