Joe Milton has 'lottery odds' to become an NFL star

[Jarntt]

I'd like to see Milton come in for Dak on 4th and short or goal line plays.

Any creative play calling with a mobile QB is better than just running the RB up the middle and getting hit in the backfield.

While I totally agree, and I will throw in QB sneaks as an even more obvious time to use him because Dak is not good at all at them and Milton should be, didn't we all hope for that with Lance also and we never saw it or even saw a glimpse of a desire to do it. A big difference of course would be that Milton may be dressed anyway on game day as a #2, but if the team was going to do this with Lance they would have dressed him as well and Schotty was on the staff.

 

[Chasing6]

And here we go.....
Your boy Dak...didn't he step out of bounds and we lost the game because of that, it year 8 of his NFL career, not in college where they can learn from it.

If Dak did not get hurt Trance would have stepped on the filed. In fact he barely did even when he got hurt. It will be similar for Milton.

Hopefully he can at least get to QB2, unlike Trance.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Totally agree…he’s another athlete that coaches thought they could make a QB. When teams trade QB’s on rookie deals, it’s a good indication they’re not NFL caliber players.

Hopefully we draft a guy and he takes the back-up spot. Milton is good as a project #3 guy. But I’m pretty sure Milton chose Dallas because he expected to be the #2.

Not sure why re-signing Rush was a problem. He didn’t get a huge contract and he’s honestly earned it with his play. He was sorta the perfect back-up for a fragile player (mentally and physically) like Dak.

 

[Chasing6]

If Dak did not get hurt Trance would never have stepped on the filed. In fact he barely did even when he got hurt. It will be similar for Milton.

Hopefully he can at least get to QB2, unlike Trance.

 

[Pass2Run]

I was at the camp his rookie year and he was terrible. The reason he became what he end up being was due to hard work and luck. Had Carter not been caught smoking weed Romo would have been cut and would not have had a chance to improve himself as a qb. At least not as a Cowboy.

Carter wasn't smoking weed. More like crack. For two years, Bill Parcels laid out little hints with words like "moxie." No one wanted to believe it at the time, but I argued back then, when most fans thought nothing of Romo, that he was at least our future starter.

I was a Carter supporter, but he wasn't getting it done. The debate later turned to Henson taking over. I could clearly see that wasn't going to happen.

Anyway, Romo was always gonna be the man...but few in the fan base knew it.

 

[blueblood70]

If you ever saw Romo at camp his first two years there is no way you would have thought he'd end up being a top starting QB in the NFL. In fact he was terrible at camp in his rookie year with his funky throwing motion

watch players like Geno Smith and Sam Darnold and I don't want to keep using Baker Mayfield but he was really good in college at a bigger program and easier to turn his career around.

Players sometimes are slow to develop it's not much different than we watched miles Austin go from nothing his first almost three seasons of doing no stats with the Cowboys to end up being a really good player had it not been from the hamstring he was on his way to a really good career...

 

[Jarntt]

I don’t have a problem rolling the dice on a developmental player with all the physical tools.

My concern is with who’s coaching and developing him.

I think the Cowboys may have some coaching roles backwards.

Ken Dorsey was coaching Josh Allen at the start of his career. He’s turned out alright.

Who exactly has Shimko developed?

I love the new coaching staff. This is not one of the hires that I like and this is IMO can be a very important miss if this kid doesn't do a good job.

 

[jazzcat22]

If Dak did not get hurt Trance would have stepped on the filed. In fact he barely did even when he got hurt. It will be similar for Milton.

Hopefully he can at least get to QB2, unlike Trance.

Jerry screwed up by not allowing MM to play Trey Lance.
They feared him as fans did, he would eventually out play Dak.
Now fans like you will fear Milton. So need to not like him.

Did not take you long to start in on him.

 

[js66]

We traded for a 6’5”, 250lb QB who looks pretty mobile, is athletic enough to do a backflip and may have the biggest arm in the NFL. These are all unteachable talents.

He was impressive in his only NFL start, there seems to have been considerable demand for him, he costs nothing salary wise, is under team control for 3 more years and has all the physical tools of a very high draft pick. He has a year of NFL experience already and will have another year or two on the practice field and in the classroom to prepare before he has to show anything. He may even have a chip on his shoulder as well. Is he a project, of course he is, but you are teaching someone with unbelievable measurables and athletic ability. Things that can’t be taught. There is a very high ceiling and we’ve risked almost nothing.

