Run down on Broderick Jones for Dallas people

Hawkeye19 said:
I don’t have an issue with trading. But if you are going to trade, do it for a guy who can actually play and help your team

Just adding more question marks doesn’t help us
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What team has such incredible offensive tackle depth that they would be willing to trade away one that you know for sure can help?

Jones was the best the Cowboys could have done. Nobody is giving away a Penei Sewell.
 
rags747 said:

SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS​

  • Has strong arms and a powerful grip, and Jones displays the core strength and leg drive that allows him to create movement at the line of scrimmage.
  • An agile mover who puts his length to good use, using his hands aggressively and landing solid initial punches. Jones can move to the second level as a run blocker, with the coordination and balance to hit moving targets.
  • Cerebral player, quick to react to twists and stunts up front, and he shows an excellent understanding of angles when moving out as a run blocker.
  • Shows a good feel for combo blocks, and he displays good quickness and flexibility when moving to the second level, capable of sealing the back side on reach blocks
  • In the run game, he explodes off the line of scrimmage and consistently gets out to the second level to do damage.
  • Possess great grip strength and keeps the grip even when imbalanced
  • Crazy speed for a tackle - has the skills developed from a basketball background to split out and play tight end
  • Outstanding Hand/Grip Strength - enables him to be an elite pass protector
  • Didn't allow a single sack at left tackle in all of 2022
  • Physical and Finisher Mentality
  • He's super strong as you would expect for a five-star recruit - able to rag doll defeenders
  • Smart players with elite spacially awareness
  • Ability to Act as a Bumper if Left Uncovered
  • Punishes Interior Defensive Linemen
  • Elite Core Strength
  • Uses momentum to fuel violent rotations
  • High-level flexibility to quickly swivel
  • Able to match edge rusher's direction changes and quickly stop them in their tracks

  • SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES​

    • Has the traits to improve, but Jones gets impatient in his set, lunging and reaching, and generally playing with poor balance at times. Jones is inconsistent with his kick slide.
    • Needs to work on his technique in pass protection, using more consistent leverage and continuing to move his feet.
    • As an outside chance to stick at left tackle, but he might actually fit better on the right side or kicking in to a guard spot.
    • Stops his feet after initial contact, relying on length but allowing the defender to get the corner or spin inside.
    • Only 22 starts in his entire college career
    • Does not protect his chest and core, leading to inefficient balance
    • Leans and bends at the waist, causing balance issues
    • Technique is not as polished - looks raw
    • Gets overaggressive at times
    • Struggles to maintain leverage through and across reps - lacks some drive as a run blocker - much better in pass protection
    • Too tall off the snap making enabling the defender to win the leverage battle
    • Needs to bend his knees more - too upright at contact
    • SCOUTING REPORT: SUMMARY
    Broderick Jones is probably the best athlete in the entire offensive line class, he's very strong, has elite core strength, cat-like quickness, and has the speed of a tight end. His upside is huge as a pass blocker, however, he isn't nearly as good as a run blocker where he has struggled a little. This is most likely due to the fact that he hasn't played as much as you would like and as a result looks a little raw technically.

    Overall Jones is a top-level prospect with serious potential to be a dominant pro player - he'll be a first-round selection in the 2023 NFL Draft.
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I appreciate you posting this information, I really do. It is helpful. But it is not as relevant as his history in the NFL. He has 3 years in the NFL now and his performance as an NFL player is far more important at this point than what an analyst thought were his characteristics in college.

I am not knocking the Cowboys for making the move. They need to fix the OT problem they have. I am unhappy with the price they paid, considering he had a severe neck injury and has not lived up to expectations since he was drafted.

We also don't know if there are any other moves they attempted to make before getting this deal done. Maybe this is the best player available. I just don't have any expectations that he would be a great addition to the team this year.
 
ScotsCowboy said:
That’s a contradiction in terms.

If we accept your point that Jones is a ‘question mark’, then that, by nature, means we literally don’t know yet whether adding him helps us or not.

