Attention Jerry and Stephen: THIS is what All in really means

Bobhaze said:
The LA rams have once again thumbed their nose at the draft and the old school ways that NFL executives traditionally have chosen to build the key elements of their team.

The aggressive and highly successful rams GM Les Snead has become the supreme river boat gambler of NFL executives by making a huge “all in” move to acquire two time Defensive player of the year and 5 time first team All Pro Myles Garrett from Cleveland. In exchange the rams gave up their talented young LB Jared Verse, a 2027 first-rounder, and a conditional 2029 3rd round pick.

Attention JJ and SJ: THIS is what you call “All in”.

What is admirable about this move is not just that Les Snead and the rams made this move. It was WHEN and WHY they did it.
  • By making the move in the spring, both the rams and the browns have those players in place for all remaining OTAs, mini-camps, training camp, etc. (Unlike a week before the season…if you know what I mean)
  • The rams have shown they are willing to take a big risk WHEN THEY ARE CLOSE TO WINNING IT ALL. Last year the rams were really close to making the SB, losing to the eventual champs, the Seahawks 31-27 in the NFC championship. It was clear they needed a better pass rush. And they got it.
  • Now the rams have to be considered the NFC favorite going into 2026. They are (on paper) what appears to be a much better football team.
In short, the rams GM saw last year that if they didn’t “go for it” and make a big move, they would likely not be better in 2026.

And for everyone saying the rams are “mortgaging their future” by doing this - they have already done this in 2021, and have a Lombardi to show for it. No guarantees this trade will translate to a SB win, but it is a lot more likely now than it was last year.

When the Cowboys say they are not willing to take risks like this with draft capital to “go for it”, then they might as well say, “We’re just hoping we’re going to catch lightening in a bottle”. Les Snead is saying, “Hold my beer while we GRAB that bottle”.

Low risk, low reward.

And here’s the rams playoff record under Les Snead since he took over in 2017:
  • 10-6, 2 NFC championships in 3 appearnces, and 1 Lombardi.
  • Cowboys in that same period: 2-4 with a ton more draft picks and “financial responsibility”.
Who’s ALL IN?
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Bob, You never cease to amaze with your writings. Once again.. Spot on. As much as they claim to be (as one said), Jerry and Stephen are businessmen. Not Football men. You can put more money in certain areas and cut back on others (not being as cheap as the Joneses are) and still build a very reputable roster and still be within the cap. The key thing is knowing where to bolster and know where not to. I am still of the belief that Will McClay and staff know what they're talking about. Plenty of people on here will disagree with that. I personally think it's the Joneses that think they know more than everyone else and keep getting kicked in the butt because of it then they'll come back and say "Thank you can I have another."

The Joneses will only shell out money if it means bring in even more money for them in regards to things for the gift shop or things for the stadium and not necessarily the team in regards to a championship roster.

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With Jerry and Stephen at the helm (as much as I love our boys), I just don't see us getting anywhere anytime soon. It's sad when we as fans know what's going on and can see what it takes to build a championship calibur team yet the Joneses can't *(whether they truly don't know what it takes or they're too cheap to go over the cap if they need to if it means building a championship team .
 
Tangle_Foot said:
Jerry and Steven are businessmen, they're not football men, they aren't savvy enough to pull the moves that the Rams have. If you build solely through the draft you can never miss on premium picks.
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They are savvy in finding creative ways to make money....I actually don't begrudge them. I just hate that as fans we have not held them accountable for the on field results. If winning was the biggest metric in determining VALUE...they would have given up football operations a long time ago. WE are the biggest reasons they get to play fantasy football with our favorite team. Heck just look at the percentage of this fan base that enjoys roster building, the draft and managing the cap MORE than the actual results. This is the hypnotic state we've devolved into!
 
Bobhaze said:
I agree with your assessment.

But we’ve had several teams that were close enough to being really good in the last decade…like 2016 qnd 2022. And other than resigning a bunch of our own “stars” we drafted, our FO has not made what could be considered an “all in” move.

Is there a year or a time I’m missing where this FO went all in to win a championship?
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Not in the last 30 years, but prior to that, Jerry brought in Haley....and then later, he brought in Deion. Those are the only ones I can remember.
 
Bobhaze said:
Who’s ALL IN?
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Yeah, but whos your daddy?


The Rams know how to build a team. Then they lack one or two players and go after them.

