Jones Says Record Won't Be Deciding Factor For Garrett

[Coy]

Not true. There were many, many, many losing years in Pittsburgh in the early 70s, most of the 80s, and even recently. The Steelers are not a good football team right now at all.

Pittsburgh doesn't knee-jerk. And they know what kind of football they want to play and draft for it.

I hate them, but I respect them.

But they do have a proven winner who already won a SB and has been to the playoffs 4 times, as of now, it´s a totally different situation than the one in Dallas.
And by the way, I agree with you, I hate them but I respect them.

 

[Coy]

It took Cowher a long, long time to win a Super Bowl, and there were plenty of subpar seasons mixed in. Tomlin inherited a championship team, no doubt. I agree with you there.

Noll coached one of the worst teams in football for several seasons before success started to happen. Much like Tom Landry in that regard. Then he had some bad teams in the 80s, but management stayed the course, again much like Landry.

He made the playoffs in his first 6 years winning the division 5 times, getting to the championship game twice and to the super bowl once, common man.

 

[jobberone]

This only works when you have hired successful coaches in a row. Seattle, San Francisco, Denver... those teams have certainly gone through their share of head coaches in recent years. Once you hit on one, you hope they stay around a while and can develop assistants underneath them who will carry on the system.

But there is no one blueprint that works. If Garrett is perpetually 8-8 or worse, he won't stick around simply because Pittsburgh has only had 3 coaches in 45 years.

That hasn't always been true. But you're right in that they must produce at some point.

 

[visionary]

No...I think Erod is right in that one aspect. I think Jerry is worried it would happen. I think he wants Garrett to be a Sean Payton and we lost Sean.

Now I also believe he wants the credit for Hiring him and sticking with him but I do believe that him being worried about him going elsewhere and having success is a factor as well.

Lol
If Garrett is fired he will maybe get a QB coach job
Success for HC Garrett away from Dallas is conservatively 10+ years away, if that

Jerry just wants to train his next Dave campo

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Just call BS on this one, the win-loss Record will certainly have a determination in who is Coaching.

 

[Idgit]

Since our re


And this is the reason for staying the course. It will pay off in time because they are building the right way and not the Jerry way. Jerry wants success now and I think it finally got thru his thick head you can't buy it and you can't normally luck into it.

I do think Jerry's ego is involved as it likely is most areas of his life. Just not so much now.

I think Jerry's generally happy with the direction of the team right now and really likes Garrett. I don't think it's ego-based posturing at all. (I mean, Jerry's ego affects all his decisions, but I don't think it's particularly invested in Garrett right now).

If Jason doesn't lose the team, it sounds to me like an extension is likely.

But, like any deal in the league, there's no reason to extend before it becomes necessary. There's information that will come this year that will define any extension that might happen, so we'll wait and see how things look at the end of the year unless they look so good he decides to lock it up mid-season. You never know. Jason could lose the team outright, or Harbaugh or someone like him might come available and alter your plan. We'll just have to sit tight and see how the defense plays this season. It is fun watching people try to justify what they want to see happen in light of yesterday's Jerry-speak.

Speaking of which, he was about as incomprehensible as I've ever heard him yesterday. Just painful to listen to.

 

[visionary]

Just think how successful we'd be right now if we'd stuck with Campo all these years.

Dang
We missed out on that "next Landry"

 

[visionary]

Since our re


And this is the reason for staying the course. It will pay off in time because they are building the right way and not the Jerry way. Jerry wants success now and I think it finally got thru his thick head you can't buy it and you can't normally luck into it.

I do think Jerry's ego is involved as it likely is most areas of his life. Just not so much now.

Sticking with the wrong decision is much much worse than recognizing it and changing course

 

[Chocolate Lab]

If it's such a simple blueprint to follow, why don't all teams do this? Just hire some guy, let him stay on until he's ready to go... He can be the worst coach in the league for years, never win a game, etc. Sounds great.

It's a ridiculous argument. Have the Patriots had success with Tom Brady because they've stuck with him for 13 years? Or has he been able to keep his job that long because he's a great player?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

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If the HC has nothing to fear than what sort of precedent does that set for the players?

