Keep Vaughn, dump Weeden

[cowboyeric8]

So is Vaughn the new Matt Moore, Alex Tanney.....and list of other players that people hold in high regard when in reality every team in the league has a player like this on the PS?

Yep pretty much

 

[cowboyeric8]

Weeden has a fantastic arm, but that's his issue as well. He thinks he can fire it in to double coverage like Farve use to do. Newsome bailed him out on what should have been the second pick from Tony Carter.

It was a great catch, but to be fair it shouldn't have had to have been, Newsome ran a poor route.

 

[SDCowboy]

I agree. If Romo goes down, the season is over anyway. I'd keep the young guy as a developmental backup and let Weeden go.

 

[Alexander]

I agree. If Romo goes down, the season is over anyway. I'd keep the young guy as a developmental backup and let Weeden go.

Given how Vaughan looked last night, I do not think there is any danger of him not clearing waivers. He had a shot to pull what Tony Romo did early in his career and he is just not ready. No reason to force anything with him at this stage.

 

[conner01]

So is Vaughn the new Matt Moore, Alex Tanney.....and list of other players that people hold in high regard when in reality every team in the league has a player like this on the PS?

there is one every year. a guy comes in and plays against guys who will be working at mcdonalds in a couple weeks and people think he is a star. i see enough to try and develope him, on the PS. i don't see enough to use a roster spot on him

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There is something to Vaughn's game that Weeden seems to lack: awareness. I'm intrigued by the rookie's future while I'm not sure Weeden has anything other than a strong arm.

I say we keep Vaughn over a 6th WR or 9th useless DL man. but not ready to dump Weeden. Vaughn needs 2 or 3 seasons before he is ready much like Romo

 

[gimmesix]

There lies the predicament. Do you have room on the roster for 3 QBs? Do you pray he clears waivers and makes it on the PS? Do you just drop Weeden and gamble that Vaughn can start in a game if Romo goes down?

I think we're done if Romo goes down right away. If we don't want to start the rookie if that happens, we can always reach out to the many bad street vets out there who could lose games for us just as easily as Weeden.

 

[gimmesix]

I like Vaughn a lot. But with Tony's back there's no way you go into this season with an undrafted rookie as primary backup.

You'd rather go into the season with a "vet" who only knows how to throw the ball hard as the primary backup?

 

[xwalker]

Why do you guy say this? I just always wondered where the "If Romo is done this team's done" mantra comes from.....i'm sure there were some that said when Bledsoe got benched for Romo the Cowboys were done.

The Cowboys had better defense back then. In 2014 the offense needs to be elite to compensate for the defense. Having an elite offense with Weeden or Vaughan is unlikely.

 

[gimmesix]

So is Vaughn the new Matt Moore, Alex Tanney.....and list of other players that people hold in high regard when in reality every team in the league has a player like this on the PS?

They are always going to be the new Matt Moore or Alex Tanney until they prove to be the next Tony Romo. The truth is we don't know who the player will develop into so you just go by whether they show the tools to try to develop.

I don't know what Vaughn's future is, and it's most likely with any UDFA QB that they will not turn out great, but I see a guy with the arm to play in this league, with the pocket awareness to play in this league, with the poise to play in this league, with the accuracy to play in this league, etc.

I'd much rather see Dallas try to develop that than go with Weeden simply because he was a high pick and has some experience. Those are the only things I've seen from Weeden that he has over Vaughn.

 

[Doc50]

I like Vaughn a lot. But with Tony's back there's no way you go into this season with an undrafted rookie as primary backup.

Correct.

And Vaughn had some read and accuracy issues last night. He's at least a year away from leading an NFL offense.

There's a lot of #3 QB's out there; he may just make the PS. If not, we'll pick up someone else's #3, with similar potential.

 

[Joe Realist]

They should keep all 3 on the roster.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Because Weeden isn't as good as Romo. Are you going to argue otherwise? I would hope not. The team is 8-8 with Romo, so it's not really a shock people would predict less wins with a lesser QB.

This relationship between loss of starting QB and season going downhill isn't unique to Dallas. Very few teams would actually survive.

Well you're right in that regard. We were 8-8 with Romo or 8-7 with him. But we were also 8-7 with a inconsistent office and lost 2 or 3 games where we simply could've just rode our run game to victory.

So yea, while what you're saying makes sense......its the NFL. Where you can go from last place to first place. Just the whole defeatist attitude.....just because there's no Romo doesn't mean we can't compete. It should mean we rely on our run game more and then what? What if we have the best run game in the league this year? Still miss the playoffs?

