Adrian Peterson threatening retirement

[Nightman]

What this question , "Do you expect the Vikings will honor the contract that they're saying Peterson should?"

I think they fully plan to honor this year beyond that who can say, will AP get injured? will AP play drop off? Will AP put up a fantastic season? There are a lot of factors that go into this and the simple fact you are dealing with a 30 year old back who next year will be a 31 year old RB and will be 33 at the end of the full deal.

I think this year he will play, I think a very good season will see him make it to 2016, 2017 and a 17 mill dollar deal? highly unlikely

Some around here are quick to say contracts are based not on what you did in the past but the perceived view of what you will do in the future.

It is not IF

Do you think MINN will pay him 45m over the next 3 years?

They signed a 6 year deal like you said

 

[Nightman]

Those final 3 years are, for all intents and purposes, club option years - and Peterson knew it when he signed the deal.

The only people dancing here are those who act like those 3 years were guaranteed promises..

You keep making up this option years stuff.

There is no buyout if they decline, no date to decide by or any other clause that would make them option years.

It is the same deal every player gets. Teams tack on phony years to prorate the signing bonuses and make the agents feel better.

MINN didn't take a risk paying Peterson, he is the best RB in the league. That 36m in guaranteed money was his pay for those years, it wasn't an act of charity.

Stop acting like this contract is different than DWare or any other vet that gets cuts late in the deal.

MINN has no intention of paying him the agreed upon 45m for the next 3 years.

 

[Doomsday101]

It is not IF

Do you think MINN will pay him 45m over the next 3 years?

They signed a 6 year deal like you said

His contract right now in 2015: 15.4 mill, in 2016 it is 15 mill and in 2017 it is 17 mill. We know Minn want him in 2015 at that price tag of 15.4. How will he play this year? will he look like a 30 year old RB who missed the season before? Will he look great? With a young QB in place in Bridgewater at a rookie deal price tag, will he benefit having AP in the back field and get the Vikes into the playoffs and challenge the Packers? How all of this plays out will have a lot to do with Peterson playing in Minn in 2016. As for 2017 I mentioned before I think it would be unlikely

 

[Nightman]

His contract right now in 2015: 15.4 mill, in 2016 it is 15 mill and in 2017 it is 17 mill. We know Minn want him in 2015 at that price tag of 15.4. How will he play this year? will he look like a 30 year old RB who missed the season before? Will he look great? With a young QB in place in Bridgewater at a rookie deal price tag, will he benefit having AP in the back field and get the Vikes into the playoffs and challenge the Packers? How all of this plays out will have a lot to do with Peterson playing in Minn in 2016. As for 2017 I mentioned before I think it would be unlikely

You keep repeating it was a 6 year deal, now it isn't? You've painted yourself into a corner.

And he is only due 12.75m this year with a 250k workout bonus. The 15.4m is his cap number.

 

[Doomsday101]

You keep repeating it was a 6 year deal, now it isn't? You've painted yourself into a corner.

And he is only due 12.75m this year with a 250k workout bonus. The 15.4m is his cap number.

The contract was 6 year with a guarantee of 36 mill, it was not a 3 year deal for 36 mill guaranteed, had it been that Minn would have really been stupid. Minn now turning around and paying out more cash in hand guaranteed for a 30 year old back would be absolutely stupid. They paid him, he took the money no problem now he want more in hand? BS he can pound sand for all I care or he can retire.

 

[Nightman]

The contract was 6 year with a guarantee of 36 mill, it was not a 3 year deal for 36 mill guaranteed, had it been that Minn would have really been stupid. Minn now turning around and paying out more cash in hand guaranteed for a 30 year old back would be absolutely stupid. They paid him, he took the money no problem now he want more in hand? BS he can pound sand for all I care or he can retire.

He was given a 6/86m deal. That is over 14m a year. Your 12m signing bonus is less than one year and the 36m guaranteed is 2.5 years. They merely paid what they owed to the best RB in football. They don't get extra years because he was due a lot of money.

If they don't pay him the whole 6 years, your whole argument is bunk.

 

[Doomsday101]

He was given a 6/86m deal. That is over 14m a year. Your 12m signing bonus is less than one year and the 36m guaranteed is 2.5 years. They merely paid what they owed to the best RB in football. They don't get extra years because he was due a lot of money.

If they don't pay him the whole 6 years, your whole argument is bunk.

Yes and it is the highest paid contract ever given to a RB in the history of the NFL and Minn has paid that they do not owe him a damn thing. If he want to sit fine he can sit, if he wants to play it will be in Minn unless someone is willing to pay dearly in a trade which no one want to do, Minn is not releasing him and expect him to be out there.

 

[Rogah]

It's fact. Both sides honor a contract to completion or they don't. No grey area.

It's clear you don't have the first clue about contract law. MANY contracts contain clauses whereby 1 party has the option to terminate the contract without penalty or further obligation. Usually they have to give something in exchange for such a clause, as Minnesota did in terms of guaranteed dollars up front.

 

[Nightman]

Yes and it is the highest paid contract ever given to a RB in the history of the NFL and Minn has paid that they do not owe him a damn thing. If he want to sit fine he can sit, if he wants to play it will be in Minn unless someone is willing to pay dearly in a trade which no one want to do, Minn is not releasing him and expect him to be out there.

So you think they should treat their Franchise player like just another tradeable commodity and you don't expect any blow back.

He should take it and shut up.

He isn't asking for any more money. He is just asking for a show of good faith. Their refusal shows more than all their empty words combined.

 

[Nightman]

It's clear you don't have the first clue about contract law. MANY contracts contain clauses whereby 1 party has the option to terminate the contract without penalty or further obligation. Usually they have to give something in exchange for such a clause, as Minnesota did in terms of guaranteed dollars up front.