How can there be a "chain of command" so to speak if it seems to be broken from the top down?

Where is the light at the end of the tunnel here?

ok, do you want him to say that yes it matters and his coaching staff job is on the line, in the opening presser of the TC? seriously what else did you expect!!!!

 

[erod]

He made the playoffs in his first 6 years winning the division 5 times, getting to the championship game twice and to the super bowl once, common man.

And it was because they built an identity and stuck with it, and it was the same identity Noll believed in.

Garrett is TRYING to establish that here. He's scraped the roster down, and he's trying to build it up. Can we not just see it through?

Hiring a new coach, then another, then another.....that's not the answer. There is no fix until an identity is established. It takes time.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Instead I think I'll offer you, and only you, a wager. I'll bet you a steak dinner right now that barring a health related reason Jason Garrett is going to be our Head Coach for at least 10 years. I am taking all the risk on this. He hasn't even started year 4 and I am predicting 6 more at least. Do you want the bet?

I know you said just him, but...

In fact, I'll drive down to Tucson and take your whole family out to steak dinners if you win.

If (When) I win, you can send me a gift card.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I do not think any other team covets Jason as a hot HC candidate if he were to be let go here.

JMO.

I don't either. He's burnt that bridge. He might get one way down the road but he'll probably have to prove himself as a coordinator first.

 

[jobberone]

The Steelers franchise had a bunch of head coaches before Noll got there. So I guess they didn't realize the blueprint until they had a HC who won 4 Super Bowls.

/sarcasm

Noll was very successful. He coached from 69 to 91 winning 4 SBs; the only coach to do so. But it took 4 years to get to the playoffs under Noll. And after an incredible drafting run he only had 4 playoff appearance from 80 to 91. It was his drafting that made the Steelers along with his defensive skills and ability to get good assistants. The Steeler had at least one HOFer drafted from 69-72 with two in 70 and FOUR in 74. There aren't many teams to draft two in one draft much less four. You can argue their merits but there they are.

So Pittsburg didn't magically become a great team but it was built on the backs of its drafts as well as Noll's defensive prowess. And when the great players dried up he couldn't win much of anything afterwards.

You cannot make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

 

[visionary]

I know you said just him, but...

In fact, I'll drive down to Tucson and take your whole family out to steak dinners if you win.

If (When) I win, you can send me a gift card.

You almost feel sorry for some of these guys who feel they have to go to these extremes to defend a mirage because they have tied their internet football credibility to it

If we ever luck into a 9-7 season under Garrett, look out, the chest thumping and preening will be out of control

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

It took Cowher a long, long time to win a Super Bowl, and there were plenty of subpar seasons mixed in. Tomlin inherited a championship team, no doubt. I agree with you there.

Noll coached one of the worst teams in football for several seasons before success started to happen. Much like Tom Landry in that regard. Then he had some bad teams in the 80s, but management stayed the course, again much like Landry.

Noll inherited one of the worse jobs in NFL history and turned them around in 4 years. 1-13; 5-9. 6-8; and 11-3. Two years after that they won the SB. Garrett had a better team than Noll did when he started.

 

[jobberone]

Pittsburgh is a stable organization that starts with the Rooneys guidance. Imitating them without that strong leadership at the top is fruitless. The results came from those coaches after Noll following that blueprint. Jones's organizational philosophy changes constantly, even from year to year with Garrett.

You have a point. Jerry....wanders. But since Garrett has been here they have drafted better....the key to winning...and the team is getting better; although many won't agree with the latter. I think Jerry has been....tempered.

 

[Hostile]

Noll inherited one of the worse jobs in NFL history and turned them around in 4 years. 1-13; 5-9. 6-8; and 11-3. Two years after that they won the SB. Garrett had a better team than Noll did when he started.

12-30 < 24-24 last I checked.

Just saying.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Hiring a new coach, then another, then another.....that's not the answer.

No one would ever advocate something like that.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

12-30 < 24-24 last I checked.

Just saying.

There was also improvement each year. Losing those final games to our divisional rivals three straight years is just baffling. The clock management is the same way. He should be getting better at it.