We have (maybe) two good players and thats it. Because we dont know how to build a team. This All in or not crap from our blatherer-crew doesnt change squat. Its their annual entrapment for those people who dont know what to do else with their money
 
Cowboyny said:
Question I have are the Cowboys 1 impact player away from being a legitimate championship contender? In my opinion definitely not. Makes zero sense to have an all in year with all they achieve is becoming a playoff team not a SB winning one.
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Normally I’d fully agree with that philosophy, but not really any longer in today’s NFL. This wasn’t a complete rebuild and if this defense works out, they will be in contention. If not, the SB is moot anyway.

We would have all thought we would have heard from the Bengals after the SB appearance, but 2021 was their shot…as one example. I used fully believe in building up to things, but now I think you’ve gotta take a shot at one. Trying to build anything sustainable requires unrealistic draft expectations.
 
Diehardblues said:
Who says he’s on “ ONE freaking leg “if he stays here .

We have an entire roster including the highest paid QB in the league who didn’t have best performances in playoffs .

The good news is Parsons was talented enough to allow us in the 11th hour of failed contract negotiation bail out to afford us the opportunity to recover from that loss with 2 1st round picks .
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KARMA says it bigtime! Laying down on that trainers table set everything in motion. Karma says that actions have consequences which influence future experiences or What goes around comes around! He brought it on himself.
 
MarcusRock said:
Their approach has ALREADY WORKED and they're going for it again with another bold move.

I knew the JDL wouldn't let me down. Page 1 of a Bobhaze thread is the perfect place to JDL-spot, lol.
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I know it’s works. I’m not sure if hoping lighting strikes twice in the same spot is the correct approach.
 
Bobhaze said:
The LA rams have once again thumbed their nose at the draft and the old school ways that NFL executives traditionally have chosen to build the key elements of their team.

The aggressive and highly successful rams GM Les Snead has become the supreme river boat gambler of NFL executives by making a huge “all in” move to acquire two time Defensive player of the year and 5 time first team All Pro Myles Garrett from Cleveland. In exchange the rams gave up their talented young LB Jared Verse, a 2027 first-rounder, and a conditional 2029 3rd round pick.

Attention JJ and SJ: THIS is what you call “All in”.

What is admirable about this move is not just that Les Snead and the rams made this move. It was WHEN and WHY they did it.
  • By making the move in the spring, both the rams and the browns have those players in place for all remaining OTAs, mini-camps, training camp, etc. (Unlike a week before the season…if you know what I mean)
  • The rams have shown they are willing to take a big risk WHEN THEY ARE CLOSE TO WINNING IT ALL. Last year the rams were really close to making the SB, losing to the eventual champs, the Seahawks 31-27 in the NFC championship. It was clear they needed a better pass rush. And they got it.
  • Now the rams have to be considered the NFC favorite going into 2026. They are (on paper) what appears to be a much better football team.
In short, the rams GM saw last year that if they didn’t “go for it” and make a big move, they would likely not be better in 2026.

And for everyone saying the rams are “mortgaging their future” by doing this - they have already done this in 2021, and have a Lombardi to show for it. No guarantees this trade will translate to a SB win, but it is a lot more likely now than it was last year.

When the Cowboys say they are not willing to take risks like this with draft capital to “go for it”, then they might as well say, “We’re just hoping we’re going to catch lightening in a bottle”. Les Snead is saying, “Hold my beer while we GRAB that bottle”.

Low risk, low reward.

And here’s the rams playoff record under Les Snead since he took over in 2017:
  • 10-6, 2 NFC championships in 3 appearnces, and 1 Lombardi.
  • Cowboys in that same period: 2-4 with a ton more draft picks and “financial responsibility”.
Who’s ALL IN?
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Good stuff, Bobhaze. :starspin:
 
Chocolate Lab said:
As said many times, if Wentz had done here what he did in Philly that one year, Jerry would still be trying to make him work.
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That’s tough to say. Wentz has one good year out of his career. We don’t really have any examples of that to compare to. I think Goff would still be here for sure.
 
Bobhaze said:
That’s a fair point.

