You don't need elite QB play to win playoff games

[garyo1954]

Word. Weather.
Football harder to grip, throw, catch.

Gameplan use legs often. Hold onto ball.
.minimize chance of TO.

 

[noshame]

Some QB stats from the divisional round. All these elite qbs and none of them put up huge numbers. You need to have a complete offense and not turn the ball over. People overrate how good you have to play to win a playoff game.

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR	RTG
Mahomes	16/25	177	7.1	1	0	66.3	98.2
Hurts	15/20	128	6.4	0	0	49.4	91.2
Lamar	18/25	254	10.2	2	1
Allen	16/22	127	5.8	0	0

You can't hurt your team in the playoffs, you need to convert on 3rd and 6 instead of throwing a 2 yd pass.
Defenses have to respect your arm, backing off in coverage.
So yes, you don't need elite, but you need that clutch throw to keep a drive alive.
Stats don't tell the whole story, no turnovers, and a handful of clutch plays can make the difference and get it done.
Unfortunately we don't have a guy who capable of ANY OF THAT.
So we don't need elite, but it would be nice,.
I'll settle for above average, AGAINST GOOD DEFENSES.

 

[ClintDagger]

You don’t need elite QB play, just an elite QB.

 

[Mr_437]

1) Don't ever try and act like Dak is like these QBs, he's not even close.
2) It's about turnovers and Dak averages around one pick per playoff game.
3) You guys bring up defense, when offense accounts for roughly $100M more cap dollars, Offense should be scoring points to support the defense.

All the money is on Dak, and propping up/supporting Dak. Dak is a turnover machine and 3 n out savant in the Playoffs, and with a lack of resources the defense can't make up for the QB1's shortcomings.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I totally agree that the problem starts and finishes with Jerry, and the focus should be on him. I dont hate Dak he's a good QB, excellent if he's given a lead, it's just he's had his chance (as evidenced in the three 12-5 years, that were serviced by restructured CAP money). But at the end of the day he cant go to the next level because he hasnt got that ice cold composure to produce at the most crucial moment..... so there is absolutely no point in paying him a higher % of the CAP and expecting better results.
You're right, it's ultimately Jerry's fault for giving the contract.....but the problem for Dak, is that by accepting/negotiating for that contract he's linked to Jerry. To be fair we are at a crossroads, either throw money at TRYING TO BECOME RELEVANT, FROM SUCH A LOW STARTING POINT (Cap's for effect), or UNFORTUNATELY hoping for further misery in 2025, to enforce change (in Jerry and by extension look at the QB question, which at that point would probably see Dak cut......and we start again with the draft QB).

I mostly agree. I was advocating this past summer, that this should be Dak;s last year and both parties should just move away and go separate ways. however, Jerry left himself no options. he didn't pick up Lance's 5th year and Rush, god bless him he is smart, is not the answer, nor any money saved is going to lift this team over the top. and Dak wasn't under contract. so Jerry had zero QBs on the roster for 25 and no plans. he also wanted Dak back for money reasons. 60M wasn't the issue for him, it was an investement to pay back, with having the top 10 most popular jersey sales and 2nd in MVP, something Jerry would cash in on.

now, I think the next 4 years are doomed. he is not going to hire a top notch coach. no top notch coach will come here knowing jerry and his meddling. we probably settle for another mid level coach, giving it a shot or someone like Moore, because Jerry can control him. he will sign a token FA or two, not top end, but mid level and claim cap cap cap. the culture is not changing. this team can't get over the hump because not just Dak, but as a team they are not tough minded. they are soft. they expect things to go wrong and for them to lose and that's the mindset in the team, that in the end they can't make plays to win it. they miss plays to lose it.

we need a total annihilation of the cowboys for a couple of years, for jerry to change his ways. his goal is for cowboys to be just relevant enough. that's where he makes the most money and gets the most attention

 

[DCwarrior]

Playoffs, we tallking about the playoffs that we didn’t make or Madden playoffs?

 

[McKDaddy]

And if you don't have strong O and Dlines, those playmakers won't do you a bit of good!!!!

1000 likes. They are just fancy furnishings in a crumbling house.

Get your trenches to positions of strength, THEN weapons can make a difference.

 

[McKDaddy]

when offense accounts for roughly $100M more cap dollars, Offense should be scoring points to support the defense.

Well said!!

I think more people need to reconcile their thoughts with this. You can't spend all the time & attention to one side of the ball yet expect the other to carry you.

 

[conner01]

Some QB stats from the divisional round. All these elite qbs and none of them put up huge numbers. You need to have a complete offense and not turn the ball over. People overrate how good you have to play to win a playoff game.

