Dak on his legacy - I want to win a championship

Johannes44 said:
The MVP isn’t a spelling contest or an IQ test. It’s a vote generally based on pure athleticism. Cam had athleticism in spades. What he lacked was the grey matter between the ears.
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The greatest athletes in football didn't all win an MVP award. There are lots of elite athletic players who've never won that award before.
 
mcmvp said:
Just curious if you ever get tired of this narrative? I mean, pretty much everyone already knows this simple concept. It’s not like you are bringing anyone fresh info.

The simple fact is he plays QB, and he’s the highest paid one at that. A QB is not the only reason a team wins or loses, but he is the one that can affect the game’s outcome more than any other position. He’s the one that is supposed to elevate the play of the other players around him.

When Dak is getting paid the amount he is, and the Cowboys are getting the results they are, you are fighting a very steep uphill battle when you expect everyone to divide the blame equally
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You said, "the quarterback is supposed to elevate the play of the players around him", correct? That's fair.

Well according to this statement you made.....

1. That nullified all the years of excuses Matthew Stafford got for having a CAREER record of 17-70 vs winning teams being blamed on his stint in Detroit. He was considered a better talent being drafted in the first round. So if a 4th round pick like Dak is held to this standard, then ALL quarterbacks drafted in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds have zero excuses. If quarterbacks truly must elevate the play of the other players around him.

2. This means that we must place more respect on Trent Dilfer and Nick Foles names, more than Jim Kelly and Dan Marino because Kelly and Marino COULD NOT elevate the play of the players around them to have achieved a Superbowl victory like Foles and Dilfer achieved. Again, this falls under the umbrella of quarterbacks elevating the play of the other players around them.

3. We also have to place Colin Kaepernick a tier above Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson (currently) due to the fact that Allen and Jackson were unsuccessful at elevating the play of the players around him enough to reach a Superbowl like Colin Kaepernick did.

To conclude, i have absolutely no problem with holding Dak accountable for unsuccessfully elevating the play of the other players around him when it counts the most..... lets just make sure that we keep that same energy for EVERYONE who plays the quarterback position in the NFL.


(Insert excuses and goalpost moving for other QBs here)
 
GINeric said:
You said, "the quarterback is supposed to elevate the play of the players around him", correct? That's fair.

Well according to this statement you made.....

1. That nullified all the years of excuses Matthew Stafford got for having a CAREER record of 17-70 vs winning teams being blamed on his stint in Detroit. He was considered a better talent being drafted in the first round. So if a 4th round pick like Dak is held to this standard, then ALL quarterbacks drafted in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds have zero excuses. If quarterbacks truly must elevate the play of the other players around him.

2. This means that we must place more respect on Trent Dilfer and Nick Foles names, more than Jim Kelly and Dan Marino because Kelly and Marino COULD NOT elevate the play of the players around them to have achieved a Superbowl victory like Foles and Dilfer achieved. Again, this falls under the umbrella of quarterbacks elevating the play of the other players around them.

3. We also have to place Colin Kaepernick a tier above Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson (currently) due to the fact that Allen and Jackson were unsuccessful at elevating the play of the players around him enough to reach a Superbowl like Colin Kaepernick did.

To conclude, i have absolutely no problem with holding Dak accountable for unsuccessfully elevating the play of the other players around him when it counts the most..... lets just make sure that we keep that same energy for EVERYONE who plays the quarterback position in the NFL.


(Insert excuses and goalpost moving for other QBs here)
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Well, MC, you got your answer, he's not tired of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
kskboys said:
Well, MC, you got your answer, he's not tired of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How can anyone get tired of the truth?? That sounds crazy. People would rather believe in and post false narratives than actual real life facts?

That's the problem.

Im still waiting for someone to show me which part of anything I've posted, didn't actually happen. I was told quarterbacks are supposed to elevate the play of the talent around them, correct?

Around here, quarterbacks are measured by the biggest games and post season success, correct?? Why do people set standards for one quarterback, yet give excuses and goalpost moving to other quarterbacks in the same situations?

I've learned long ago, the truth hurts and crush narratives. Its a few sore people around here when it comes to accountability for ALL quarterbacks, not just one. Pretty hilarious.
 
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Hawkeye19 said:
Yes, context and game flow do matter.

Dallas vs NY: Had a wide open Crayton not dropped a 3rd down pass that hit him in his hands and would have likely been a TD— Dallas wins that game. Tony had them positioned to win and NY hung on.