But I would argue several other points in response:
  • There have been multiple “approaches”. But there has been one GM in charge of all of them, and the results haven’t changed.
  • When was the last time the Cowboys took a calculated major risk with a trade to “go for it”? The Parsons trade was a last minute desperate reactive move because of poor planning. It may pay some dividends - we did get some really good players because of it. But it will take longer than this season to know its value.
  • When was the last time we hired a GREAT coach and let him cook? Twenty three years ago with Bill Parcells. Mike McCarthy was a good coach. But he was never “fully in charge”. No HC here has been since Jimmy left.
Yes we’ve tried several approaches. But we’ve never tried hiring a real GM that knows what they’re doing.
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1. I agree there have been multiple approaches but not one single approach. It doesn’t even seem like they have a plan. They don’t even emulate the plan that helped them win 3 SBs in the 90s. Different eras I get it but the blueprint isn’t much different. Build up the trenches and draft physical players. They haven’t even followed that.

2. I mean the Quinnen Williams move I’d say is that move. Especially when you factor in the early round busts they have had.

But if you are speaking outside of that? Maybe the Roy Williams trade? Trades are something newer that’s happening. It use to be rare to see guys like Myles Garrett and Micah get traded. Khalil Mack was another….i don’t recall too many non quarterbacks getting traded for where you trade your future for the now.

3. They’ve hired terrible coaches for sure. I’m willing to give Shotty the benefit of the doubt but whether he works or not it was a bad hire and how they went about.
 
Bobhaze said:
The LA rams have once again thumbed their nose at the draft and the old school ways that NFL executives traditionally have chosen to build the key elements of their team.

The aggressive and highly successful rams GM Les Snead has become the supreme river boat gambler of NFL executives by making a huge “all in” move to acquire two time Defensive player of the year and 5 time first team All Pro Myles Garrett from Cleveland. In exchange the rams gave up their talented young LB Jared Verse, a 2027 first-rounder, and a conditional 2029 3rd round pick.

Attention JJ and SJ: THIS is what you call “All in”.

What is admirable about this move is not just that Les Snead and the rams made this move. It was WHEN and WHY they did it.
  • By making the move in the spring, both the rams and the browns have those players in place for all remaining OTAs, mini-camps, training camp, etc. (Unlike a week before the season…if you know what I mean)
  • The rams have shown they are willing to take a big risk WHEN THEY ARE CLOSE TO WINNING IT ALL. Last year the rams were really close to making the SB, losing to the eventual champs, the Seahawks 31-27 in the NFC championship. It was clear they needed a better pass rush. And they got it.
  • Now the rams have to be considered the NFC favorite going into 2026. They are (on paper) what appears to be a much better football team.
In short, the rams GM saw last year that if they didn’t “go for it” and make a big move, they would likely not be better in 2026.

And for everyone saying the rams are “mortgaging their future” by doing this - they have already done this in 2021, and have a Lombardi to show for it. No guarantees this trade will translate to a SB win, but it is a lot more likely now than it was last year.

When the Cowboys say they are not willing to take risks like this with draft capital to “go for it”, then they might as well say, “We’re just hoping we’re going to catch lightening in a bottle”. Les Snead is saying, “Hold my beer while we GRAB that bottle”.

Low risk, low reward.

And here’s the rams playoff record under Les Snead since he took over in 2017:
  • 10-6, 2 NFC championships in 3 appearnces, and 1 Lombardi.
  • Cowboys in that same period: 2-4 with a ton more draft picks and “financial responsibility”.
Who’s ALL IN?
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Excellent post. All these facts, Bob, would fall on deaf ears if Jerry and Stephen ever saw them, however.

They are so egotistical and full of hubris they will ALWAYS think their way is the right way, and the past three decades have just been bad luck.
 
Bobhaze said:
True but what made this rams trade for Garrett so intriguing is they made it while clearly being a traditional “one player away” team. They were 4 points from making the SB last year.

The dolphins, colts and Browns have not sniffed big success in decades.
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Fair point. But we don’t know if it’ll pay off yet. The only big trade that seemed to work was when they traded to get Stafford. I don’t know if the consensus was that they were one QB away back then. You could say that the Packers trading Micah was similar to the Garrett trade. Packers were a young team that lost in the final few minutes of the NFC Championship (exactly the same as the Rams).
 
rags747 said:
KARMA says it bigtime! Laying down on that trainers table set everything in motion. Karma says that actions have consequences which influence future experiences or What goes around comes around! He brought it on himself.
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Karma? Lol. If hope ain't a strategy, what is waiting around hoping for karma? So is our 30-year "drought" Jerry getting his?
 
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