All22 Review: Collins vs Leary

[CowboyStar88]

Im a realist.


Randle is good at everything except finishing runs.


The big worry was that he couldn't pass block. Well he has been solid at worst.


So he catches well, makes big plays when he gets to the 2nd level, and is a solid at worst blocker.

Regardless of what some of you have made up in your head I think he does read his blocks very well.




If there is a legit complaint about what he doesn't give us it's that maybe Murray gets us to 2nd and 9 instead of 2nd and 10 like Randle does when the entire world knows what we're about to do.

A realist? Self proclaimed realist... Take of the Randle shades he isn't as good as you pumped him up to be in your head.

My point exactly you're a fanboy so you won't see objectively... I don't know where you've come up with that. He is terrible in the 2nd half of games, hes terrible at listening to coaches (Pollack was ready to rip his head off) he throws teammates under the bus. His response to criticism is "6 points" the fact that he had to come out and say he won't be a distraction is telling in itself.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Have you seen some of the obvious holes that Murray missed and you have no doubt he would've hit that hole? Come on.

That was not an easy read to make.

He missed holes but he ran for 1800 yards, yes I have no doubt.. Randle wouldn't sniff 1800 yards

 

[CATCH17]

He missed holes but he ran for 1800 yards, yes I have no doubt.. Randle wouldn't sniff 1800 yards

No RB would sniff 1800 yards this year in this situation.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Have you seen some of the obvious holes that Murray missed and you have no doubt he would've hit that hole? Come on.

That was not an easy read to make.

Sorry Catch I have a higher standard for a RB for this club, and watching this guy play RB makes me appreciate what Murray was for the Cowboys in his tenure here. I appreciate it more now considering what we have now he was a workhorse.

 

[erod]

He missed holes but he ran for 1800 yards, yes I have no doubt.. Randle wouldn't sniff 1800 yards

Randle isn't a guy that can carry the ball that much. But he can finish long runs that Murray couldn't.

It's time like these, with no Romo, that Murray would be nice to have. I hope Michael can provide he tough runs that Randle isn't until Romo returns.

 

[CATCH17]

A realist? Self proclaimed realist... Take of the Randle shades he isn't as good as you pumped him up to be in your head.

My point exactly you're a fanboy so you won't see objectively... I don't know where you've come up with that. He is terrible in the 2nd half of games, hes terrible at listening to coaches (Pollack was ready to rip his head off) he throws teammates under the bus. His response to criticism is "6 points" the fact that he had to come out and say he won't be a distraction is telling in itself.

Im not pumping him up to be some great player.

Im just saying he isn't really bad at anything except he doesn't punish guys at the end of runs.

Everything else is average at worst.



If you guys want to say he is terrible at listening to the coaches based on the play that he scored on then that is fine. That's a legit statement.

 

[CowboyStar88]

No RB would sniff 1800 yards this year in this situation.

Without Dez and Romo that is probably true, but if you want to be the lead back and carry a team now is the time to do it. If Murray was here we would probably be running the ball better period. Randle is not a back that can carry a team

 

[CowboyStar88]

Randle isn't a guy that can carry the ball that much. But he can finish long runs that Murray couldn't.

It's time like these, with no Romo, that Murray would be nice to have. I hope Michael can provide he tough runs that Randle isn't until Romo returns.

That's my point erod, he isn't that good you need a back who can carry the team one who makes others around him better, and Murray did that... Randle is not that guy and its obvious in his play, and Dallas will upgrade and move on from him as soon as they can.

 

[CATCH17]

Without Dez and Romo that is probably true, but if you want to be the lead back and carry a team now is the time to do it. If Murray was here we would probably be running the ball better period. Randle is not a back that can carry a team

I would have preferred Murray to not be so selfish with the whole lead back thing so he wouldn't have dwindled on us down the stretch.

I want fresh legs come December and I don't want any RB getting almost 400 carries like Murray did. The coaches should've stepped in on that situation but they let Murray do whatever he wanted.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I would have preferred Murray to not be so selfish with the whole lead back thing so he wouldn't have dwindled on us down the stretch.

I want fresh legs come December and I don't want any RB getting almost 400 carries like Murray did. The coaches should've stepped in on that situation but they let Murray do whatever he wanted.

I can agree with that

 

[Stash]

We had Romo, Dez, and we caught everyone with their pants down from being one of the most pass oriented teams in the league to one of the most run oriented teams.

Dallas is full of tendencies and with a year of film out there on us I think that is playing a part along with the lack of Romo.

I don't think Randle is the long term answer either but im not putting the lack of run game on his shoulders or the OL's.

Im putting it on predictability and no Romo.