The Cowboys had better defense back then. In 2014 the offense needs to be elite to compensate for the defense. Having an elite offense with Weeden or Vaughan is unlikely.

That's what we THINK. We don't know how bad or good this defense if healthy truly is. They may be bad as last year. But if they generate turnovers......its just that you never know. That's my point. And we won't know until the season starts. It won't take a elite defense to win in this league. You can win in this league with a decent quarterback and a good running game.

And this is not me hyping up Weeden or Vaughn. Trust me. I know its highly unlikely they do anything for us. And i'm also aware this team may win 3 games or less next season even WITH Romo. But for me, there's just too many question marks to even make a legit prediction on how good or how bad this team will be.

They are always going to be the new Matt Moore or Alex Tanney until they prove to be the next Tony Romo. The truth is we don't know who the player will develop into so you just go by whether they show the tools to try to develop.

I don't know what Vaughn's future is, and it's most likely with any UDFA QB that they will not turn out great, but I see a guy with the arm to play in this league, with the pocket awareness to play in this league, with the poise to play in this league, with the accuracy to play in this league, etc.

I'd much rather see Dallas try to develop that than go with Weeden simply because he was a high pick and has some experience. Those are the only things I've seen from Weeden that he has over Vaughn.

But you do understand that you saw Vaughn face terrible competition correct? It has to start somewhere but there is absolutely no proof that says if this team is like 8-3 and they need to for some reason sit Romo 3 or 4 games that Vaughn can come in and get them 2 or 3 wins. I just don't see it. I also realize that Weeden wasn't playing with much of the 1st teamers if any as well. He looked inconsitent in preseason.....but with more talent the better he'll be.

But like I said, this isn't about how good Weeden is.....its just Vaughn is not ready and the last thing this team needs to do is throw him to the wolves if he actually DOES have something. There have been 1st round picks who have been thrown to the wolves and have suffered and their career is over. Everyone isn't Russell Wilson or Kapernick and Vaughn surely isn't

 

[Idgit]

I don't really like what I've seen from either player, to be honest. Weeden started out playing pretty well, but he hasn't progressed in preseason. We're going to be below-average at backup QB, probably. But I don't think either option is very likely to develop for us into a player long-term. I'd roll with Weeden because of the big arm and the playing experience, but I'd keep looking.

 

[gimmesix]

But you do understand that you saw Vaughn face terrible competition correct? It has to start somewhere but there is absolutely no proof that says if this team is like 8-3 and they need to for some reason sit Romo 3 or 4 games that Vaughn can come in and get them 2 or 3 wins. I just don't see it. I also realize that Weeden wasn't playing with much of the 1st teamers if any as well. He looked inconsitent in preseason.....but with more talent the better he'll be.

But like I said, this isn't about how good Weeden is.....its just Vaughn is not ready and the last thing this team needs to do is throw him to the wolves if he actually DOES have something. There have been 1st round picks who have been thrown to the wolves and have suffered and their career is over. Everyone isn't Russell Wilson or Kapernick and Vaughn surely isn't

Even against backups you can measure poise in the pocket, decision-making, arm strength, etc. You can also tell when a player doesn't have those things, and Weeden is missing all but the arm strength. He stares down receivers, outright misses them, doesn't read coverage well, etc.

Weeden isn't good enough to get this team 2 or 3 wins; neither is Vaughan at this point, but at this point doesn't really matter. This is about potentially developing at least a backup, and Vaughan has shown reason to see he can become that.

If something happens to Romo, I don't Dallas care who Dallas brings in to screw up the remainder of its games if it doesn't want to "throw Vaughan to the wolves." But I also think too much is made of that. This isn't like Troy Aikman in 1989 where putting him out there was essentially suicide; it would simply give Vaughan a chance to get regular-season playing time and take that and learn from it. If he doesn't have the psyche to handle that, then he probably won't last in this league.

 

[Setackin]

I'd cut weeden and keep Vaughn... Just roll the dice. Let's be 100% honest, if Romo goes down with this defense the season is over... might as well see what u have in the rookie. We already know weeden isn't good, what if Vaughn comes out like romo did in 06.

 

[brickman]

I say we keep Vaughn over a 6th WR or 9th useless DL man. but not ready to dump Weeden. Vaughn needs 2 or 3 seasons before he is ready much like Romo

Unfortunately I think we have 9 use DL men. Hopefully, I'm wrong about that.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Give me Ponder or Mallett if they're let go from their respective teams

I like that thought about Mallett.

 

[windward]

Keep Weeden, put Vaughan on ps.

 

[Coy]

I would do it, if we lose Romo we aren’t worth diddly squat either way so why not gamble on the rookie.