We traded a cup of coffee for the guy apparently because… on top of all that… he really had his heart set on being a Cowboy. If you hate this move, I don’t know what to say…

 

[Chasing6]

Almost all of the greatest NFLers of all time were average to below in college.

Stupid GM's get fascinated with measurable over what they see in game film.

If measurables don't translate on the field what is the point? Players with potential should be drafted after the 4th round.

 

[blueblood70]

Carter wasn't smoking weed. More like crack. For two years, Bill Parcels laid out little hints with words like "moxie." No one wanted to believe it at the time, but I argued back then, when most fans thought nothing of Romo, that he was at least our future starter.

I was a Carter supporter, but he wasn't getting it done. The debate later turned to Henson taking over. I could clearly see that wasn't going to happen.

Anyway, Romo was always gonna be the man...but few in the fan base knew it.

Doesn't change the fact that in between some really nice throws and all this moxie, they even have a bad delivery make bad decisions couldn't read an NFL defense, it took Romo sitting and learning and he developed.

they're saying that New England fans are saying that about Milton that he's definitely different than he was in college and early on in camp no one's saying he's going to turn out to be great but everyone lifting their leg on this dude that could even be a number 2 he's saying this guy can't even be a backup like Joshua Dobbs tyrod Taylor and Jacoby brissett and guys like that that have developed into really good number twos..

and this guy saying there's no way? yes there is a way, some guys are slow to develop and Romo was one of them he needed the time to fix some of his warts..



I'm not saying this guy's going to develop into anything, but I'm saying he can also get rid of his warts it turned out to be a solid player whether that's a #2 or a viable starter somewhere in this quarterback starved league where players just keep moving around.

I mean look at Trey Lance getting another chance $6.5 million over there with Harbaugh of all people trusting that he might be able to fix this guy, than Milton has just as much of a chance.

We see it with skill players but guys like Geno Smith and Sam darnold have found a way to fix their careers they got better it took them some time but they got better this guy saying in his post because he saw what he did in college and there's no way that he can even turn into a number 2 is this absolutely ridiculous...​

Miles Austin went from nothing and literally look like he was lost and didn't belong in the league to being a really good wide receiver, and had it not been for injuries he could've been a star in this league it took him time the light finally came on. I mean isn't this the kind of thing we're getting from tolbert people don't believe in him but he's steadily getting better and he didn't get to sit for two four off seasons and learn he got thrown right in it and I believe he's gonna turn a corner and get better I don't know what he's gonna turn into but everyone acting like this guy is not gonna be a good NFL wide receiver it's just like the original poster and some of you have no faith that players can develop..

The only thing that's important is the guy's got a decent football IQ, and it's coachable, and is willing to be better....​

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he's got a body and athleticism that's almost exactly like Cam Newton, so now we got to just figure out can they turn him into something that looks similar to Cam Newton.. he has the base athleticism the body and they say he's coachable and they say he's learning...​

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that's all I need to know, that doesn't mean anything, I know, but it also doesn't mean the way he played in college means he's never going to do anything in the NFL...​

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Wasn't this a knock on a guy like Josh Allen literally had terrible accuracy problems only played 27 games wasn't even that good in Wyoming but scouts seen something in him it was the raw athleticism the way he could run the football move and it's rocket arm nobody thought even as a rookie that he was gonna be able to get that stuff fixed and I know it's very few percent it may not be the lottery like they're talking about above but guys can be fixed I mean basically Trey Lance was the same way and he may end up being a failure but Josh Allen is one of the stories a very raw talent with a lot of upside that turned his game around and that was one of the best in the NFL...​

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So yes it can happen it'll be very rare and this may not be the guy but I'm willing to watch for myself....​

 

[Chasing6]

I don’t have a problem rolling the dice on a developmental player with all the physical tools.

My concern is with who’s coaching and developing him.

I think the Cowboys may have some coaching roles backwards.

Ken Dorsey was coaching Josh Allen at the start of his career. He’s turned out alright.

Who exactly has Shimko developed?

That sounds great for every position other than QB. The QB positions is more mental than physical.

See Tom Brady.

 

[blueblood70]

Jerry screwed up by not allowing MM to play Trey Lance.
They feared him as fans did, he would eventually out play Dak.
Now fans like you will fear Milton. So need to not like him.

Did not take you long to start in on him.

