Hardy charges officially expunged

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I'm sad your a Cowboys fan.

would he a better one if he went on an internet tirade wanting rid of the player while still cheering for every sack as you likely will do on Sunday?

 

[CATCH17]

I don't know what happened or what didn't. What I do know is there is testimony from the girls own friend saying she threw herself into the bathtub. That explains the worst looking bruise.

Now to all the people saying he "beat" her, I have to question what extent of physical violence they have ever actually seen in life. If a 280 lb man "beat" her like people are suggesting these pictures would leave no shred of doubt that he did just that. Everyone claims he should just walk away, or take it or whatever else they think he should have done, but how many have been in a situation like this? I have and when you have one party who is attempting physical violence against you, it's not as simple as just walking away. Does he walk to his car with a woman assaulting him the whole way? How does he stop the violence from her part? When is it acceptable to do that? Is it ok to physically restrain her to stop her? Is it ok to grab her arms? Is it ok to push her away? What is the acceptable response to a woman who wants to cause physical harm to you? Should he flee from his own house? Sprint out of his own house? Or is he just supposed to stand there telling her to stop while he is being assaulted? At worst, I think both parties have some culpability here, but DV is thought of as a mans crime for the most part.

I don't know if that is true but it's just another example of us not having enough details to know what really happened that night.

 

[tayloner]

would he a better one if he went on an internet tirade wanting rid of the player while still cheering for every sack as you likely will do on Sunday?

Yes, I'm going to cheer for Greg Hardy Sunday, as I said in an earlier post, but no, I'm not going to defend Hardy in any way. I don't think the Cowboys should cut him, he served out the suspension the NFL game him, and they already had the pictures when they gave it to him.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Or you don't have a clue. He was arrested. A judge found him guilty on the evidence. The only reason He got off was because of a technicality due to him paying her. Doesn't mean the events the judge found him guilty on didn't happen

I'm not sure what the the judge has to do with anything that I said. Regardless, I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before. I believe he was found "guilty" in a bench trial. I'm also pretty sure, if it went to a real trial, he would have faced a jury of his peers. I'm sorry, but this is still the USA and you can't just "pay off" people if the state finds enough evidence to warrant prosecuting a legitimate violation of the law.

 

[TheKey]

That's like saying the criminal justice system gets it right 100% of the time. It doesn't take much common sense to see that Hardy's attorneys negotiated a settlement with the victim, which Hardy has every right to do and make it work for him, and the victim has every right to accept the settlement and move on with her life, and I'm glad she did. But if you don't think Greg Hardy did anything wrong, then plain and simple you are not "against domestic violence unequivocally."

I'm a hypocrite because I'll still cheer for Greg Hardy on Sunday, and I don't feel like the Cowboys should cut him because he served his NFL mandated suspension, but the dude clearly is not a great human and he clearly abused a woman, and it's hard for me to understand anyone who defends him against that, in any way.

And I agree with everything you said, however, I do not think that the suspension was the right thing to do based off of an accusation. The legal process worked out for Hardy, it doesn't mean he is innocent. To be able to put someone in football purgatory for two years because of something that was eventually dropped in insane. The rules should be changed to allow a fair and open process for suspensions. He did his time, let's all move on.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Yes, I'm going to cheer for Greg Hardy Sunday, as I said in an earlier post, but no, I'm not going to defend Hardy in any way. I don't think the Cowboys should cut him, he served out the suspension the NFL game him, and they already had the pictures when they gave it to him.

That is basically my position. I don't care about him as a person, his existence as a man has no role in my life. I like watching him ball though.

 

[AzorAhai]

I don't know if that is true but it's just another example of us not having enough details to know what really happened that night.

To me, the pictures only put more uncertainty on what actually happened. If he had actually beaten her, which I equate more to punches, slaps, physically striking, etc. I think the pictures would leave very little doubt that he did just that.

 

[Alexander]

I think we need a mega thread.

 

[HappyOnions]

To me, the pictures only put more uncertainty on what actually happened. If he had actually beaten her, which I equate more to punches, slaps, physically striking, etc. I think the pictures would leave very little doubt that he did just that.

So because she didn't get beaten worse than she did, it just throws more ambiguity on the fire that is this whole Greg Hardy dilemma...

It's her fault for not taking a bigger whoopin'.... maybe then people would find her story more credible...

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Except her bruises didn't magically appear. Under your theory of life everyone in jail or convicted might be alright because "doesn't mean it happened how they were convicted of doing it." I really feel like this board is becoming a place where rational people may not exist. Just jersey wearing meathead a that care about wins only

People are defending him because he's a Cowboy. Fan's can sometimes be fanatical.

 

[Alexander]

I heart anarchy.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I heart anarchy.

What a difference a year makes.

 

[Sydla]

No, he was cleared of the charges because they could not be substantiated. Why is the alleged victims presence needed to convict? You must not think murder cases are ever solved... no victim testimony there.

Seriously?

I know some prosecutors. In domestic violence trials, the accuser is often a key piece of evidence. If a person won't press charges or testify, it weakens the case unless there are clear witnesses. In this case, no witnesses. Therefore, the only way this thing could get to a jury trial is if she was available to testify. She didn't want to testify. The case couldn't go on.

 

[Sydla]

Meatheads? Geeze. The story goes she started it. No one has any reason to think she didn't. What was he supposed to do? From the looks of things his story sounds more plausible than hers.

Not lay his hands on her. He's a 270lb DE who regularly beats the crap out of 300+lb OL.

Any defense of him here that starts with, "well she started it" is pretty pathetic, I don't care how coked up she was.

The better defense of Hardy is trying to argue that she inflicted these bruises on herself.

 

[Sydla]

No I'm wanting exact word not hyperbole. That's not asking for much. @Sydla just because I don't share your views doesn't mean I'm out of touch. Don't try to out morality me like you are some better person than me. I assure you you are not just as I'm no better than you

You are out of touch if you are going to argue that what happened to this girl wasn't a beating because there wasn't more substantial injuries. If Hardy did in fact cause those bruises, that's a beating. To try to ague or insinuate that there needed to be more damage done to this woman for it to be considered a beating is just downright bizarre. She was significantly bruised all over her body.

 

[Sydla]

So because she didn't get beaten worse than she did, it just throws more ambiguity on the fire that is this whole Greg Hardy dilemma...

It's her fault for not taking a bigger whoopin'.... maybe then people would find her story more credible...

LOL.

But be careful with the word "beaten". Apparently she wasn't bruised enough to consider her having been "beaten".

 

[CATCH17]

You are out of touch if you are going to argue that what happened to this girl wasn't a beating because there wasn't more substantial injuries. If Hardy did in fact cause those bruises, that's a beating. To try to ague or insinuate that there needed to be more damage done to this woman for it to be considered a beating is just downright bizarre. She was significantly bruised all over her body.

I agree with this.

I find the bruises on the back odd though.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I'm surprised Jerry hasn't commented on this yet.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I wouldn't be shocked if Greg Hardy actually responds to this. It's amazing seeing the faux pas public outrage on Twitter and elsewhere as a reflection of the power of the media in vilifying people and causing such a reaction. The psychological mob mentality as displayed in action on social media.

 

[TheDallasDon]

Not gonna state my opinion just play a little devil's advocate and stir the pot.

Would all these media people that are outraged quit going to the fav restaurant, actor, etc if someone with DV was involved???