A trade that could involve a swap of as few as 10-20 places, and one 6th when we had two anyway, isn’t exactly high stakes gambling.
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It’s a mistake to simply diminish the value of the third round pick to “15-20” spaces

It could be the difference between taking a legit starter or not. The value dips after the third round.

The 6th is far from a “throwaway” asset as well. Particularly when the 2027 is viewed as a talent rich pool.

Suddenly we only have 4 picks in what will likely be one of the best drafts in years? And for what? What amounts to a flyer on a failed first round pick who was likely getting cut anyway.

Just a dumb move that reeks of desperation
 
Hawkeye19 said:
It’s a mistake to simply diminish the value of the third round pick to “15-20” spaces

It could be the difference between taking a legit starter or not. The value dips after the third round.

The 6th is far from a “throwaway” asset as well. Particularly when the 2027 is viewed as a talent rich pool.

Suddenly we only have 4 picks in what will likely be one of the best drafts in years? And for what? What amounts to a flyer on a failed first round pick who was likely getting cut anyway.

Just a dumb move that reeks of desperation
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It's not a linear format mate. So we're now a fanbase that's crying over trading 6th Rd picks. "Reeks of Desperation", yea probably, but thank Steele and Thomas for that. We gave them a chance and we needed improvement.
 
StarOfGlory said:
Teams don't let go of 1st round players, especially at tackle, if they can play. Call me a skeptic.
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They do if they were injured, and they got another player in the first round to replace him, you don’t want two first round salaries
 
Whyjerry said:
That right there is the issue. No problem with a Steele replacement but to give up picks for a guy that could have been had for nothing. That's Jerry Jones garbage asset management.
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How do you know we could’ve got him for nothing, maybe another team picks them up before us
 
Frosty said:
Tackles are being released today...AKA Chicago and Baltimore. Dallas could have waited and got the same caliber player as Jones with out giving up any draft capital.....stupid call IMO
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We’ll have to access, any tackles that are released, in the next week or so, against what we have, it’s like a draft pick, you don’t know what you have until you have it
 
Hawkeye19 said:
It’s a mistake to simply diminish the value of the third round pick to “15-20” spaces

It could be the difference between taking a legit starter or not. The value dips after the third round.

The 6th is far from a “throwaway” asset as well. Particularly when the 2027 is viewed as a talent rich pool.

Suddenly we only have 4 picks in what will likely be one of the best drafts in years? And for what? What amounts to a flyer on a failed first round pick who was likely getting cut anyway.

Just a dumb move that reeks of desperation
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You were the one who (pretty correctly) called it a ‘question mark’. Now all of a sudden it’s a ‘desperate’ move…

Clearly you weren’t being so reasonable after all.

Drawing any conclusion about the guy right now is hasty.

They obviously saw enough in him to offer what is — no matter what you say — relatively low compensation.

You can talk about talent dropping off after the third, but the list of exceptions is glaring. Also, we’re never done hearing about how apparently deep next year’s draft is going to be. A fourth rounder next year could be like a standard third rounder.

These are all hypotheticals at the minute. People need to stop overreacting to this trade.

Imho, I’m happy to trust this coaching staff if they think Jones is worth a shot. The rest of their decision making this off-season has earned that trust.
 
ScotsCowboy said:
You were the one who (pretty correctly) called it a ‘question mark’. Now all of a sudden it’s a ‘desperate’ move…

Clearly you weren’t being so reasonable after all.

Drawing any conclusion about the guy right now is hasty.

They obviously saw enough in him to offer what is — no matter what you say — relatively low compensation.

You can talk about talent dropping off after the third, but the list of exceptions is glaring. Also, we’re never done hearing about how apparently deep next year’s draft is going to be. A fourth rounder next year could be like a standard third rounder.

These are all hypotheticals at the minute. People need to stop overreacting to this trade.

Imho, I’m happy to trust this coaching staff if they think Jones is worth a shot. The rest of their decision making this off-season has earned that trust.
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You don’t know what you have, until you see what you have, totally agree
 
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