Why the extreme points of view on Dak?

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What is funny is that the Cowboys amortizing contracts like Daks to $20M over their AAV in it's final year is what is eating a ton of the current cap.
 

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Verdict said:
I understand the various schools of thought on Dak (pro and con) but what I can’t quite wrap my mind around is that people ignore the cap implications of a Dak extension.

I would say that MOST intelligent people realize that most people would want Dak to stick around for a low enough cap hit and most would want Dak to go away at a high enough cap number. The rubber meeting the road with Dak is mostly his cap impact going forward.

The worst situation with Dak isn’t keeping Dak or trading Dak away, or letting Dak walk away in free agency. The worst situation is wrecking the cap with a Dak signing so badly that the team has no chance of competing for a SB with Dak’s cap number.

You can argue at what point the cap number gets too prohibitive to keep Dak but based on the evidence we have in front of us (no Dak extension) that Dak’s demands exceed what the organization thinks that number is.
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Because most of the ones arguing are the exact same people that have been arguing over this ad nauseum for years. Just wish we could contain it so it wouldn't take over every thread.

Start a poll, and I think you'd quickly see that most agree w/ what you're saying.
 

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DallasEast said:
I thought the neverending extreme viewpoints were either Prescott being the worst quarterback to ever start in the NFL or Prescott is already a Pro Football Hall of Fame worthy as a quarterback. Approximately how many members have been taking extreme viewpoints on Prescott's salary cap implications..? :huh:
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Like 11.
 

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I think the oversimplification is what gets to me. No matter what Dallas does, there will be consequences. If they give Dak $60 million there will be CAP consequences that will effect the rest of the team. It probably means they will never be any better than a little above average.

If they don't sign Dak, they have no QB. There will be consequences for that too. The "just go draft a QB in the first round" crowd amuse me with their belief that whoever Dallas drafts will automatically be as good as or better than Dak. Sure, I get it, a rookie making a few million gives the Cowboys a lot of CAP room to sign other players like CeeDee and Micah. But QB is a lot more important that those guys. Maybe they get lucky and get a Brock Purdy who just plays the system and let's the rest of the team win games for him. Maybe not.

The Big problem with the second option is we all know no matter how much CAP room Jerry has, Stephen will not let him sign top free agents to make the team good enough for the cheap QB they will put on the field. This is the frustration I think we all feel. Either we draft better than any team in history has year after year, or we will be also-rans.

I don't get the idea that we are somehow going to be more satisfied losing behind a young cheap QB than we are with Dak. Losing is losing.

Dak is a good enough QB. The problem is the owner will never go all in to field a Super Bowl team. This year he is doing bare minimum. So tell me, which QB do you foresee carrying a team built only on draft picks to the Super Bowl?

At the same time, I would never give Dak $60 million. If that is what he wants, it would force me to go in another direction. He is a good QB, but not $60 million good.
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Not true. The owner has no idea how to field a super bowl team.
 
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Verdict said:
I understand the various schools of thought on Dak (pro and con) but what I can’t quite wrap my mind around is that people ignore the cap implications of a Dak extension.

I would say that MOST intelligent people realize that most people would want Dak to stick around for a low enough cap hit and most would want Dak to go away at a high enough cap number. The rubber meeting the road with Dak is mostly his cap impact going forward.

The worst situation with Dak isn’t keeping Dak or trading Dak away, or letting Dak walk away in free agency. The worst situation is wrecking the cap with a Dak signing so badly that the team has no chance of competing for a SB with Dak’s cap number.

You can argue at what point the cap number gets too prohibitive to keep Dak but based on the evidence we have in front of us (no Dak extension) that Dak’s demands exceed what the organization thinks that number is.
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He sucks so bad in the playoffs his name should be Dyson Prescott and he is a greedy loser example of a leader. I want him gone ASAP.
 
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Other than being the QB of the Cowboys (always a hot seat) Dak is polarizing ironically cuz he’s middle of the road.

Can he win games - yes, has he shown he can lead on a deep playoff run - no. Is he top 10 - yes, is he top 5 - probably not, and that’s not changing. Some say put more players around him, but when it’s convenient, the counter is that the team put the 2nd to the most representatives in the ProBowl, so an argument can be made that the roster was good.

While debates continue from either side of the fence, we’re now 8 years into a potentially very expensive extension with nothing to show but regular season wins. And some are o.k.with that.

When there’s so much ammo to use from either side you’re always going to have spirited opinions.
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I think you hit it.
He hasnt won but has come close at times.
He puts up good stats.
Projects a likable image to many.
Almost mvp last season.

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wants top of market contract with no trade clause
not very good in playoff games etc
 
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DandyDon52 said:
I think you hit it.
He hasnt won but has come close at times.
He puts up good stats.
Projects a likable image to many.
Almost mvp last season.

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wants top of market contract with no trade clause
not very good in playoff games etc
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When was Dak ever the highest paid QB?
 
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Chasing6 said:
Done with no replacement is extreme.

Done with no back up plan is extremely extreme.
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"No replacement"...so we have to have the EXACT same production or we MUST stick with Dak? It's "extreme" for a franchise to wash their hands of a QB and move on? How so?

The best back up in the league (prior to this offeason) in Cooper Rush and former 3rd overall pick who needed reps looks like good enough replacements for me.
 
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CowboyFrog said:
he wasnt ever
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Contrary to what some fans believe, it does not seem like he his asking for that now.
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"No replacement"...so we have to have the EXACT same production or we MUST stick with Dak? It's "extreme" for a franchise to wash their hands of a QB and move on? How so?

The best back up in the league (prior to this offeason) in Cooper Rush and former 3rd overall pick who needed reps looks like good enough replacements for me.
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Then what is the fear me on with Rush as QB1.

A back up QB, is not a replacement for QB1.
 
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Chasing6 said:
Contrary to what some fans believe, it does not seem like he his asking for that now.

Then what is the fear me on with Rush as QB1.

A back up QB, is not a replacement for QB1.
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A replacement is a replacement. Again, if you artificially keep the standard for replacement at "same level of production" then you've lost the plot. Is the goal some artificial standard of production - "near MVP", "top 5/10" - or is it a legit shot at the SB. The QB has shown us the lights are too bright for him...unlike Jaylon Hurts and Brock Purdy who went down swinging. Dak knocked on the door and told his parents he wet the bed ...AGAIN.
 
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CowboyFrog said:
yeah he is one that is here for BS not football talk
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There’s a lot of fans here that are just like him. Just a bunch of fans that have nothing else better to do than to come here and trash Dak every day.
 
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5Stars said:
Dak can play for free or Dak can play for 500 mil a game and he still is not going to win a meaningful game for the team, much less a SB. Dak's time is slowly ticking away as it should, it's time to trade in the old car for a new one.
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It's as if I can here Dak leaving Dallas now, "Here we gooooo"!
 
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