Gregory's tape >>>> Bosa's tape

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yup...I've been told by multiple people that Spence was the better pass rusher at Ohio State. Bosa the better all around player. I've written up a report on Bosa, I invite you to go check it out on my draft sticky. I come to my own predictions with no preconceived ideas on these guys. Agree to disagree, but I just don't love Bosa at 4. I'll take Ramsey and Jack over him in a heartbeat.

Oh and by the way, show me the clip of Bosa ever grabbing the edge on a tackle and getting outside on him. He doesnt..... I don't care what he tests at and what the numbers say, the film doesn't lie. Elite edge pass rushers can bend, grab the edge and turn the corner... Bosa can't do that.

You mean like the dip and rips from the gifs earlier in the thread? Already done.

So basically you have a bandwagon of people telling you what to think that you have no way of proving and incredulity. I hope your writeups are better than that type of assumptive nonsense.

 

[JDSTAR]

Yea, just to throw my 2 cents into the Bosa argument, I think I've watched the same 14 videos on Draftbreakdown that you both have and I've got to agree with dantheman41. Bosa is not that good. See him as a 10-15 pick guy to me.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Excellent core strength with a NFL body at a young age. Flexible athlete and doesn't play tight. Bosa has an explosive get-off which helps him generate an immediate advantage over offensive tackles.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2060764/joey-bosa

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

• Dangerous edge pass-rusher

• Good get-off

• Has some pass-rushing moves

• Can bull rush

• Quick off the edge

• Plays with good leverage

• Pad level

• Quickness

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/scoutingreport2016jbosa.php

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.draftcountdown.com/player/joey-bosa/

• Good burst off the snap

• Good lateral agility and speed

• Best playing off the edge because of speed and pass rush

 

[dantheman41]

You mean like the dip and rips from the gifs earlier in the thread? Already done.

So basically you have a bandwagon of people telling you what to think that you have no way of proving and incredulity. I hope your writeups are better than that type of assumptive nonsense.

Huh? I told you earlier I watched every tape on Bosa... What are you talking about with bandwagons of people? Your the one who keeps mentioning 'other' sites and scouts. I don't form opinions based on other people. I form them from my own tape viewing. If you honestly think Bosa has elite get off and explosion, you need to turn the tape off 2x speed. Guy is a slow twitch player I'm sorry. And I don't hate the player. My only complaint about the player is he isn't a elite explosive athlete. We shall see in the NFL... Would love to talk to you next year or the year after.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Huh? I told you earlier I watched every tape on Bosa... What are you talking about with bandwagons of people? Your the one who keeps mentioning 'other' sites and scouts. I don't form opinions based on other people. I form them from my own tape viewing. If you honestly think Bosa has elite get off and explosion, you need to turn the tape off 2x speed. Guy is a slow twitch player I'm sorry. And I don't hate the player. My only complaint about the player is he isn't a elite explosive athlete. We shall see in the NFL... Would love to talk to you next year or the year after.

You have told me repeatedly OSU fans agree with you as if that is meaningful. I'm not going to get into the chicken and the egg thing. Dane Brugler agrees with me. I'll take it.

Your insistence on making the paradigm as "slow twitch" or "elite" as if those are the only two options is amusing.

At least you've given up trying to big time me over having watched the film. Well kinda at least.

 

[dantheman41]

You have told me repeatedly OSU fans agree with you as if that is meaningful. I'm not going to get into the chicken and the egg thing. Dane Brugler agrees with me. I'll take it.

Your insistence on making the paradigm as "slow twitch" or "elite" as if those are the only two options is amusing.

At least you've given up trying to big time me over having watched the film. Well kinda at least.

Lol your hilarious.... You don't read anything I say. Dane, Mel Kiper, McShay and Broaddus have all said that the Bosa is a great all around player but he isn't a dynamic pass rusher. That's actually a pretty common viewpoint. If you want I'll share with you all the links from 'DRAFT GUYS.'

Dane has said on numerous occasions that Bosa is a good pass rusher, not great, but he effects the game in so many ways. Your arguing a point you can't win. No one thinks Bosa is or will be a great pass rusher except you.... No one is arguing whether he's a good player.

 

[JDSTAR]

You have told me repeatedly OSU fans agree with you as if that is meaningful. I'm not going to get into the chicken and the egg thing. Dane Brugler agrees with me. I'll take it.

Your insistence on making the paradigm as "slow twitch" or "elite" as if those are the only two options is amusing.

