Cowboys Get Alarming Draft Label From Mel Kiper

[kskboys]

Well, Kiper gets a Cowboys Fan Site grade of S for Stupid and Slow-witted.

 

[thunderpimp91]

@thunderpimp91 - We usually agree but not on this one. When Covid hit, I was 50 years old. Fat from sitting on my butt for 30 years of office work and I was still doing sets of 10 and I was only lifting to try to keep a little definition. Focused more on flexibility and keeping all my muscle groups relatively strong.

These guys have all the best conditions to do nothing but get in fantastic shape. Everyone but specifically linemen ought to be blowing the bench press up.

All good, I think its more worrisome when posters cant find anything to disagree on.

First off doing 10 reps at 225 at 50 is incredible, hats off to you! You've probably been doing it for so long it doesnt feel like a massive achievement, but even hitting 1 rep at that weight typically takes some training.

Personally I think the bench press for OL is a little overrated of an event. Booker is three inches shorter than Tyler Guyton but has longer arms that Guyton. His build is going to work against him for the bench press event. Just my personal opinion but I wish they would update the bench press and give two different weight options. I'd be more interested in how some of these bigger guys test at 315 as opposed to 225 on bench. Once you get into 20+ reps it becomes as much of a stamina showing than a power display. I know in theory you should be able to say a guy does X reps at Y weight so his max should be Z, but thats not always the case. Plus for a sport like football where plays last a few seconds I'm significantly more invested in what these guys are capable of in terms of more weight/fewer reps. To me getting 5-6 reps at 315 is more impressive than 20 reps at 225. Benching for 30+ seconds at a time just isnt a motion that translates over to football to me. I would much rather see a shorter event that requires more usage of those fast twitch muscle fibers than the slow twitch fibers.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Kiper gave us a B which is higher than he normally grades us. I like Mel, but I think Dallas is one of the teams he doesn't like or pay much attention too.

 

[Rayman70]

I could give 2 chits what Mel thinks. What's alarming is that he still has a gig.

 

[Rayman70]

Kiper gave us a B which is higher than he normally grades us. I like Mel, but I think Dallas is one of the teams he doesn't like or pay much attention too.

Mel grades on a curve depending on which teams feed him the most information and player access. Objectively is optional.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Mel grades on a curve depending on which teams feed him the most information and player access. Objectively is optional.

I've been listening to him since he started the whole mock draft/draft grade craze. He doesn't like Dallas. He is a Ravens Fan. He is from Baltimore. He's not right about everything, but who is?

 

[KingCorcoran]

Mel grades on a curve depending on which teams feed him the most information and player access. Objectively is optional.

He’s an entertainer at this point. The off season doesn’t begin until fans hear the sound of his voice. Most of the guys doing these evaluations and mocks know little more than he does, some even less.

He has carved out quite a career. I sometimes wonder how much of what he says he was told to say.

 

[conner01]

Wasn't kiper pissed that Sanders didn't go in the first? He's trying to stay relevant

He had sanders top rated QB in the draft. I’m not a sanders first rnd fan but he did fall much farther than he should have. But he was never a first rnd QB let alone top at his position

 

[CCBoy]

I could give 2 chits what Mel thinks. What's alarming is that he still has a gig.

Tell sophisticated Mel to catch up with the Cowboys.

Dallas Cowboys offseason recap​

• Notable additions: RB Javonte Williams, DE Dante Fowler Jr., DL Solomon Thomas, G Robert Jones, CB Kaair Elam, LB Kenneth Murray, QB Joe Milton
  
• Notable losses: DE DeMarcus Lawrence, CB Jourdan Lewis, RB Rico Dowdle, WR Brandin Cooks, DE Chauncey Golston, G Zack Martin

Now add in the draft.

RB Jaydon Blue
DE Donovan Ezeiruaku
OG Tyler Booker
CB Shavon Revel Jr

Much cheaper and talented players have replace lost veterans.

 

[tunahelper]

Travis Frederick did 21 bench reps at the combine.
- He has 33" arms.
- He had dominant power in the NFL...