Against GB, we were down 27-0 at the half and melting down on the sideline with zero answers. Dak was the worst player on the field and never gave his team a chance to compete

If you can’t tell the difference between the two games— then you simply don’t understand football.
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so now almost catches and this and that are reason for a loss, picking specific plays. etc.

well if Diggs doesn't drop the sure interception that hit him square in the hands, then yeah, SF doesn't score down in the redzone. if Diggs just gets in with Kittle instead of ducking to hit him, the Kittle doesn't make a big play catch in the middle of the field and SF doesn't drive down to score.

all kinds of little stuff like this can be pointed to as excuses for one or the other.

and why was CD sitting on the sideline against GB pouting? he dropped two sure first down passes that an all pro-wr should have have made.

there are no moral victories to suppor tyou Romo love
 
blueblood70 said:
s like when everyone says Barry Sanders didn't have the offensive line and the talent that Emmett Smith had and that was wrong he had three Pro Bowl and a couple Hall of Fame offensive lineman but people forget that... It's just the Internet I get it but I hate the word never I hate the word always or zero chance or recently what triggered me, was hands down, case closed, period end of story, the best you know that's an opinion right?.
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I know it's a tad off topic but since you mentioned it...I also object to the notion Barry's teams were especially bad. Maybe if Barry had hit the holes instead of juking...
 
GINeric said:
How can anyone get tired of the truth?? That sounds crazy. People would rather believe in and post false narratives than actual real life facts?

That's the problem.

Im still waiting for someone to show me which part of anything I've posted, didn't actually happen. I was told quarterbacks are supposed to elevate the play of the talent around them, correct?

Around here, quarterbacks are measured by the biggest games and post season success, correct?? Why do people set standards for one quarterback, yet give excuses and goalpost moving to other quarterbacks in the same situations?

I've learned long ago, the truth hurts and crush narratives. Its a few sore people around here when it comes to accountability for ALL quarterbacks, not just one. Pretty hilarious.
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Yeah, but it was the regular old Dakspew that I was referring to. Same stuff reiterated. Sorry, just having fun!!!!
 
GINeric said:
You said, "the quarterback is supposed to elevate the play of the players around him", correct? That's fair.

Well according to this statement you made.....

1. That nullified all the years of excuses Matthew Stafford got for having a CAREER record of 17-70 vs winning teams being blamed on his stint in Detroit. He was considered a better talent being drafted in the first round. So if a 4th round pick like Dak is held to this standard, then ALL quarterbacks drafted in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds have zero excuses. If quarterbacks truly must elevate the play of the other players around him.

2. This means that we must place more respect on Trent Dilfer and Nick Foles names, more than Jim Kelly and Dan Marino because Kelly and Marino COULD NOT elevate the play of the players around them to have achieved a Superbowl victory like Foles and Dilfer achieved. Again, this falls under the umbrella of quarterbacks elevating the play of the other players around them.

3. We also have to place Colin Kaepernick a tier above Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson (currently) due to the fact that Allen and Jackson were unsuccessful at elevating the play of the players around him enough to reach a Superbowl like Colin Kaepernick did.

To conclude, i have absolutely no problem with holding Dak accountable for unsuccessfully elevating the play of the other players around him when it counts the most..... lets just make sure that we keep that same energy for EVERYONE who plays the quarterback position in the NFL.


(Insert excuses and goalpost moving for other QBs here)
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This entire rant is based entirely on a fallacy.

You take the commonly used term "elevate those around him" and twist the obviously intended meaning and create a strawman by adding your own "to a championship", as if to say the one can't be credited with elevating those around him if it doesn't lead to a championship.

It's essentially the same strategy as saying a QB sucks only because he hasn't won a championship.

I love the irony.
 
tromofan said:
You wanna win a championship? Show us you’re serious about that. Sign a form saying you won’t accept another dime in salary until you do. Then you’ll have my attention.
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Dak got paid $4M total in his rookie contract, and the front office did absolutely nothing in to build a championship roster.

So you wanting him accept $0 to prove his devotion to a championship wouldn't have the effect you want.
 
OGSixshooter said:
Facts. Who had a better roster as a rookie? Jaydon Daniels or Dak Prescott?
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While they have Daniels for "cheap", the Commanders front office haven't sat on their hands like JJ did and is still doing. They're building on what they have.

People seem to ignore the $30M+ in cap space JJ is sitting on right now.
 
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