Depth Chart, where things stand at OT

[speedkilz88]

Those OL will look a lot better in pass protection when they have a running threat the defense has to worry about.

 

[gtb1943]

Jerry doesn't set the game day rosters.

I got a bridge in brooklyn for sale real cheap...

 

[gtb1943]

What happened to position flex?

you do not move a All PRO to another position he is nowhere near as good unless the roof is falling in
like when they had to move Martin to RT for a while because we were desperate

but only for a while

 

[gtb1943]

Thats not true at all.
Tyler Smith grades per PFF
22: 73.3
23: 74.4
24: 75

He has improved slightly each season but there is no marked difference in his score from OT to OG. He does rank lower when stacked there because teams out their best OL at LT.
But he was never below average. He was a day 1 immediate starter graded player. 25 of 81 players at OT.

Compare that to Guyton who is 49.4 and Steel who was 67.

Dallas cannot allow play at LT like Guyton deployed last year ever again. No team overcomes that, and Dak is no longer immune to injury.

second team all pro at guard says a lot more than anything else

 

[jterrell]

second team all pro at guard says a lot more than anything else

Sure, then he didn't make it last year even though he was arguably better.
OGs are a lot easier to find than LTs.
Thus the drafting of Booker this year even though they desperately needed an LT.
.
I was right there with this opinion last year, but you know the interior OL will be fine without Tyler Smith.
LT is a complete hole. I'm fine giving Guyton a shot but that's got to be a very short leash, and we have nothing else there.

If you don't have an LT you don't have an OL.

 

[CCBoy]

Sure, then he didn't make it last year even though he was arguably better.
OGs are a lot easier to find than LTs.
Thus the drafting of Booker this year even though they desperately needed an LT.
.
I was right there with this opinion last year, but you know the interior OL will be fine without Tyler Smith.
LT is a complete hole. I'm fine giving Guyton a shot but that's got to be a very short leash, and we have nothing else there.

If you don't have an LT you don't have an OL.

He is strongly trainable with current staff and physically very talented. My money is on the man!

 

[jterrell]

He is strongly trainable with current staff and physically very talented. My money is on the man!

I hope you are correct.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year after utterly terrible college blocking grades.
Then he was abysmal.
AFAIK, he is no longer working with Duke either.

He is super athletic; but I wonder if moving him inside makes more sense. Build him into a pulling OG.

 

[Stash]

Guyton can make a leap or become more of a bust. We will have to wait and see.

As for Steele. I dont have hope that he turns it around. He was always bad in Pass Pro to begin with.

Steele did show considerable improvement as the season progressed.



I think a change from Solari as offensive line coach will be a good thing for him.

 

[Jumbo075]

LT - Tyler Smith
LG - Tyler Booker
C - Hoffman
RG - Beebe
RT - Tyler Guyton

 

[CCBoy]

Schottenheimer is looking to a youthful offensive line that features not one or two, but three first-round picks — inclusive of Tyler Smith and Tyler Booker — alongside a high-upside third-rounder in Cooper Beebe and a proven starter in Terence Steele to become the new Great Wall in Dallas.

His is a regimen that includes ditching fried foods entirely, ratcheting up his intake of steak, fish and other proteins, and even stretching for one hour each day in an intensely hot garage (this is summer in Texas, after all). His dedication to leveling up in Year 2 has not gone unnoticed, either, evidenced in the fact he was praised highly by head coach Brian Schottenheimer — despite the incoming question having not been about Guyton at all.

"I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Tyler Guyton. He's having a terrific offseason. He's working his *** off. He looks great." Schottenheimer went on to compare his potential turnaround in 2025 to that of one wideout in particular, having witnessed a 180-degree turn from a young Cowboys' draft pick not long ago; but also noting how the addition of Klayton Adams as offensive coordinator and Conor Riley as offensive line coach have already begun benefitting Guyton.

"I think some of the new things that come from Klayton and Conor Riley really fit him," Schottenheimer explained. "He hasn't played offensive line a whole lot. Then he played right tackle for Oklahoma. Then he played left tackle [for the Cowboys], and it's obviously a premier position, and he missed quite a lot of time in training camp.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/...ok-for-2025-i-have-a-lot-to-prove-for-cowboys

 

[CCBoy]

A recommitted heart giving the work for change:

Getty I

 

[blueblood70]

Guyton won't bust. He is too talented. And one big thing both him and Steele have going for them this year is coaching. The upgrade of OL coaching can't be understated.

Wow I can agree he's not going to bust but he may not last that left tackle if he can't handle it but at worse he'll be our future right tackle I don't think Terrance Steele is going to be here next year he'll play out his contract and that will be it...

So, the future at right tackle could be guyton and then we might have to go into the draft looking for a left tackle or get a veteran left tackle..

