You don't need elite QB play to win playoff games

[CCBoy]

No turn-overs is the measure in the playoffs...and where the Cowboys have failed in the playoffs to now.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There's actually a $31m CAP difference between Dak and Hurts this year alone.

As for Eagles comparison on top 5 contracts:
2025: Eagles -$86m , Cowboys -$177
2026: Eagles - $120m, Cowboys -$155m (and that's without Micah's contract).

Dak had his ALL-IN year (well in Jerry World) in 2023, for which $40m of his contract was restructured into this contract. The failure of the team, highlighted, that it AND particularly Dak hasn't enough ability to succeed even with a pretty excellent roster.
Let it go, we are in a mess, Dak and Jerry are now indelibly linked, due to the contract.

this year.!!!! its cap management...we are not good at managing the cap..... and this year we had 23M on the cap left which we decided not to you.
. how do you manage the cap over the lifetime of the contract across your players.

its more complex, because you looked at 25, with contracts not redone, which allows the team to lower the cap.
looking at averages and then manage it year to year as needed, yes pushing money down the road to allow youself to sign FAs and be competitive. every team does it.

average AAV of top 6 contracts for cowboys 168 (I made a mistake, I thought it was 163).
average AAV of top 6 contracts for Eagles 171M (it was another team that was highe).

based on averages, then the contract is spread over the years, and that's where a good contract management person can manipulate and redo contracts to open cap space, and push money down the road.

point is we are no worse off than any other team in the league.

our GM sucks. you want to complain about Dak...great. who gave him that contract? who waited until last hour to get that contract signed? who is making those decisions? who decided we are not going to draft QBs. who decided to trade for Lance to make him 3rd stringer and waste 5M of the cap. who decided to sign Zeke over henry. or even resign Pollard

this team has had holes, major holes. we have had good rosters and got wasted.

nobody is coming up with a solution. everyone is singularly focused on Dak and not understanding the man in charge is the one who is screwing it all up. he has been doing it for 30 years. same results.

Dak is linked to Jerry. Jerry was linked to Romo, prior to that he was linked to others..... there is only one common thread.

 

[blueblood70]

"You need to have a complete offense and not turn the ball over."

Which is exactly what Dak does every playoff game. You can count on it.

How some of you just walk right into this stuff you didn't realize you have to have a complete offense to start with,

meaning a strong run game ,at least an above average clean offensive line, not committing penalties, wide receivers getting open... That hasn't happened in the last three or four playoff games I don't care what you think you saw with your eyes we all saw the games too many penalties from the offensive line the not opening holes run game is sad absolutely sad under 3 yards per carry no impact plays no big plays there was no games running wild there was no Saquon Barkley running wild..

And have a defense that says if you do make a mistake we'll fix it for you like the Rams did a few years back fo so back to your theory yesr Matthew Stafford, yes Matthew Stafford led the league in interceptions ,you can count on it threw 2 interceptions in the Super bowl, you can count on it ,but guess what happened in that Super Bowl, didn't matter.... didn't make excuses didn't blame the quarterback there sure probably was a reason one or or both of those interceptions maybe weren't his fault maybe they got tipped maybe they came off the hands of the receiver I don't remember the circumstances, but it doesn't matter right because they won the Super bowl, they won the Super bowl despite 2 interceptions by their quarterback...strange

I also find it ironic that a couple years back you know when we were I believe it was that Green Bay loss remember at halftime everything looked lost look the same way for the San Francisco game too against the lions.. SF had the same bad first half ,they were down by the same amount of points, the offense wasn't playing well, but guess what happened their defense special teams and coaching kept the game close they literally were making stops enough that they made strides and adjustments at halftime and guess what happened San Francisco came back and won the game..

you know what happened after halftime for the Dallas Cowboys defense they gave up three straight touchdowns let alone the touchdown to start the game to get us down 7 points they gave up 21 straight points to start the second-half without the help of any turnovers, you can't play team ball and literally what you talking about a complete offense, since when?

I can almost guarantee if you gave Prescott what you gave Goff when you're running back is giving you 10 yards per carry you're oline is blocking ,guys are open, and somehow I don't know what happened to Jared Goff why he needed to turn it over three times.. LJ had henry and defense he still cpoked, yup andrews did drop the 2 pointer BUT wouldn't have come to that without the TOS from LJ but his team kept it close. DESPITE the TOS.. 3-4 TPO?? was only down 2 points hmm that TEAM BALL.. Defense did not fold and blame the quarterback or the tight end for their mistakes they just kept fighting.. TEAM BALL