I agree Cooper rush also got in the way of Lance having any opportunity to prove he can do anything.

he needs to be the only #2 on a team or on a team where he can start all 17 games before we know whether he's a complete bust or not and for sure I would have been one of them that would've been OK to bring him back here to compete with will grier.. I'm OK with that I was..

But in my opinion Milton probably is a better prospect for the Cowboys he's built better he's built like Cam Newton , he's not lean and tall and brittle he's thick athletic ,probably less chance of being banged up, but now at this point we don't know if the Cowboys are going to pick up a veteran Milton has a better shot because he just needs to get as much snaps whether it's garbage time or clean up mop up duty or whenever the quarterback's injured he absolutely let's give these guys more real time on the field...

Possibly our offensive staff could end up being better and more creative I'm in hopes that they get this kid involved in the games as much as possible maybe have packages like taysom hill I know it's not exactly like that but you gotta get guys snaps real snaps you can't bring them in just for one run or a couple of runs a game you need to let them actually run it off and throw the ball occasionally but just give him real opportunities..

 

[gimmesix]

Not really.

So Sam Darnold is not a better QB than he was when he entered the league? Or Baker Mayfield? Or Geno Smith?

Smith may be a good comparison. Throughout his years with the Jets, he never completed more than 59.4 percent of his passes. That was his best year, other than a year when he only threw 42 passes. His low as a starter was 55.8 percent.

Smith was just traded to the Raiders this year after five years in Seattle where his worst completion percentage was 64.7 percent.

His two years starting in New York, he threw either more or as many interceptions at TDs. In Seattle, he didn't come close to doing the same despite throwing more passes each year.

Now, it took Smith years to get there. Same with Darnold. Same with Mayfield.

Unlike you, I believe that players can improve from what they showed in college or even as a rookie.

 

[blueblood70]

We traded for a 6’5”, 250lb QB who looks pretty mobile, is athletic enough to do a backflip and may have the biggest arm in the NFL. These are all unteachable talents.

He was impressive in his only NFL start, there seems to have been considerable demand for him, he costs nothing salary wise, is under team control for 3 more years and has all the physical tools of a very high draft pick. He has a year of NFL experience already and will have another year or two on the practice field and in the classroom to prepare before he has to show anything. He may even have a chip on his shoulder as well. Is he a project, of course he is, but you are teaching someone with unbelievable measurables and athletic ability. Things that can’t be taught. There is a very high ceiling and we’ve risked almost nothing.

We traded a cup of coffee for the guy apparently because… on top of all that… he really had his heart set on being a Cowboy. If you hate this move, I don’t know what to say…

and on top of that if he doesn't work out he doesn't workout at worst I can see him becoming Joshua Dobbs or tyride Taylor or Jacoby brissette and have a good backup career the guy saying he can't even be a good backup is insane if Cooper rush can be a backup for as long as he hung on to the Cowboys almost no arm and no athletic ability then I can at least say that this kid could turn into a solid backup if he wants to if he puts in the work...

 

[blueblood70]

So Sam Darnold is not a better QB than he was when he entered the league? Or Baker Mayfield? Or Geno Smith?

Smith may be a good comparison. Throughout his years with the Jets, he never completed more than 59.4 percent of his passes. That was his best year, other than a year when he only threw 42 passes. His low as a starter was 55.8 percent.

Smith was just traded to the Raiders this year after five years in Seattle where his worst completion percentage was 64.7 percent.

His two years starting in New York, he threw either more or as many interceptions at TDs. In Seattle, he didn't come close to doing the same despite throwing more passes each year.

Now, it took Smith years to get there. Same with Darnold. Same with Mayfield.

Unlike you, I believe that players can improve from what they showed in college or even as a rookie.

You know how to make that mistake all the time putting Baker in with these guys and that's just not correct he was already a bigger star in a bigger college setting and he played pretty well with Cleveland early on Cleveland disappointed him and failed him more than the other way around I hate to admit it because I'm a Longhorn fan I hated the dude in college but he already was better than those two him getting back on track was only because he left Cleveland and once he showcased his skills elsewhere people notice that hey he can be a starter in this league when he's outside of Cleveland...lol

 

[5Stars]

Doesn't change the fact that in between some really nice throws and all this moxie, they even have a bad delivery make bad decisions couldn't read an NFL defense, it took Romo sitting and learning and he developed.

they're saying that New England fans are saying that about Milton that he's definitely different than he was in college and early on in camp no one's saying he's going to turn out to be great but everyone lifting their leg on this dude that could even be a number 2 he's saying this guy can't even be a backup like Joshua Dobbs tyrod Taylor and Jacoby brissett and guys like that that have developed into really good number twos..

and this guy saying there's no way? yes there is a way, some guys are slow to develop and Romo was one of them he needed the time to fix some of his warts..



