Seattle tells Philly their offense is pretty basic

Reality said:
Chip Kelly's offense is a gambling offense. By that I mean it gambles that it can get first downs consistently and that if they can get a lead on a team, they can get more aggressive on defense.

For example, it's no different than if a team never punted and went for it on 4th down every time no matter the field position. If that team has a game where they convert 8 out of 10 4th down attempts, they come out looking like a dominating offense. If they convert 1 out of 10 4th down attempts, they get exposed and labeled a gimmick offense. It was the same with the old run-n-gun offense. It was high scoring as well long ago, except when it didn't work, and when that happened, it looked really bad.

The problem for Dallas is that it cannot consistently stop other teams on 3rd downs. That plays directly into the Eagles scheme. Dallas can beat the Eagles in Philly, but they can also lose just as easily. No matter the outcome, it's a gamble and whether the Cowboys win or lose next week, it won't make them a better or worse team than they are now. A win will help with their playoff chances of course, but beating the Eagles won't be any real gauge as to how the Cowboys would/will do against other playoff teams.

The bottom line though is the Eagles may beat Dallas and may get into the playoffs, but their gambling offense won't last against good teams over several games.
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To add to this, the strategic downside is that the offense makes no provision for scenarios where it isn't working. There is no in-built risk management system. If it is shut down, it just keeps trying over and over again, hoping that it will go on a run. It's almost injected with the gambler's fallacy. What would concern me more than anything is that if they added just a little more to it. In other words, if they found a way that if the fast pace wasn't working, they could reduce down to a decent traditional offense. I think that if you ever see Kelly with a really talented QB, you will see him start choosing to slow it down with some more wrinkles and additional complexity.
 
There is definitely a gambling element to Chip's offense. He wants to put as much pressure on the other team to keep up. It is a big reason why at Oregon he would go for 2 pt conversion on their 1st TD.
 
Its a basic offense run at a high tempo. It makes a mediocre QB look better by shortening the time the defense has to adjust and basically preventing rotation of players except on offense. Tackle the players when they get the ball consistently and it will move but not take many gashing plays. Most of the plays that really hurt us on thanksgiving were failures to tackle. A 4 yard pass goes for 30. You can't allow that. McCoy breaks 3 tackles to go for 25. You can't allow that.

Hopefully both our lines play better next week then they did on thanksgiving or it will be a long game. Its still a simple game, block and tackle. do those better then the other team and you win.
 
Disrupt Chip's running game and the offense has problems because the tempo is destroyed
 
If you recall the Seahawks made the Broncos offense look pretty basic in the Super Bowl, too. That time, they told us after the game they knew Peyton's play calls. Maybe they cracked the code on Sanchez play calls, too?
 
cowboys2233 said:
That was awesome watching him try to convince the refs that throwing a ball out of bounds in the general direction of a receiver is intentional grounding. Despite the fact that has NEVER been ruled intentional grounding, you had to admire his determination! LOL.
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Like Tom Brady calling for a flag when he's getting tackled HARD inbounds with the ball in his hands. Good grief!
 
Crown Royal said:
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To add to this, the strategic downside is that the offense makes no provision for scenarios where it isn't working. There is no in-built risk management system. If it is shut down, it just keeps trying over and over again, hoping that it will go on a run. It's almost injected with the gambler's fallacy. What would concern me more than anything is that if they added just a little more to it. In other words, if they found a way that if the fast pace wasn't working, they could reduce down to a decent traditional offense. I think that if you ever see Kelly with a really talented QB, you will see him start choosing to slow it down with some more wrinkles and additional complexity.
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I suggest that Kelly get acquainted with something called PMBOK...lol.
 
boysfanindc said:
I think it was Kurt Warner who did a segment on the pregame show, that showed the Beagles running the same basic play 4 or 5 times within a couple of minutes.

His conclusion was that their O is pretty basic, but they run it fast and precisely.

Just hope Rod preaches the keys on those basic plays so the D is aware and can react quickly.
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please don't refer to the eagles as "beagles". The Beagle breed is one of the best breeds of dogs on the planet. Do not disgrace or discredit them like that...
 
foofighters said:
please don't refer to the eagles as "beagles". The Beagle breed is one of the best breeds of dogs on the planet. Do not disgrace or discredit them like that...
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True. But they do bark a lot, much like this Eagles team.
 
foofighters said:
please don't refer to the eagles as "beagles". The Beagle breed is one of the best breeds of dogs on the planet. Do not disgrace or discredit them like that...
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Yeah, I find them yappy, annoying and they think they are tougher then they really are, seems like the perfect symbol.

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boysfanindc said:
Yeah, I find them yappy, annoying and they think they are tougher then they really are, seems like the perfect symbol.

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That looks more like a Chihuahua than anything else. And if any dog is like what you just mentioned above, it's due to their owner/trainer not them...
 
They can be doing two things when Sanchez looks to handoff. Looking to see our ends reaction and watching our LBs to see if he freezing them up to hit that drag route.

We need to review how Seattle reacted to Sproles motioning out to line up with receivers. We looked confused on Thanksgiving when they would do that.
 
I think Kelly's offense is good for HS and College, I think he will burn out in the NFL after a couple of more years. His up tempo is hard on OL, it is ok for 16-23 yr olds,, their bodies recover and knees are't shot yet. When he keeps this up with 28-33 yr old OL who have been taking a pounding for years, it will have an effect. With the t salary cap,, you can't just replace your ol every 4 years like in college. I just don't see this type of offense lasting year in and out in the NFL.
 
links18 said:
How many good defenses are left in the NFL? The league wants college type score lines, so is it really surprising that a college type offense is smacking around college style poor defenses?
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True enough.

I feel pretty comfortable that they will go nowhere in the playoffs when defenses play better and tighter.

This isn't the first time we've seen an up tempo, quick scoring, offense.

The Bills ran it to perfection. They're also one of the few teams with the wonderful championship distinction of being to 4 Superbowls and winning zero of them.
 
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