This has nothing to do with contract law.

These phony NFL contracts have been the industry standard for years.

They aren't worth the paper they printed on until you need to make a point against a player you dislike.

 

[Doomsday101]

So you think they should treat their Franchise player like just another tradeable commodity and you don't expect any blow back.

He should take it and shut up.

He isn't asking for any more money. He is just asking for a show of good faith. Their refusal shows more than all their empty words combined.

I think they have treated him very well, I think they have paid him like NO other RB in the NFL has ever seen, even new contracts with current RB no one is getting the money he got.
Yes he is asking for money in hand and it is a major risk for the vikes to do that. Tell me if AP goes out and lays an egg on the season will he pay any of it back? If he is injured will he pay it back? Hell no he won't it will fall to the Vikes. Let me ask if you were the GM of Minn what would you do? go ahead and trade him? risk the organization salary cap with more guaranteed money on Peterson?

Their refusal are empty words? they paid the man, they paid him to play for not 3 years but 6 year and did so with all time riches contract in NFL history at RB

One last thing did Dallas release Emmitt Smith like some tradable commodity? and was it the right move for the Cowboys?

 

[Rogah]

This has nothing to do with contract law.

These phony NFL contracts have been the industry standard for years.

And if Peterson doesn't like the NFL industry standard, he is free to talk to his union rep - or fill out an application at McDonald's

They aren't worth the paper they printed on

You people need to join us in the real world. Peterson's contract was worth $36 million guaranteed and has paid out almost $50 million. So you can spare us the "it isn't worth the paper it's printed on" routine.

 

[Nightman]

And if Peterson doesn't like the NFL industry standard, he is free to talk to his union rep - or fill out an application at McDonald's


You people need to join us in the real world. Peterson's contract was worth $36 million guaranteed and has paid out almost $50 million. So you can spare us the "it isn't worth the paper it's printed on" routine.

That 36m is gone. It goes quick when you pay someone 14m a year. They can cut him and owe him 0m, hence not worth the paper.

But you guys won't even acknowledge that everything has changed since they signed that deal. You are using the contract to try and punish or stick it to Peterson, that is not good faith. If you don't want him since he is an abuser, just release him.

I will believe they want to keep paying him when I see it. But the funny thing is if MINN wins they still have to pay him 13m. Eventually he will laugh all the way to the bank. Spite doesn't suit a franchise well.

 

[Rogah]

That 36m is gone. It goes quick when you pay someone 14m a year. They can cut him and owe him 0m, hence not worth the paper.

If he didn't like being in a situation where the team controlled him in '15, '16 and '17, he shouldn't have signed it.

But you guys won't even acknowledge that everything has changed since they signed that deal. You are using the contract to try and punish or stick it to Peterson, that is not good faith.

If he didn't like being in a situation where the team controlled him in '15, '16 and '17, he shouldn't have signed it.

I will believe they want to keep paying him when I see it. But the funny thing is if MINN wins they still have to pay him 13m. Eventually he will laugh all the way to the bank. Spite doesn't suit a franchise well.

Neither does caving to every spoiled, selfish, whining crybaby athlete that comes down the pike.

 

[Nightman]

If he didn't like being in a situation where the team controlled him in '15, '16 and '17, he shouldn't have signed it.
If he didn't like being in a situation where the team controlled him in '15, '16 and '17, he shouldn't have signed it.
Neither does caving to every spoiled, selfish, whining crybaby athlete that comes down the pike.

Real mature. Who is acting like a whining crybaby?

You saw how well Zimmer's outburst and ultimatum went over.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Charles Robinson writing that reconciliation with the Vikings upcoming. Of course being Charles Robinson, it doesn't really make any sense. Here's the quote.

It was clear from the interactions that Peterson's family is ready for his offseason NFL saga to be over. And while nobody offered specifics, an impending sense of relief suggested a conclusion is near.

 

[Stash]

What this question , "Do you expect the Vikings will honor the contract that they're saying Peterson should?"

I think they fully plan to honor this year beyond that who can say

I guess this is as close to an actual answer as I'm going to get.

But if the Vikings don't have to honor it, it's hypocritical to expect it from the player.

 

[Stash]

It's clear you don't have the first clue about contract law. MANY contracts contain clauses whereby 1 party has the option to terminate the contract without penalty or further obligation. Usually they have to give something in exchange for such a clause, as Minnesota did in terms of guaranteed dollars up front.

Don't preach to anyone about having a clue until you get one yourself. If a player is cut, the team that did it is failing to honor the contract agreed to by both parties. You can lie to yourself, but don't trying lying to me.

 

[Idgit]

I guess this is as close to an actual answer as I'm going to get.

But if the Vikings don't have to honor it, it's hypocritical to expect it from the player.

Not sure that follows. The Vikings are doing the paying, and the player is the one receiving the money. One side can reserve the right to cancel the deal if they don't think they're getting what they paid for. Just like, if a player were concerned he might likely outperform his contract if he signed for a long term he might opt for a single year deal, instead. A la Greg Hardy. It's not hypocritical because the parties aren't both brining the same things to the table. The party bringing the money to the table *ought* to have a recourse in the event they don't feel they're getting what they've paid for. It's only an issue because there are other sports leagues who have foolishly committed to guaranteeing payment for an outcome that's not guarantee-able.

 

[Rogah]

Don't preach to anyone about having a clue until you get one yourself.

Well you obviously have no clue what an escape clause in a contract is.

If a player is cut, the team that did it is failing to honor the contract agreed to by both parties.

Then every single team in the Naitonal Football League regularly fails to honor contracts.

Geez, you think someone would sue those teams with all the failing-to-honor-contracts going on.

You can lie to yourself, but don't trying lying to me.

OK, then here's a dose of the truth: You have no idea what you are talking about.