Prescott does press like most quarterbacks when you don't have a run game and I guarantee you go and look at the run game for the playoffs just go back five playoff games and go look at the yards per carry and any impact plays from the run game and the offensive line or the receivers and then tell me he turned the ball over if all those were happening at that level then we can talk because we all know there were games where the offensive line could not open up holes for the run it was under 3 yards per carry almost every game they also had high penalty games they had a game where they had 11 penalties you're asking your quarterback to not have a run game be 1 dimensional and play behind the chains because your offensive line is getting beat a lot of times with a four and five man front where they're playing zone and now they don't even have room to throw the football on time because the receivers are getting separation....


so back to your theory yes so back to your theory yes when they're saying if you have a complete offense that will help balance and take the pressure off the quarterback and you gotta add in defense but when did we have a complete offense because when we did Prescott won those games they played pretty good in his first game against the Green Bay Packers and nearly won that wasn't on Prescott that was on the defense then the 2018 he beat the Seattle Seahawks and the second round he didn't play bad Peterson have a defense again you can go to all these games there's penalties there's just terrible team play all over the place and you're saying you think the offense was complete and all these losses no we never had a dynamic run game that one time in the playoffs when Prescott lost or if the line was blocking like sometimes I'm watching jalen hurts it looks like practice it looks like 7 on 7 they told him don't rush yeah they told the defense don't rush that's what it looks like sometimes and he has back there I don't know what you think you're saying but when someone makes a statement and you quote it and then say well that's because Prescott you can count on turnovers no not when you get the complete offense...

So let's call it like it is the Dallas Cowboys as a team has been losing but truly it really has not been on the quarterback because he has yet and then any of these losses recently had any complete offense or team it's been quite the opposite. He has shown in the past when you give him those benefits he wins those games more than he doesn't but he at least has good games....

 

[pansophy]

A case can be made that you need an elite QB to put up acceptable numbers against the best teams in the league, which is what we see in the playoffs.

 

[Clove]

You need elite QB play to win a Super Bowl. I'm stamping it now.

 

[charron]

You need playmakers on offense and defense. Guys who can make splash plays in the tough games before the game gets out of hand.

 

[gtb1943]

How some of you just walk right into this stuff you didn't realize you have to have a complete offense to start with,

meaning a strong run game ,at least an above average clean offensive line, not committing penalties, wide receivers getting open... That hasn't happened in the last three or four playoff games I don't care what you think you saw with your eyes we all saw the games too many penalties from the offensive line the not opening holes run game is sad absolutely sad under 3 yards per carry no impact plays no big plays there was no games running wild there was no Saquon Barkley running wild..

And have a defense that says if you do make a mistake we'll fix it for you like the Rams did a few years back fo so back to your theory yesr Matthew Stafford, yes Matthew Stafford led the league in interceptions ,you can count on it threw 2 interceptions in the Super bowl, you can count on it ,but guess what happened in that Super Bowl, didn't matter.... didn't make excuses didn't blame the quarterback there sure probably was a reason one or or both of those interceptions maybe weren't his fault maybe they got tipped maybe they came off the hands of the receiver I don't remember the circumstances, but it doesn't matter right because they won the Super bowl, they won the Super bowl despite 2 interceptions by their quarterback...strange

I also find it ironic that a couple years back you know when we were I believe it was that Green Bay loss remember at halftime everything looked lost look the same way for the San Francisco game too against the lions.. SF had the same bad first half ,they were down by the same amount of points, the offense wasn't playing well, but guess what happened their defense special teams and coaching kept the game close they literally were making stops enough that they made strides and adjustments at halftime and guess what happened San Francisco came back and won the game..

you know what happened after halftime for the Dallas Cowboys defense they gave up three straight touchdowns let alone the touchdown to start the game to get us down 7 points they gave up 21 straight points to start the second-half without the help of any turnovers, you can't play team ball and literally what you talking about a complete offense, since when?

I can almost guarantee if you gave Prescott what you gave Goff when you're running back is giving you 10 yards per carry you're oline is blocking ,guys are open, and somehow I don't know what happened to Jared Goff why he needed to turn it over three times.. LJ had henry and defense he still cpoked, yup andrews did drop the 2 pointer BUT wouldn't have come to that without the TOS from LJ but his team kept it close. DESPITE the TOS.. 3-4 TPO?? was only down 2 points hmm that TEAM BALL.. Defense did not fold and blame the quarterback or the tight end for their mistakes they just kept fighting.. TEAM BALL

Prescott does press like most quarterbacks when you don't have a run game and I guarantee you go and look at the run game for the playoffs just go back five playoff games and go look at the yards per carry and any impact plays from the run game and the offensive line or the receivers and then tell me he turned the ball over if all those were happening at that level then we can talk because we all know there were games where the offensive line could not open up holes for the run it was under 3 yards per carry almost every game they also had high penalty games they had a game where they had 11 penalties you're asking your quarterback to not have a run game be 1 dimensional and play behind the chains because your offensive line is getting beat a lot of times with a four and five man front where they're playing zone and now they don't even have room to throw the football on time because the receivers are getting separation....