But it won't be a waste of a pig I think people keep forgetting that the trade down to pick this guy he's attached to Cooper BB and Cooper B he's going to be very successful so if you want to switch the pics it's still a successful draft if you can get two starting offensive lineman out of it even if one ends up at right tackle and he was supposed to be the left tackle it's still a good draft...

I think people need to keep that kind of perspective this was a trade down to pick this player they knew he was a little raw the whole season last year was bad some of its was blamed on the coaching staff and the scheme and whatever else it was all gone to turdville but when you look at it as those two are attached at the hip it was a very good draft...

This is not the draft where we picked Mazi Smith which was a total reach, and he may not make it and then you followed up in the 2nd round with a backup tight end and now we have an injured 3rd rounder and overshone who's the only pick of the draft at really any good that draft was not good at all...

2024 IMHO a very good draft

• Round 1, Pick 29: Tyler Guyton (OT, Oklahoma)
• Round 2, Pick 56: Marshawn Kneeland (DE, Western Michigan)
• Round 3, Pick 73: Cooper Beebe (G/C, Kansas State)
• • Round 3, Pick 87: Marist Liufau (LB, Notre Dame)
  • Round 5, Pick 174: Caelen Carson (CB, Wake Forest)
  • Round 6, Pick 216: Ryan Flournoy (WR, Southeast Missouri State)
  • Round 7, Pick 233: Nathan Thomas (OT, Louisiana)
  • Round 7, Pick 244: Justin Rogers (DT, Auburn)

 

[blueblood70]

I don't know what's wrong with this fan base I mean you guys think that every draft they should just walk in and be NFL ready like players just instantly just come in and walk into the starting position especially when you're talking about left tackle or center or a critical position it is not that way this is something called developmental coaching..

Exactly what are the coaches for ?it sounds like we don't need coaches, we should just have a head coach and it's chuck the players out in the field and if they're not good at year one cut the whole draft, cut the whole lot of them, because fans think that everybody should be a Pro Bowler in year 1 or they're a bust

Simply no gray area with a lot of fans they literally see no middle into all this yes some players come out of the draft in their superstars but they still take time to develop into that some of them don't turn out to be good at all but there are a lot of players in the drafts that can be very good role players and I don't care whether they're picked they end up on a team and they stay with the team for a while and they have a role that is a successful drafted player it is I know people expect more they keep talking about where a guy was picked it don't matter you just need to find your place in the NFL and if that's as a role player or a rotational player that does not make them a bust...

 

[thunderpimp91]

I don't know what's wrong with this fan base I mean you guys think that every draft they should just walk in and be NFL ready like players just instantly just come in and walk into the starting position especially when you're talking about left tackle or center or a critical position it is not that way this is something called developmental coaching..

The issue is this is exactly what the Cowboys did with Guyton. He was drafted and handed a starting position when he clearly was not ready. Ideally he should not be handed a starting position in 2025 either, and should have to have a serious competition with Richards.

 

[CCBoy]

The issue is this is exactly what the Cowboys did with Guyton. He was drafted and handed a starting position when he clearly was not ready. Ideally he should not be handed a starting position in 2025 either, and should have to have a serious competition with Richards.

Christ, all top end players and first round players are developed and go at least half a season, minimum, to adapt to functional.

NO problem here.

If disagreed with, just draft All Pros...

Booker joins an already young unit lead by fifth-year vet Terence Steele, Tyler Smith entering his fourth season, and second-year returners Tyler Guyton and Cooper Beebe.

Youthful group here...

 

[thunderpimp91]

Christ, all top end players and first round players are developed and go at least half a season, minimum, to adapt to functional.

NO problem here.

If disagreed with, just draft All Pros...

Booker joins an already young unit lead by fifth-year vet Terence Steele, Tyler Smith entering his fourth season, and second-year returners Tyler Guyton and Cooper Beebe.

Youthful group here...

Not saying anyone needs to be an all pro to see the field, but you can't draft guys and hand them starting positions when they clearly are not ready. Guyton way possibly the worst starting Tackle in the league a season ago. You can't claim to be serious about winning a championship while sending out that big of a liability week after week at LT. It was a major mistake to hand him the job last season, Jerry even admitted so himself not long ago.

 

[CCBoy]

Strong player familiarity doesn't hurt this picture at all...

Jones has plenty of starting experience at guard from his days with the Miami Dolphins last season and Hoffman is another versatile player who brings experience at all interior spots; he was Beebe's primary backup center last season.

Schottenheimer, offensive coordinator Klayton Adams and offensive line coach Conor Riley have a lot to figure out in setting the offensive line. Using this time in preliminary practices to survey their options should be beneficial in the long run if they find a unit they like.

Worth noting: Beebe was coached by Riley at Kansas State for five seasons.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti..._offensive_line_versatility/s1_17615_42261432