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR	RTG
Mahomes	16/25	177	7.1	1	0	66.3	98.2
Hurts	15/20	128	6.4	0	0	49.4	91.2
Lamar	18/25	254	10.2	2	1
Allen	16/22	127	5.8	0	0

You need an elite QB are you wouldn’t have put up those stats

 

[kskboys]

Well said!!

I think more people need to reconcile their thoughts with this. You can't spend all the time & attention to one side of the ball yet expect the other to carry you.

Or even be competent!!!!

 

[DandyDon52]

Some QB stats from the divisional round. All these elite qbs and none of them put up huge numbers. You need to have a complete offense and not turn the ball over. People overrate how good you have to play to win a playoff game.

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR	RTG
Mahomes	16/25	177	7.1	1	0	66.3	98.2
Hurts	15/20	128	6.4	0	0	49.4	91.2
Lamar	18/25	254	10.2	2	1
Allen	16/22	127	5.8	0	0

all these guys have a good run game, and playoffs is a good time to use the run game.
Not making mistakes, no int's no fumbles .
Rams lost due to 2 key fumbles.

good coaching and game plans, play calling all come into play.
It helps to have a good smart qb who can throw accurately and stay cool under pressure, and know where to throw.
Thats why brady did so well.
(these things wont show up in stats)

Also the ability and smarts to make big plays when you need them by qb's.

 

[CowboyFrog]

All 4 TEAMS are better than the cowboys. All for GMs are better than Jerry

And this year all 4 QBs were better than Dak

100%...again get any QB you want and watch Jerry make them a loser...
Mechanic: "Your engine is Jacked"
Cowboys fans: "Yeah but can you get me that new cheaper steering wheel anyway?"

 

[Mark]

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[Chuck 54]

If you don't "need" elite QB play, why exactly are we paying wak Prescott 60M a year if Rush or any other rethread can step in and "win" in the playoffs? Why?! This was obviously an apologist thread but they don't realize this star proves how expandable Dak is and how foolish it was to pay him top dollar

Rush and no other retread belong in a discussion with the guys listed. The point was that good teams can win without elite QB play, but you also cannot have QBs who give the games away. You still need guys who make the right decisions at the LOS.

 

[kskboys]

Rush and no other retread belong in a discussion with the guys listed. The point was that good teams can win without elite QB play, but you also cannot have QBs who give the games away. You still need guys who make the right decisions at the LOS.

Look at the Cam vs PManning super bowl. Neither QB played well. And who won? The QB who didn't turn the ball over.

 

[shabazz]

Look at the Cam vs PManning super bowl. Neither QB played well. And who won? The QB who didn't turn the ball over.

The one outlier this makes me think of is the SB that the Steelers won over the Seahawks. Roethlessberger had a passer rating under 25 and 2 Ints and zero TDs.........of course the Seahawks were called for twice as many penalties. Shocker

 

[HonoluluCowboy]

Some QB stats from the divisional round. All these elite qbs and none of them put up huge numbers. You need to have a complete offense and not turn the ball over. People overrate how good you have to play to win a playoff game.

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR	RTG
Mahomes	16/25	177	7.1	1	0	66.3	98.2
Hurts	15/20	128	6.4	0	0	49.4	91.2
Lamar	18/25	254	10.2	2	1
Allen	16/22	127	5.8	0	0

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[McKDaddy]

The one outlier this makes me think of is the SB that the Steelers won over the Seahawks. Roethlessberger had a passer rating under 25 and 2 Ints and zero TDs.........of course the Seahawks were called for twice as many penalties. Shocker

That game was blatantly given to the Squealers.

 

[SultanOfSix]

yet they didn't win it. bottom line. everything else is a spin.

and we had #1 seed with Romo and lost to the Giants at home.....

they choked. no matter ho you cut it.

Yeah, but three teams “choked” that year, including the undefeated Patriots with Brady and BB.

The Cowboys lost on the last play of the game. Choking is when you lose at halftime, ultimately giving up 46 points to a #7 seed because your QB turns it over multiple times and can’t sustain drives and score points until the defense decides to play loose.

This is one of the reasons why it’s stupid to equate Romo and Dak based on end results. It’s superficial and simplistic. Romo was good enough to win in almost all of the playoff games that were played. Yes, he could’ve played better, but the competition is higher, the ball sometimes has to bounce the right way, and other team members sometimes need to step up too and not make mistakes.

 

[gtb1943]

The one outlier this makes me think of is the SB that the Steelers won over the Seahawks. Roethlessberger had a passer rating under 25 and 2 Ints and zero TDs.........of course the Seahawks were called for twice as many penalties. Shocker

He still has the record of the worst performance by a QB on the winning team in SB history