so back to your theory yes so back to your theory yes when they're saying if you have a complete offense that will help balance and take the pressure off the quarterback and you gotta add in defense but when did we have a complete offense because when we did Prescott won those games they played pretty good in his first game against the Green Bay Packers and nearly won that wasn't on Prescott that was on the defense then the 2018 he beat the Seattle Seahawks and the second round he didn't play bad Peterson have a defense again you can go to all these games there's penalties there's just terrible team play all over the place and you're saying you think the offense was complete and all these losses no we never had a dynamic run game that one time in the playoffs when Prescott lost or if the line was blocking like sometimes I'm watching jalen hurts it looks like practice it looks like 7 on 7 they told him don't rush yeah they told the defense don't rush that's what it looks like sometimes and he has back there I don't know what you think you're saying but when someone makes a statement and you quote it and then say well that's because Prescott you can count on turnovers no not when you get the complete offense...

So let's call it like it is the Dallas Cowboys as a team has been losing but truly it really has not been on the quarterback because he has yet and then any of these losses recently had any complete offense or team it's been quite the opposite. He has shown in the past when you give him those benefits he wins those games more than he doesn't but he at least has good games....

all that drivel hat just denies the reality that Dak chokes

 

[gtb1943]

You need elite QB play to win a Super Bowl. I'm stamping it now.

Dilfer Johnson Flacco Eli all won sbs and they were not elite

 

[gtb1943]

also add Russel Wilson Nick Foles Mathew Stafford

 

[CowboyoWales]

this year.!!!! its cap management...we are not good at managing the cap..... and this year we had 23M on the cap left which we decided not to you.
. how do you manage the cap over the lifetime of the contract across your players.

its more complex, because you looked at 25, with contracts not redone, which allows the team to lower the cap.
looking at averages and then manage it year to year as needed, yes pushing money down the road to allow youself to sign FAs and be competitive. every team does it.

average AAV of top 6 contracts for cowboys 168 (I made a mistake, I thought it was 163).
average AAV of top 6 contracts for Eagles 171M (it was another team that was highe).

based on averages, then the contract is spread over the years, and that's where a good contract management person can manipulate and redo contracts to open cap space, and push money down the road.

point is we are no worse off than any other team in the league.

our GM sucks. you want to complain about Dak...great. who gave him that contract? who waited until last hour to get that contract signed? who is making those decisions? who decided we are not going to draft QBs. who decided to trade for Lance to make him 3rd stringer and waste 5M of the cap. who decided to sign Zeke over henry. or even resign Pollard

this team has had holes, major holes. we have had good rosters and got wasted.

nobody is coming up with a solution. everyone is singularly focused on Dak and not understanding the man in charge is the one who is screwing it all up. he has been doing it for 30 years. same results.

Dak is linked to Jerry. Jerry was linked to Romo, prior to that he was linked to others..... there is only one common thread.

Everybody was super excited going into 2023 and was an excellent roster, indeed Dak got MVP votes....but WE/ Dak showed that we still needed more....but that MORE includes more composure from a QB when under pressure.
To put it simply, we can't afford Dak on such a contract, when he's too needy....indeed he's never shown what he actually needs, all we know his fanbase have used every other aspect as an excuse.
HE ISNT GOOD ENOUGH. IF HE COULDNT DO IT WITH THE 2023 ROSTER .... HE ISNT GOING TO...NOT ALL HIS FAULT, HE JUST ISNT GOOD ENOUGH (ESPECIALLY, WHEN HE's STRESSED).

 

[rambo2]

All 4 qbs today are better than Dak.

Dak is injured and he can't run anymore. We can't change that. It will play out. The only way it can work out for them is to have a dominant run game and that's a long shot. I would draft Jeanty if he was there at 12 and draft another runner later. Skattebo or the Tennessee runner could be a good 2nd back.

 

[Clove]

Dilfer Johnson Flacco Eli all won sbs and they were not elite

I stand by what I said, and of course you'll have a couple here and there that breaks through, although they will give you elite QB play during that run. And how many Elite QBs won a title? Nothing is absolute, but majority always wins. 3 1st rounders left in the big 4 remaining.

 

[gtb1943]

Dak is injured and he can't run anymore. We can't change that. It will play out. The only way it can work out for them is to have a dominant run game and that's a long shot. I would draft Jeanty if he was there at 12 and draft another runner later. Skattebo or the Tennessee runner could be a good 2nd back.

we do need a Stud RB that can make the defenses seriously worry about the run

 

[gtb1943]

I stand by what I said, and of course you'll have a couple here and there that breaks through, although they will give you elite QB play during that run. And how many Elite QBs won a title? Nothing is absolute, but majority always wins. 3 1st rounders left in the big 4 remaining.

