Jane Slater: The three names I keep hearing to the Cowboys in round 1

I wouldn't be unhappy with any of these 3 players. I will be a little surprised if Dallas drafts Nolen in the first. I just don't think going DT again is something Jerry would love to do. I've heard the rumors about Nolen and while I wasn't hot on him before, it makes me wonder if someone is trying to taint him so he falls to them.

I have heard a lot of analysts on NFL radio network saying Pearce is an underrated Edge rusher. I've heard a couple of guys say they think he will be the best pass rusher to come out of this draft.

I still think the pick is Golden. The Cowboys seem desperate for another skill position player and they aren't wrong. I think Golden gets a bad rap for not being productive enough in college. But I think he is an excellent receiver and will have success in the NFL. Pairing him with CeeDee will make both of them more successful.

I think Jane Slater is more tied into the Cowboys front office than some other guys, like Bryan Broaddus. And if these 3 are the Cowboys top targets, I agree with Slater that the Cowboys are thinking in the right direction.

But, it all depends on how the top 11 picks fall. I have seen mocks where Golden and TMac are gone before Dallas picks.
 
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Creeper said:
I wouldn't be unhappy with any of these 3 players. I will be a little surprised if Dallas drafts Nolen in the first. I just don't think going DT again is something Jerry would love to do. I've heard the rumors about Nolen and while I wasn't hot on him before, it makes me wonder if someone is trying to taint him so he falls to them.

I have heard a lot of analysts on NFL radio network saying Pearce is an underrated Edge rusher. I've heard a couple of guys say they think he will be the best pass rusher to come out of this draft.

I still think the pick is Golden. The Cowboys seem desperate for another skill position player and they aren't wrong. I think Golden gets a bad rap for not being productive enough in college. But I think he is an excellent receiver and will have success in the NFL. Pairing him with CeeDee will make both of them more successful.

I think Jane Slater is more tied into the Cowboys front office than some other guys, like Bryan Broaddus. And if these 3 are the Cowboys top targets, I agree with Slater that the Cowboys are thinking in the right direction.

But, it all depends on how the top 11 picks fall. I have seen mocks where Golden and TMac are gone before Dallas picks.
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I agree with this thinking,outside of the top 4 WRs in the draft the pickings are slim and I don't know if they will ever be a NFL no 2.we are being forced to pick a WR either at 12 or in a trade down situation.
 
lane said:
Walter Nolen would be Mazi part deux
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Mazi was never the player Walter was in college though. 2 very different styles and players really.

Mazi Smith was more of a lane clogger in college. Didn't make many plays behind the LOS.

Nolen is known as a twitchy fast DT who actually made players behind the line of scrimmage in college. He had 6 sacks and 25 hurries in college football last year. That is more than Mazi Smith ever had combined at Michigan. And honestly he was a better run stopper than Mazi was in College. Nolen is probably the most explosive DT in the draft.

Give me Nolen. Remember Jalen Carter's "maturity" issues. Fell to the Eagles and look how much of a beast he is on the field. We need a violent DT like him on our front.

I would take Nolen over any WR in this draft.
 
Those are all very good trade back options. Also, trade back into the 1st round options.

If we got Pearce and Nolen, we're loaded on that D-line for years. Remember, Fowler, Kneeland and Sam Williams can play also. Osa and Nolen at DT as pass rush interior is lethal. Mazi plays the 1 tech and we find one in the draft an/or in FA.
 
NDGAEDE said:
I like Martinez a lot as well. I'd prefer a lead Rb than a committee. But I don't see Tuten as a waste of resources. Teams pay a premium for players with elite athleticism + production because they can change games with a single play. I'd expect both him and Henderson to go pretty high in this draft for that reason.

The Lions have shown that there is a huge benefit to having a gamebreaker at RB, especially paired with a complementary skillset. While the complementary guys can be found throughout the draft, the athletes almost always go high.
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Let's not even attempt to place Tuten in the same light as Gibbs. Gibbs is shifty and basically a WR in the passing games, Tuten isn't like that at all.

We can disagree, Martinez is going to bring a mentality in the run, set a tone, bring physicality like these coaches have been talking about all offseason. Martinez is going to break tackles, shake some, and get first while holding onto the ball. Tuten is a decent RB, don't get me wrong, but he's a fumbler. Tuten is a speed supplement, Martinez is a workhorse.
 
gimmesix said:
I like Nolen more than Grant abilitywise. I think Grant could be a high-end NT, but Nolen could be a high-end 3-tech. In this defense, 3-tech is the engine that drives the car.

I initially wanted him at 12, but the concerns about him made me back off. I don't really trust the Cowboys to vet those concerns, though, so if they took him, I'd have to cross my fingers and hope. I think at worst that he'll perform well in spurts.
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Just my thoughts.