At least you've given up trying to big time me over having watched the film. Well kinda at least.

Just to chime in one more time, Dane Brugler also said this.

http://da.radio.cbssports.com/2014/05/05/dane-brugler-johnny-manziel-will-be-top-eight-pick/

Brugler is just another opinion who has probably watched less tape than any of us.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Huh? I told you earlier I watched every tape on Bosa...

And what do you mean huh? You asked for examples of him getting to the edge and around the tackle. I posted multiple gifs of him doing that on the first page.

I don't care how many games you watched if you think

Oh and by the way, show me the clip of Bosa ever grabbing the edge on a tackle and getting outside on him. He doesnt.....

is valid.

Again:

Its hard to take you seriously. Doesn't seem like he is playing high either.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol your hilarious.... You don't read anything I say. Dane, Mel Kiper, McShay and Broaddus have all said that the Bosa is a great all around player but he isn't a dynamic pass rusher. That's actually a pretty common viewpoint. If you want I'll share with you all the links from 'DRAFT GUYS.'

Dane has said on numerous occasions that Bosa is a good pass rusher, not great, but he effects the game in so many ways. Your arguing a point you can't win. No one thinks Bosa is or will be a great pass rusher except you.... No one is arguing whether he's a good player.

Link it please. You don't corroborate a thing you say.

I know that I am not going to persuade you. You've clearly made up your mind.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just to chime in one more time, Dane Brugler also said this.

http://da.radio.cbssports.com/2014/05/05/dane-brugler-johnny-manziel-will-be-top-eight-pick/

Brugler is just another opinion who has probably watched less tape than any of us.

He is still more of an authority on the subject then anyone here even moreso than hearsay from supposed Ohio State fans.

 

[dantheman41]

Here since you love CBS sports and Brugler so much. Here is what they say about Bosa:

WEAKNESSES: Not as quick as some of the NFL's elite edge rushers. Not a quick-twitch rusher and doesn't play with consistent explosion. Needs to improve his inside shoulder dip to leverage his body into blockers around the edge.

Here's what the draft wire says:

Weaknesses

• Adequate, not elite bend or flexibility around the edge
• Good, not great in space, lacks elite change of direction skills
• Poor balance at times, will be knocked off his path to the quarterback by minimal contact

Here is what Walter Football says about Bosa:

Weaknesses:

• Does not have blinding speed off the edge for the NFL

• A little stiff

• Could use more refinement of pass-rushing moves

 

[dantheman41]

He is still more of an authority on the subject then anyone here even moreso than hearsay from supposed Ohio State fans.

Is that good enough for you? I'm done with this conversation. The telling sign will be in a year or two. Let's see. PM me in a couple years, would love to revisit this then. For now, it is pointless. Your set in stone

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Here since you love CBS sports and Brugler so much. Here is what they say about Bosa:

WEAKNESSES: Not as quick as some of the NFL's elite edge rushers. Not a quick-twitch rusher and doesn't play with consistent explosion. Needs to improve his inside shoulder dip to leverage his body into blockers around the edge.

Here's what the draft wire says:

Weaknesses

• Adequate, not elite bend or flexibility around the edge
• Good, not great in space, lacks elite change of direction skills
• Poor balance at times, will be knocked off his path to the quarterback by minimal contact

Here is what Walter Football says about Bosa:

Weaknesses:

• Does not have blinding speed off the edge for the NFL

• A little stiff

• Could use more refinement of pass-rushing moves

I don't love him. I just think he is more of an authority to call on than your mythical OSU fans. Dane Brugler's service has Bosa #1 overall.

Anyway this is boring I'm going to go do something else.

 

[JDSTAR]

He is still more of an authority on the subject then anyone here even moreso than hearsay from supposed Ohio State fans.

No he's not....He tries to pull the magic crystal ball out of his butt just like the rest of us; only difference is he's paid for it. I've seen people on this forum with more insightful, knowledgeable info on certain players over the last four years I've been snooping this forum than Brugler has ever showed me. Bruglar's mocks look like a regurgitated version of what they show on the NFL channel; redundant and without any original thought from the mock draft they saw someone put up the day before.