Tyler Booker did 21 bench reps at the combine.
- He has 34-1/2" arms.

Good point. Travis explained that he focuses on one or two rep strength and not number of reps.

 

[stinkface]

The Cowboys tried to trade down. They couldn't get the value of the pick so they stayed pat.

Zack Martin must have been a horrible pick at 16 also!!!

I guess every team from 12 to 21 didn't value Hampton the same as Kiper so they were all wrong to pass on him too.

Kipers hair plugs have apparently rotted at the roots an affected his brain. Same guy that said Sanders was a round one lock. Rotting hair plugs are a bad thing.

 

[StarOfGlory]

What did Martins HOF career bring us?

It’s not Martin’s fault that other important positions didn’t hold up their end. You can start the list with……..

 

[jazzcat22]

He's afraid they'd give him a wedgie about 5 times a day. He always asking for people to share their thoughts. Very annoying!

It is very obvious, Kiper's hair gets in the way of his thoughts.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

It’s not Martin’s fault that other important positions didn’t hold up their end. You can start the list with……..

Romo
Dak

That’s my list.

 

[Hadenough]

Big Reach rd1

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/dallas...oser-mel-kiper-tyler-booker-first-round-grade

Btw I’ve also seen it said that Booker’s 21 reps on the bench were pretty embarrassing for a guy who talks about making people quit.

I don't think Booker is a bad pick. But with Grant or Walker there I think it was the wrong pick.

 

[805BoysInBlue]

Mel.Kiper lmao. Dudes been passed up by so many people as far as relevance.

 

[75boyz]

All good, I think its more worrisome when posters cant find anything to disagree on.

First off doing 10 reps at 225 at 50 is incredible, hats off to you! You've probably been doing it for so long it doesnt feel like a massive achievement, but even hitting 1 rep at that weight typically takes some training.

Personally I think the bench press for OL is a little overrated of an event. Booker is three inches shorter than Tyler Guyton but has longer arms that Guyton. His build is going to work against him for the bench press event. Just my personal opinion but I wish they would update the bench press and give two different weight options. I'd be more interested in how some of these bigger guys test at 315 as opposed to 225 on bench. Once you get into 20+ reps it becomes as much of a stamina showing than a power display. I know in theory you should be able to say a guy does X reps at Y weight so his max should be Z, but thats not always the case. Plus for a sport like football where plays last a few seconds I'm significantly more invested in what these guys are capable of in terms of more weight/fewer reps. To me getting 5-6 reps at 315 is more impressive than 20 reps at 225. Benching for 30+ seconds at a time just isnt a motion that translates over to football to me. I would much rather see a shorter event that requires more usage of those fast twitch muscle fibers than the slow twitch fibers.

This is Senior Draft Analyst of OurLads scouting service David Syvertsen's verbatim take on Booker:
"Needs Work:" Has been getting a tremendous amount of attention ever since Daniel Jeremiah lifted him up. I was not there with him following film study but the poor workout further cemented that notion.
While olinemen are not going to win or lose a lot of rows on the position stack from a workout, there is something behind being underwhelmed by his movement on tape and the poor 10 yard split, 40 time, jumps and agility scores.None of his scores are even halfway decent."

From me: I get it. The old he's a gamer guy. I'm Roll Tide as a college fan. You don't have to tell me about this guy.
With that said He needs to shut up and play. I want to see if he can legitimately beat out Hoffman in a fair TC competition first before crowning him Larry Allen.
This is just some additional food for thought from a paid professional.

 

[MyFairLady]

We are gonna ride our stud guards all the way to the championship like always.

 

[stuckindc]

I don't think Booker is a bad pick. But with Grant or Walker there I think it was the wrong pick.

Grant would have been nice.

 

[beware_d-ware]

For one, Mel Kiper basically retired a decade ago.

For another, he's losing it. So I don't really care what he has to say anymore.

For a third, bench presses don't really matter for OLs. For a 320 lb All-American, bench reps of 225 are an endurance exercise. They measure your ability to keep repping a "light" load, not your max strength for 5 seconds of an NFL play.