You don't need elite QB play to win playoff games

[Zman5]

That stat line shows all the winning teams had better defenses and running game. . Even with average QB play they were able to win because of it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

They were good enough when Murray fumbled and the Dez no catch. They looked good enough in 2016 when Romo came back and led them right down the field for td.

yet they didn't win it. bottom line. everything else is a spin.

and we had #1 seed with Romo and lost to the Giants at home.....

they choked. no matter ho you cut it.

 

[rambo2]

yet they didn't win it. bottom line. everything else is a spin.

and we had #1 seed with Romo and lost to the Giants at home.....

they choked. no matter ho you cut it.

The Dez thing was just bad luck.

 

[Tabascocat]

Lets pick the four best running QB’s to make some point?

 

[CowboyoWales]

this year.!!!! its cap management...we are not good at managing the cap..... and this year we had 23M on the cap left which we decided not to you.
. how do you manage the cap over the lifetime of the contract across your players.

its more complex, because you looked at 25, with contracts not redone, which allows the team to lower the cap.
looking at averages and then manage it year to year as needed, yes pushing money down the road to allow youself to sign FAs and be competitive. every team does it.

average AAV of top 6 contracts for cowboys 168 (I made a mistake, I thought it was 163).
average AAV of top 6 contracts for Eagles 171M (it was another team that was highe).

based on averages, then the contract is spread over the years, and that's where a good contract management person can manipulate and redo contracts to open cap space, and push money down the road.

point is we are no worse off than any other team in the league.

our GM sucks. you want to complain about Dak...great. who gave him that contract? who waited until last hour to get that contract signed? who is making those decisions? who decided we are not going to draft QBs. who decided to trade for Lance to make him 3rd stringer and waste 5M of the cap. who decided to sign Zeke over henry. or even resign Pollard

this team has had holes, major holes. we have had good rosters and got wasted.

nobody is coming up with a solution. everyone is singularly focused on Dak and not understanding the man in charge is the one who is screwing it all up. he has been doing it for 30 years. same results.

Dak is linked to Jerry. Jerry was linked to Romo, prior to that he was linked to others..... there is only one common thread.

I'm ignoring your first 3 paragraph's as I dont know what you mean (neither, by the sound of it, do you).

Plan for 2025, because of the low starting point: new coaching system and pretty much holes throughout the roster, this is a 'show me' year, show us the intended systems and allow the new HC to evaluate what he's got (inc Dak, especially mobility wise).

We're going to need to restructure contracts just to fill out the roster and i'd certainly look at O-Line in Free Agency (as draft is pretty weak at Tackle) that will be around for extended contract: Robinson or Stanley....though I doubt we'll get either because as with Henry there will be a better teams with just as much available CAP.

We have to stop this 'rinse and repeat' and if we're seriously getting rid of Jerry we're going to need another failure. I dont see a way that we can manage a SB with Dak's contract and saving $140m and drafting a replacement should be the way to proceed.

 

[McKDaddy]

Elite play doesn't always mean gaudy numbers.

 

[kskboys]

You need playmakers on offense and defense. Guys who can make splash plays in the tough games before the game gets out of hand.

And if you don't have strong O and Dlines, those playmakers won't do you a bit of good!!!!

 

[rambo2]

Mahomes is elite at drawing penalties when none are committed.

 

[charron]

And if you don't have strong O and Dlines, those playmakers won't do you a bit of good!!!!

Definately need playmakers along the DL.

 

[75boyz]

Mahomes and Allen are elite.
Mahomes has not had a statistically elite regular season year but has proven capable consistently in the past.
Allen has had a statistically elite regular season year.
Jayden Daniels is a rookie. His potential/ceiling already appears elite based off his regular season.
Jalen Hurts is not an elite passer.
He is not AS elite a runner as Lamar Jackson but maybe only a half step less.
He did not have a statically elite passing regular season.

Imo 3 of the 4 are, and Hurts is no slouch himself.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'm ignoring your first 3 paragraph's as I dont know what you mean (neither, by the sound of it, do you).

Plan for 2025, because of the low starting point: new coaching system and pretty much holes throughout the roster, this is a 'show me' year, show us the intended systems and allow the new HC to evaluate what he's got (inc Dak, especially mobility wise).

We're going to need to restructure contracts just to fill out the roster and i'd certainly look at O-Line in Free Agency (as draft is pretty weak at Tackle) that will be around for extended contract: Robinson or Stanley....though I doubt we'll get either because as with Henry there will be a better teams with just as much available CAP.

We have to stop this 'rinse and repeat' and if we're seriously getting rid of Jerry we're going to need another failure. I dont see a way that we can manage a SB with Dak's contract and saving $140m and drafting a replacement should be the way to proceed.

I see Dak as a concern in getting to superbowl. I don't see the contract.

and I have b een advocating that every 3,4 years we should spend a top three draft pick on a QB, either to develop, then trade or if not good move on and next!!

that would even give us negotiation leverage when time comes, but jerry being the idiot that he is, left himself no leverage, now a second time. we had zero QBs under contract for 25 and nobody that could give him leverage that if I don't get my numbers, I just go to the next player and have confidence its going to be ok....Rush, Lance, neither under contract and neither really the answer to anything (and I know there are 1000s of comments and arguments about those two).