That's cool. We all have our own opinions, and I won't deny that the things that you mention aren't factors.

In my own opinion, I am putting a good amount of the reason for the running game's struggles on the backs and the line too. They're not blocking as well as they did last year, and the replacement backs aren't as good of a fit for what the scheme asks as Murray was.

It's doubly frustrating watching our own struggles, and then watching Murray being asked to run sideways and getting hit in the backfield. Chip Kelly screwed up both our team and his own at the same time.

 

[CATCH17]

That's cool. We all have our own opinions, and I won't deny that the things that you mention aren't factors.

In my own opinion, I am putting a good amount of the reason for the running game's struggles on the backs and the line too. They're not blocking as well as they did last year, and the replacement backs aren't as good of a fit for what the scheme asks as Murray was.

It's doubly frustrating watching our own struggles, and then watching Murray being asked to run sideways and getting hit in the backfield. Chip Kelly screwed up both our team and his own at the same time.

That's fair.

I just can't put much blame on Randle or the OL when I believe the coaches are putting them in a position to fail.

I don't think anything is different with our run game this year with any RB in the league besides Adrian Peterson.

I just don't see many RB's, besides Peterson, that get met in the backfield consistently and produce.

 

[CowboyStar88]

That's cool. We all have our own opinions, and I won't deny that the things that you mention aren't factors.

In my own opinion, I am putting a good amount of the reason for the running game's struggles on the backs and the line too. They're not blocking as well as they did last year, and the replacement backs aren't as good of a fit for what the scheme asks as Murray was.

It's doubly frustrating watching our own struggles, and then watching Murray being asked to run sideways and getting hit in the backfield. Chip Kelly screwed up both our team and his own at the same time.

I hope Chip gets out of this league... As much as I love college ball I don't like seeing it in the NFL. It makes average talent look ok, and IMO the NFL should be about talent and complex schemes.

 

[erod]

That's my point erod, he isn't that good you need a back who can carry the team one who makes others around him better, and Murray did that... Randle is not that guy and its obvious in his play, and Dallas will upgrade and move on from him as soon as they can.

Murray isn't that guy either. He is good, but he's not elite. He wore down late in the year, and he lost the game in Green Bay for Dallas.

He isn't worth anything close to what Philly gave him. He isn't even worth what Dallas offered. But he'd be nice to have with Romo out for sure.

 

[erod]

I hope Chip gets out of this league... As much as I love college ball I don't like seeing it in the NFL. It makes average talent look ok, and IMO the NFL should be about talent and complex schemes.

The Trojans will be calling.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

When have we the the OL be "very good" throughout the season?

Please don't take my words out of context.

Here's what I stated.

We've seen the O-Line be very good at times throughout the season

The pass protection has been excellent in all of the games except for the Patriots game (which was more of a breakdown on Leary and the RB's than the entire O-Line).

We've had various fast starts to the running game in the first half.

We've seen Randle consistently get met in the backfield on 1st down. I'm not blaming the OL for this. Im blaming the coaches.

He's not creating much in the way of making yards out of mediocre blocking and he's leaving yards on the field. Every RB in every line is going to have carries where they are met by the defenders. And I'm not excusing the play calling either. But, he's a mediocre starting RB. He bounces and dances too much when there is blocking there and he's not a good zone runner. He doesn't run with power and is not decisive with his cuts.

Randle doesn't finish runs with power.. I agree..But him finishing runs is not stopping this offense.

I agree. We have larger issues in the passing game. But his job is to be the running back and he's not very good.

We can't even get Randle or McFadden into the 2nd level of the defense.

Nonsense. We've seen both Randle and McFadden get into the 2nd level. Especially in the first half of games.

I think there's a reason why they are trying to get CMike to be the starter and it just comes down to whether he can get the blitz pickup down. Personally, I'd rather see more McFadden as he probably needs more carries to get warmed up and isn't a #2 RB that can be spotted carries. He'll leave yards on the field, but will also make plays. He runs much harder and is more decisive on his cuts and I like him better out wide like a receiver in empty backfield sets.









YR

 

[TwentyOne]

http://www.ctclive.com/2015/10/lael-collins-is-right-choice-for-both.html

One reason I believe Dallas made the move to Collins is that he's just a better athlete than Leary at this point in his career. Collins can get out to the second level quicker, which will help turn short gains into longer runs. Here's an example of how quickly Collins gets to the second level:

La'el Collins at the second level

I am not sold on him yet.

Dont missunderstand me, i love Collins and i think he has alot of talent and can be a great player for us one day.