I like Walter Nolen. Think he will be very good for a team. He does not fit the Cowboys right now though. A 3T will only be good, if the 1T demands a double team. Dallas doesn't have that right now. Add to that you are paying OSA, and that makes Nolen either a backup or a replacement.
I do realize you could play both of them on passing downs and dl rotate, but I also realize neither will shine until you get the 1T position resolved.

With that, they drafted Mazi, and I think he is getting better, but he is too slow coming off the ball, and can be singled by most guards in the league. They need a 1T and let Mazi rotate with him, IMO, more than they need another 3T to rotate with Osa and SThomas.

Very Basics of 4-3: 1T drives up A gap forcing 2 linemen to deal with him, and jamming up the lane. 3T gets 1v1 vs guard and hopefully works stop run in lane while getting to qb. DE's get 1v1 with tackles, or offenses keep TE in to help (losing a potential receiver). Sam covers TE and plays run strong side, while Mike stops run first, then drops to middle zone on pass plays while Will chases sideline to sideline for runs and takes weak side flats/short zone. DB's can play either zone or man up behind them, but usually SS plays run first and picks up the strong side short zone, while CBs and FS pick up the deep zones. Yes teams do things tons more complicated, but at its base this is it.

Where is Nolen going to drastically improve the D, if they simply single Mazi and double him then?

Pearce ? Maybe. Concerns yes. Kneeland is Tanks replacement. SWilliams, Fowler, Parsons.........the DE from NO. Not saying no, but seems like a smokescreen to me.

Golden ? You take him that high just to be a #2WR, and you pay him in a few years. He better be good enough to replace your current #1WR at that time and he better be a legit #1 WR or you just wasted a high 1st round pick on a guy you have no expectation of being a batman. You don't need to give a #1 pick for Robin, you need to develop him.

So from my opinion and my thoughts.......these are all trade down guys and none are worthy of being the 12th pick for a good NFL team. Smokescreen, at least I hope.
 
Mr_437 said:
Let's not even attempt to place Tuten in the same light as Gibbs. Gibbs is shifty and basically a WR in the passing games, Tuten isn't like that at all.

We can disagree, Martinez is going to bring a mentality in the run, set a tone, bring physicality like these coaches have been talking about all offseason. Martinez is going to break tackles, shake some, and get first while holding onto the ball. Tuten is a decent RB, don't get me wrong, but he's a fumbler. Tuten is a speed supplement, Martinez is a workhorse.
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We may disagree on Tuten, but I'm with you Martinez. He's a complete back.
 
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NDGAEDE said:
We may disagree on Tuten, but I'm with you Martinez. He's a complete back.
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like Tuten too, but I have more reservations, mainly, holding onto the ball. Of course, I like the fact he can go yard if he gets a good crease.

Why do you have Tuten as a main RB, traits wise?
 
RS12 said:


Some serious bust possibilities there. Watch for Pierce on a trade down.
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I would no problem with any of these picks @12. I think the order/stack is Nolan, Golden then Pearce. Need seems to be WR but they know what to expect from Sam Williams and Kneeland coming off injury.
 
Mr_437 said:
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like Tuten too, but I have more reservations, mainly, holding onto the ball. Of course, I like the fact he can go yard if he gets a good crease.

Why do you have Tuten as a main RB, traits wise?
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I'm not sure he's a lead back in the way Martinez is. I think it's more of a Zeke/Pollard situation. With the ratio reversed.

His speed is the number one reason to draft him high, because he can score touchdowns from anywhere on the field as a runner.
 
NDGAEDE said:
I'm not sure he's a lead back in the way Martinez is. I think it's more of a Zeke/Pollard situation. With the ratio reversed.

His speed is the number one reason to draft him high, because he can score touchdowns from anywhere on the field as a runner.
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Ok, so I really like the Pollard type lead RB model. Thanks, that example gives me a better perspective. Absolutely game for Tuten in that role with a power RB later.
 
jblaze2004 said:
Mazi was never the player Walter was in college though. 2 very different styles and players really.

Mazi Smith was more of a lane clogger in college. Didn't make many plays behind the LOS.

Nolen is known as a twitchy fast DT who actually made players behind the line of scrimmage in college. He had 6 sacks and 25 hurries in college football last year. That is more than Mazi Smith ever had combined at Michigan. And honestly he was a better run stopper than Mazi was in College. Nolen is probably the most explosive DT in the draft.

Give me Nolen. Remember Jalen Carter's "maturity" issues. Fell to the Eagles and look how much of a beast he is on the field. We need a violent DT like him on our front.

I would take Nolen over any WR in this draft.
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Tyleik Williams is the player Mazi Smith was purported to be.
 
If they are truly about Culture.
Golden would be the only one out of that list
Nolan can be a beast but there are concerns with him. One play looks great only to look like he is loafing on another..
Pearce has so many off the field concerns in his past that there are teams that have completely removed him from their board.
 
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