I don't see how its going to change. Jerry is not focused on winning championships. he is focused on Money. evern Dak's contract was an ROI evaluation...Dak was top 10 in jersey sales, popular and #2 in MVP....meaningless to die hard fans, very meaningful to average and casual Dallas fans that Jerry panders to

 

[CowboyoWales]

I see Dak as a concern in getting to superbowl. I don't see the contract.

and I have b een advocating that every 3,4 years we should spend a top three draft pick on a QB, either to develop, then trade or if not good move on and next!!

that would even give us negotiation leverage when time comes, but jerry being the idiot that he is, left himself no leverage, now a second time. we had zero QBs under contract for 25 and nobody that could give him leverage that if I don't get my numbers, I just go to the next player and have confidence its going to be ok....Rush, Lance, neither under contract and neither really the answer to anything (and I know there are 1000s of comments and arguments about those two).

I don't see how its going to change. Jerry is not focused on winning championships. he is focused on Money. evern Dak's contract was an ROI evaluation...Dak was top 10 in jersey sales, popular and #2 in MVP....meaningless to die hard fans, very meaningful to average and casual Dallas fans that Jerry panders to

I totally agree that the problem starts and finishes with Jerry, and the focus should be on him. I dont hate Dak he's a good QB, excellent if he's given a lead, it's just he's had his chance (as evidenced in the three 12-5 years, that were serviced by restructured CAP money). But at the end of the day he cant go to the next level because he hasnt got that ice cold composure to produce at the most crucial moment..... so there is absolutely no point in paying him a higher % of the CAP and expecting better results.
You're right, it's ultimately Jerry's fault for giving the contract.....but the problem for Dak, is that by accepting/negotiating for that contract he's linked to Jerry. To be fair we are at a crossroads, either throw money at TRYING TO BECOME RELEVANT, FROM SUCH A LOW STARTING POINT (Cap's for effect), or UNFORTUNATELY hoping for further misery in 2025, to enforce change (in Jerry and by extension look at the QB question, which at that point would probably see Dak cut......and we start again with the draft QB).

 

[Hadenough]

Some QB stats from the divisional round. All these elite qbs and none of them put up huge numbers. You need to have a complete offense and not turn the ball over. People overrate how good you have to play to win a playoff game.

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR	RTG
Mahomes	16/25	177	7.1	1	0	66.3	98.2
Hurts	15/20	128	6.4	0	0	49.4	91.2
Lamar	18/25	254	10.2	2	1
Allen	16/22	127	5.8	0	0

But you do need a QB that can convert crucial 3 Rd downs and is respected enough so the defense can't focus solely on stopping the RB. Dak isn't respected at all.

 

[Hadenough]

The weather was not that bad. It was more the Defenses simply playing better

Hahahaha!!!
6 degrees in Buffalo and a snowstorm in Philly.

 

[Hadenough]

I totally agree that the problem starts and finishes with Jerry, and the focus should be on him. I dont hate Dak he's a good QB, excellent if he's given a lead, it's just he's had his chance (as evidenced in the three 12-5 years, that were serviced by restructured CAP money). But at the end of the day he cant go to the next level because he hasnt got that ice cold composure to produce at the most crucial moment..... so there is absolutely no point in paying him a higher % of the CAP and expecting better results.
You're right, it's ultimately Jerry's fault for giving the contract.....but the problem for Dak, is that by accepting/negotiating for that contract he's linked to Jerry. To be fair we are at a crossroads, either throw money at TRYING TO BECOME RELEVANT, FROM SUCH A LOW STARTING POINT (Cap's for effect), or UNFORTUNATELY hoping for further misery in 2025, to enforce change (in Jerry and by extension look at the QB question, which at that point would probably see Dak cut......and we start again with the draft QB).

The Arch Manning sweepstakes has begun. Jerry is going to hire a scapegoat coach for a one year tank.

 

[Hadenough]

The OP trying to make a point in order to further his hidden agenda not to blame Dak for team failures.

You still need a QB who does not make stupid mistakes, choke the game and makes key plays with his arm and legs during the game. Dak comes out on the short end in all three.

May I add, a QB that doesn't go cold for 3 quarters of the game leaving his defense to keep the ocean out with a broom.

 

[CowboyoWales]

The Arch Manning sweepstakes has begun. Jerry is going to hire a scapegoat coach for a one year tank.

Do we think Jerry's that smart (or is able to consider cutting Dak). I suppose the hope is Dak shirt sales fall off a cliff and someone can get into Jerry's ear that he can save $140m (money in his pocket) by cutting Dak after next season on a Post-June.

 

[Cmac]

If you don't "need" elite QB play, why exactly are we paying wak Prescott 60M a year if Rush or any other rethread can step in and "win" in the playoffs? Why?! This was obviously an apologist thread but they don't realize this star proves how expandable Dak is and how foolish it was to pay him top dollar

What happens in the warmer months when the opponent's punter is on the sideline all game playing with the cheerleaders?

 

[Coogiguy03]

Don't need it, you just need to PAY HIM above everyone else that is actually better than him

 

[Hadenough]

Do we think Jerry's that smart (or is able to consider cutting Dak). I suppose the hope is Dak shirt sales fall off a cliff and someone can get into Jerry's ear that he can save $140m (money in his pocket) by cutting Dak after next season on a Post-June.

We see a massive dollar loss but Jerry sees a massive marketing gain for the next 12 years if they draft Manning.