But since i watched him play he seems to be very hectic in eveything that he does. It often looks like he wants to do three things at a time, in the end does two things but only half the way he was supposed to do it. He lacks some power but that will change with another offseason. He has problems in passprotection and against power rushers. But again i am very sure that will also be cleaned up.

I am not sure if this (being so hectic) is his playing style or its because he is still nervous. If its the later and he will learn to take his time then the sky is the limit for him. If its his playing style then i have my doubts regarding his success. It does not look like a good fit for our OL. But that does not mean he wont be a good player. I just think he should learn to settle down and do one thing the right way instead of trying to do alot of things and none of them good.

I still have problems watching him play guard. He is so lean and tall and so quick with his feet. So long arms. I think he will replace Free next year and we keep Leary at LG. He will come cheap after this season ;-)

Anyway... I love his attitude alot. I like nasty players who are a bit cocky (like he was in his first interview after we signed him).

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Murray isn't that guy either. He is good, but he's not elite. He wore down late in the year, and he lost the game in Green Bay for Dallas.

He isn't worth anything close to what Philly gave him. He isn't even worth what Dallas offered. But he'd be nice to have with Romo out for sure.

Murray didn't lose the game for us in Green Bay.

The defense couldn't stop Rodgers and we got screwed on a horrific call where the VP of Officiating is oblivious to the rule book because he's never refereed a game on ANY level and his qualifications are he was a failed stand-up comic.

Even if the catch was called correctly and we score a TD, I have my doubts if the defense could have held Green Bay. Still, I would have liked to have found out. Either way...1 fumble doesn't cost us that game.

I consider elite to be a top-4 player in that player's position. I think last year Murray was a top-4 player in his position.

And I think if you looked at last year's performance and combine it with the RB's this year, only AP is decidedly better than what Murray was last season.

Murray wore down last year (albeit not by much) because he logged in a whopping 436 carries last season. There's not a tailback out there that is not going to wear down some after carrying the ball 436 times in a season.

The issue with Murray is that we had other players to pay, like Dez. And he just came off a season with a ridiculous amount of carries and the past history of players with more than 380 carries in a season and their subsequent seasons is not good.

Murray was elite last year. We just burned him out with so many carries that it made it a bad idea to pay him what Philly gave him.





YR

 

[Kevinicus]

Fred was sealing off his block, Collins was at the second level and smith had just made his cut block as Randle bounched outside. That lane opened up, and it could've gone for more yards. I have no doubts that Murray takes that hole, as he would've waited for the play to develop there.

Where is he supposed to wait? He had to avoid the guy Smith had a poor block on. Do you want him to just stop 4 yards in the backfield? Any hole that was developing would have been long gone by the time he started up again.

 

[CATCH17]

Please don't take my words out of context.

Here's what I stated.

We've seen the O-Line be very good at times throughout the season

The pass protection has been excellent in all of the games except for the Patriots game (which was more of a breakdown on Leary and the RB's than the entire O-Line).

We've had various fast starts to the running game in the first half.





He's not creating much in the way of making yards out of mediocre blocking and he's leaving yards on the field. Every RB in every line is going to have carries where they are met by the defenders. And I'm not excusing the play calling either. But, he's a mediocre starting RB. He bounces and dances too much when there is blocking there and he's not a good zone runner. He doesn't run with power and is not decisive with his cuts.



I agree. We have larger issues in the passing game. But his job is to be the running back and he's not very good.




Nonsense. We've seen both Randle and McFadden get into the 2nd level. Especially in the first half of games.

I think there's a reason why they are trying to get CMike to be the starter and it just comes down to whether he can get the blitz pickup down. Personally, I'd rather see more McFadden as he probably needs more carries to get warmed up and isn't a #2 RB that can be spotted carries. He'll leave yards on the field, but will also make plays. He runs much harder and is more decisive on his cuts and I like him better out wide like a receiver in empty backfield sets.









YR

OK, we technically haven't seen Randle and McFadden get met at the line every play but get real man.

Teams are loading up to stop the run and they have had success doing it.

It's not the OL or the RB's fault. It's just a numbers game that we are not going to consistently win at.


You can say Randle isn't good. That's fine. That's your opinion.


For me.. I think he is solid at everything and is very explosive once he reaches the 2nd level of a defense.



The pass blocking is fine. I've never had a problem with it. It's 5 on 4 or 5 most of the times and we will win that the majority of the time.


Where we won't win the majority of the time is constantly running at 8 and 9 man boxes with 5 guys plus Witten with defenses knowing when and where to tee off.


If they come out with this same predictability against the Giants then Cmike will get shut down as well and I think he is a very talented guy but talent isn't enough if 11 other professionals consistently know what you're going to do.