I gave you seven names of those that have won SBs in the last 25 years. This proves you wrong.

 

[Clove]

I gave you seven names of those that have won SBs in the last 25 years. This proves you wrong.

And I said, elite QB play, not necessarily elite QBs.

 

[rambo2]

we do need a Stud RB that can make the defenses seriously worry about the run

We need at least 2. I would consider drafting 2. Like Jeanty and Skattebo.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Everybody was super excited going into 2023 and was an excellent roster, indeed Dak got MVP votes....but WE/ Dak showed that we still needed more....but that MORE includes more composure from a QB when under pressure.
To put it simply, we can't afford Dak on such a contract, when he's too needy....indeed he's never shown what he actually needs, all we know his fanbase have used every other aspect as an excuse.
HE ISNT GOOD ENOUGH. IF HE COULDNT DO IT WITH THE 2023 ROSTER .... HE ISNT GOING TO...NOT ALL HIS FAULT, HE JUST ISNT GOOD ENOUGH (ESPECIALLY, WHEN HE's STRESSED).

are you trying to prove Dak sucks? well, awsome. everyone knows he is not an elite QB and needs help.

not sure what you are trying to argue.

and what is the solution? what's your plan? or are you just complaining, which looks more and more like it.

and who gave Dak the contract? who gave him the previous contract? who is in charge of player evaluation? who is in charge of putting a roster together? who is in charge of drafts?

lets dump Dak. now what? if you read any of my other posts, I wanted us to continue to lose at 3-7. and I want us to lose next year and the year after. only prolonged embarassement will force Jerry to change. otherwise its more of the same.

and he is also in charge of managing the cap, which he doesn't do a good job with. he is in charge of negotiation contracts and he doesn't do a good job. people think we get rid of Dak, we get 60M, and hello championships, well heck he was a 4th rounder, under a rookie contract his first 4 years and Jerry couldn't do it. Romo was under a rookie UDFA contract for years and jerry couldn't do it. what makes people feel like there is a saviour, and angel per se who is going to come to dallas and over come all the dysfunction, by his lonesome!!!!

now, complain all you want. I will give you sympethatic ear. get it out of your system. because your comments changed from cap issues, to know trying to prove Dak can't do it.

no excuses. Dak hasn't done it. he hasn't been good enough. this team hasn't been good enough for 30 years. ...unless you are blaming pre dak era on Dak because of Karma or something like that!

 

[rambo2]

are you trying to prove Dak sucks? well, awsome. everyone knows he is not an elite QB and needs help.

not sure what you are trying to argue.

and what is the solution? what's your plan? or are you just complaining, which looks more and more like it.

and who gave Dak the contract? who gave him the previous contract? who is in charge of player evaluation? who is in charge of putting a roster together? who is in charge of drafts?

lets dump Dak. now what? if you read any of my other posts, I wanted us to continue to lose at 3-7. and I want us to lose next year and the year after. only prolonged embarassement will force Jerry to change. otherwise its more of the same.

and he is also in charge of managing the cap, which he doesn't do a good job with. he is in charge of negotiation contracts and he doesn't do a good job. people think we get rid of Dak, we get 60M, and hello championships, well heck he was a 4th rounder, under a rookie contract his first 4 years and Jerry couldn't do it. Romo was under a rookie UDFA contract for years and jerry couldn't do it. what makes people feel like there is a saviour, and angel per se who is going to come to dallas and over come all the dysfunction, by his lonesome!!!!

now, complain all you want. I will give you sympethatic ear. get it out of your system. because your comments changed from cap issues, to know trying to prove Dak can't do it.

no excuses. Dak hasn't done it. he hasn't been good enough. this team hasn't been good enough for 30 years. ...unless you are blaming pre dak era on Dak because of Karma or something like that!

They were good enough when Murray fumbled and the Dez no catch. They looked good enough in 2016 when Romo came back and led them right down the field for td.

 

[Clove]

You guys can circumvent it as much as you want, it starts with elite QB play and I'll die on that hill. You can't have a QB out there throwing INTs, getting sacks all over the place, missing targets, overthrowing at a high rate.

 

[rambo2]

You guys can circumvent it as much as you want, it starts with elite QB play and I'll die on that hill. You can't have a QB out there throwing INTs, getting sacks all over the place, missing targets, overthrowing at a high rate.

You have to have a qb with escapability. That’s why they should sign Lance. It will be interesting. The Cowboys saw Hurts and Barkley break 3 long tds and advance to the NFC championship.