I'm not saying this guy's going to develop into anything, but I'm saying he can also get rid of his warts it turned out to be a solid player whether that's a #2 or a viable starter somewhere in this quarterback starved league where players just keep moving around.

I mean look at Trey Lance getting another chance $6.5 million over there with Harbaugh of all people trusting that he might be able to fix this guy, than Milton has just as much of a chance.

We see it with skill players but guys like Geno Smith and Sam darnold have found a way to fix their careers they got better it took them some time but they got better this guy saying in his post because he saw what he did in college and there's no way that he can even turn into a number 2 is this absolutely ridiculous...​

Miles Austin went from nothing and literally look like he was lost and didn't belong in the league to being a really good wide receiver, and had it not been for injuries he could've been a star in this league it took him time the light finally came on. I mean isn't this the kind of thing we're getting from tolbert people don't believe in him but he's steadily getting better and he didn't get to sit for two four off seasons and learn he got thrown right in it and I believe he's gonna turn a corner and get better I don't know what he's gonna turn into but everyone acting like this guy is not gonna be a good NFL wide receiver it's just like the original poster and some of you have no faith that players can develop..

The only thing that's important is the guy's got a decent football IQ, and it's coachable, and is willing to be better....​

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he's got a body and athleticism that's almost exactly like Cam Newton, so now we got to just figure out can they turn him into something that looks similar to Cam Newton.. he has the base athleticism the body and they say he's coachable and they say he's learning...​

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that's all I need to know, that doesn't mean anything, I know, but it also doesn't mean the way he played in college means he's never going to do anything in the NFL...​

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Wasn't this a knock on a guy like Josh Allen literally had terrible accuracy problems only played 27 games wasn't even that good in Wyoming but scouts seen something in him it was the raw athleticism the way he could run the football move and it's rocket arm nobody thought even as a rookie that he was gonna be able to get that stuff fixed and I know it's very few percent it may not be the lottery like they're talking about above but guys can be fixed I mean basically Trey Lance was the same way and he may end up being a failure but Josh Allen is one of the stories a very raw talent with a lot of upside that turned his game around and that was one of the best in the NFL...​

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So yes it can happen it'll be very rare and this may not be the guy but I'm willing to watch for myself....​

Ah, hell no, not reading this book!

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Yeah, Hurts was SEC player of the year as a Freshman. Runner up for Heismann balloting as a senior.

Where in hades do people get this stuff from?

Tom Brady started for MICH both his Jr and Sr year and led them to Big 10 titles in both. All-Big 10 conference 2nd team and team MVP his senior year. Set Mich records for most pass attempts and completions in a season.

Once again, where do people get the spew from? I mean, this is incredibly easy to look up.

Great post. I've said it elsewhere, but for anyone who doubts what kind of QB Brady was in college, what the highlights of the bowl game against Bama his senior year I believe when he lead them to victory after being down 2 TDs. It's all there to see - the composure, the accuracy, the will to win, balls of steel, etc.

 

[blueblood70]

Ah, hell no, not reading this book!

The reason we don't talk probably has something to do with your perspective,

you think those are books, 3 very short I would even call them full paragraphs, and you don't have the ability to read it I'd say you better get a different prescription for your ADHD if you can't focus for that long those little bitty characters, I feel for you, seek help...

 

[gimmesix]

You know how to make that mistake all the time putting Baker in with these guys and that's just not correct he was already a bigger star in a bigger college setting and he played pretty well with Cleveland early on Cleveland disappointed him and failed him more than the other way around I hate to admit it because I'm a Longhorn fan I hated the dude in college but he already was better than those two him getting back on track was only because he left Cleveland and once he showcased his skills elsewhere people notice that hey he can be a starter in this league when he's outside of Cleveland...lol

Mayfield threw 21 interceptions his second season (to 21 TDs). He's become a better decision-maker since then, which has helped him be a better QB. The point is that Mayfield grew as a QB from what he was in Cleveland to what he is now in Tampa.

That's to be expected. Now, there are players who don't show the ability to develop and wash out of the league. And Milton may fall into that category, but one reason he was sought after in a trade is that he already has shown some growth in the NFL.