I would like to tell you why I imposed myself into this conversation that you and dantheman were having. You have a real smugness about what you think is right and wrong. The cute little smiley cowboys thing on your last post is a perfect example. Reminds me a lot of Stephen A. Smith. But when looking at your earlier responses to this postt, I realized that you have absolutely no idea what your talking about. Case in point.....Some knucklehead for some reason asked you what you think of Bullard and your response is I don't know. Two hours later you come back and say he should gain 15 lbs. and become a 1-tech. What???? Did you actually watch his tape or did you read a Brugler article? Ok, he's a big DE, but for his size he's a plus quick twitch and a minus strength, leaving him at a big boy LDE or probably a better 3T like Crawford. Fletcher Cox or Robert Nkideche, ok, make them gain weight and turn them into a 1T, but your probably ruining their potential. Turning Bullard to a 1T is not an option to get the best out of the player. Yet your response was so smug; because you didn't know the guy and so he wasn't in your "club." Joey Bosa apparently is.....think about it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No he's not....He tries to pull the magic crystal ball out of his butt just like the rest of us; only difference is he's paid for it. I've seen people on this forum with more insightful, knowledgeable info on certain players over the last four years I've been snooping this forum than Brugler has ever showed me. Bruglar's mocks look like a regurgitated version of what they show on the NFL channel; redundant and without any original thought from the mock draft they saw someone put up the day before.

I would like to tell you why I imposed myself into this conversation that you and dantheman were having. You have a real smugness about what you think is right and wrong. The cute little smiley cowboys thing on your last post is a perfect example. Reminds me a lot of Stephen A. Smith. But when looking at your earlier responses to this postt, I realized that you have absolutely no idea what your talking about. Case in point.....Some knucklehead for some reason asked you what you think of Bullard and your response is I don't know. Two hours later you come back and say he should gain 15 lbs. and become a 1-tech. What???? Did you actually watch his tape or did you read a Brugler article? Ok, he's a big DE, but for his size he's a plus quick twitch and a minus strength, leaving him at a big boy LDE or probably a better 3T like Crawford. Fletcher Cox or Robert Nkideche, ok, make them gain weight and turn them into a 1T, but your probably ruining their potential. Turning Bullard to a 1T is not an option to get the best out of the player. Yet your response was so smug; because you didn't know the guy and so he wasn't in your "club." Joey Bosa apparently is.....think about it.

So you involved yourself because you don't like me. Oh well. It's not like I won't admit when I'm wrong. I just think your arguments are without basis and so I'm dismissive of them.

Nice outraged wall of text though.

 

[btcutter]

Here since you love CBS sports and Brugler so much. Here is what they say about Bosa:

WEAKNESSES: Not as quick as some of the NFL's elite edge rushers. Not a quick-twitch rusher and doesn't play with consistent explosion. Needs to improve his inside shoulder dip to leverage his body into blockers around the edge.

Here's what the draft wire says:

Weaknesses

• Adequate, not elite bend or flexibility around the edge
• Good, not great in space, lacks elite change of direction skills
• Poor balance at times, will be knocked off his path to the quarterback by minimal contact

Here is what Walter Football says about Bosa:

Weaknesses:

• Does not have blinding speed off the edge for the NFL

• A little stiff

• Could use more refinement of pass-rushing moves

Those weaknesses were exactly what they said about JJ Watts.

I'm pretty torn on Bosa myself. I don't see the same bend that Gregory has but at the same time he can beat you inside and outside. Not saying he's Strahan but he didn't have that speed around the corner either.

 

[JDSTAR]

So you involved yourself because you don't like me. Oh well.

Nice outraged wall of text though.

No, I like you alot, brother! Your a Cowboys fan!! What I don't like is how you jumped dantheman over his opinions of Joey Bosa of which I agree with him on; and your response to make dantheman see your way is by showing 2 second gifs and the "Dan Brugler says...." defense. Make your piece and be on your way... the horse is dead.

 

[JDSTAR]

So you involved yourself because you don't like me. Oh well. It's not like I won't admit when I'm wrong. I just think your arguments are without basis and so I'm dismissive of them.

Nice outraged wall of text though.

And you extended your post so let me elaborate on your edited post, too. That's the problem, you will not admit when you are wrong, nor does it seem like you can live with the "see things differently" approach. You do not know much about Bosa, Gregory or JJ Watt for that matter. You just proved this by giving a JJ Watt comparison to Joey Bosa in the post right above us here. Really, brother? That easy? and IMO, I find my arguments to be completely with basis because I find you shying away from them (or dismissing them, as you have put it) instead of coming out and giving us real reason to waste the #4 pick on a DE that I don't find too much better than a #34 choice like Dodd, Spence or even a Bullard who you want to turn into a 1T

Oh, and not outraged at all, brother,.....enlightened, were all just trying to enlighten each other in the nonsensical world of draft chatter