When does Hardy become an option?

[jterrell]

BTW, not bagging on Broaddus or other media like Fish who suggest this is not happening.
I think they reflect popular opinion at VR and most especially that of Jason Garrett.
BUT... I think they should both know ... things change.
So I disagree with their certainty.

When money is involved things can change quickly.
Money is a great motivator on all sides.

The NFL is a talent acquisition business and if that talent can get on the field a lot of the other stuff means less.
Hardy is not a RKoG. But Garrett has Super Bowl rings won him by teammates who were not RKoGs as well.

The NFL is a business and in business you must make adult, business decisions, not emotional ones.

Jerry often says, " I don't let my money get mad".

Here's guessing Hardy's agent feels much the same way.

 

[Idgit]

Of course you don't give it any credence, the actual events don't fit your narrative.

I don't give it credence because it's an unsourced second-hand narrative. I'm not the one confusing that with 'the actual events,' and that's specifically because, of the two of us, I'm not the one with the narrative.

As for the actual on-the-field melt-down, it would appear that you missed the Giants game or the incident, so here's a recap:

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports...y-galloway/article42005820.html#storylink=cpy

I remember it perfectly well. By the way, you accidentally linked to a Randy Galloway article here when you'd meant to link to an actual recap. FYI.

 

[Daillest88]

ok did somebody come in Valley Ranch and push for a greg hardy return?

 

[speedkilz88]

Hardy is very much a Michael Irvin type personality. Just think how Irvin would be like in a 4-12 situation when he was at the top of his game.

 

[Idgit]

BTW, not bagging on Broaddus or other media like Fish who suggest this is not happening.
I think they reflect popular opinion at VR and most especially that of Jason Garrett.
BUT... I think they should both know ... things change.
So I disagree with their certainty.

When money is involved things can change quickly.
Money is a great motivator on all sides.

The NFL is a talent acquisition business and if that talent can get on the field a lot of the other stuff means less.
Hardy is not a RKoG. But Garrett has Super Bowl rings won him by teammates who were not RKoGs as well.

The NFL is a business and in business you must make adult, business decisions, not emotional ones.

Jerry often says, " I don't let my money get mad".

Here's guessing Hardy's agent feels much the same way.

Jerry's still talking as if Hardy in Dallas is at least a possibility. That's all we really need to know on the topic, when you get down to it.

At this point last offseason, Hardy-to-Dallas was a homer pipedream. Things have a habit of changing when the money gets involved. We'll just have to wait and see.

Unless we know what really went on in the locker room, though, as fans we're really in no position to say one way or another. He could easily have been anything from a mercurial personality who was loud about not liking the losing to a certified pain in the *** not worth bringing back despite his obvious ability. We just don't know.

 

[Stash]

Also ignoring the DC who has publicly stated he would like to have him back.

Everyone pushing him out the door does it. The throw out "the coaches don't want him back" despite the fact that Marinelli himself stated otherwise.

 

[Idgit]

Hardy is very much a Michael Irvin type personality. Just think how Irvin would be like in a 4-12 situation when he was at the top of his game.

Dez sure seemed to get along with him and to respect his effort. And Dez is about as pro-staff and pro-Dallas as you're going to get. Even Mincey's 'criticism' of Hardy was in a careful context. My wild-*** guess is that Greg wasn't shy about getting in the faces of specific players he thought needed to be better and that some of those players didn't like that (obviously) and some of the other players were made uncomfortable by it. It also sounds like he himself took liberties with timeliness and with missing a few meetings, and that made it worse since he was the one doing a lot of the direct calling out.

 

[DandyDon1722]

The team kept putting him in the starting line up. Why???
All this talk of discord but he played and started every week eligible.

Well I think the obvious answer would be Jerry pulled rank and it it's not hard to believe it could happen.

I have a lot of posts about the Cowboys wanting nothing to do with Hardy because of things that haven't come to light with him - especially incidents with trainers and staff that people felt were just unforgivable but I also think you're right in that people will ultimately change out of necessity.

This is the business of winning and the line in the sand gets moved all the time. It's easy to not drink a dirty bottle of water when there's a fountain right around the corner. But if you're in the desert - you drink the water and move on.

A month ago I was convinced there was no way they would ever consider resigning Hardy.

Today - I'm not so sure.

 

[Idgit]

Everyone pushing him out the door does it. The throw out "the coaches don't want him back" despite the fact that Marinelli himself stated otherwise.

When was that Marinelli quote from, btw? Was it late in the season?

People are reading a lot into how brusque Garrett was on the Hardy topic in the same interview where he was openly talking about bringing McClain back. I agree that, by comparison, that sounds like he doesn't want Hardy back at all, but it's possible we're reading a bit into that. I can't imagine the staff would be at public odds over a player like Greg Hardy. Even if they didn't agree, they wouldn't disagree about him publicly.

 

[Stash]

When was that Marinelli quote from, btw? Was it late in the season?

People are reading a lot into how brusque Garrett was on the Hardy topic in the same interview where he was openly talking about bringing McClain back. I agree that, by comparison, that sounds like he doesn't want Hardy back at all, but it's possible we're reading a bit into that. I can't imagine the staff would be at public odds over a player like Greg Hardy. Even if they didn't agree, they wouldn't disagree about him publicly.

Yes, Marinelli's quote came from Dec 31st of 2015.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...reg-hardy-remain-cowboy-future-really-special

 

[Nightman]

Dez sure seemed to get along with him and to respect his effort. And Dez is about as pro-staff and pro-Dallas as you're going to get. Even Mincey's 'criticism' of Hardy was in a careful context. My wild-*** guess is that Greg wasn't shy about getting in the faces of specific players he thought needed to be better and that some of those players didn't like that (obviously) and some of the other players were made uncomfortable by it. It also sounds like he himself took liberties with timeliness and with missing a few meetings, and that made it worse since he was the one doing a lot of the direct calling out.

Country Clubs have strict membership rules. His types are welcome there. Too loud and brash.

 

[Gameover]

Hardy is very much a Michael Irvin type personality. Just think how Irvin would be like in a 4-12 situation when he was at the top of his game.

A tear rolling down his cheek in the 97 finale?

Handled a basic benching by Gailey and took it like a man.

Michael can be an idiot, but don't compare him with this dude.

Any man who can't behave himself better after coming off a 19 game suspension deserves what is happening to Hardy. Good riddance!

 

[Idgit]

Yes, Marinelli's quote came from Dec 31st of 2015.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...reg-hardy-remain-cowboy-future-really-special

Yeah, see, that's a really interesting set of quotes. Garrett's quotes there, too:

"He's certainly worked hard for us in practice, he's played hard in games," head coach Jason Garrett said. "He's had a positive impact on the football field.

"He's played a lot of snaps. He's been productive himself, and I think some of the other guys have been productive as a result of his presence."

That sounds fairly promising in terms of the fit there with the team. It's possibly, I guess, that Hardy and Rosenhaus just had a ridiculous number in mind at the start of FA and the team flat walked away from it on that basis.

Who knows what's really going on? Too hard to say without the inside info.

 

[speedkilz88]

A tear rolling down his cheek in the 97 finale?

Handled a basic benching by Gailey and took it like a man.

Michael can be an idiot, but don't compare him with this dude.

Any man who can't behave himself better after coming off a 19 game suspension deserves what is happening to Hardy. Good riddance!

You do know that Aikman, Garrett, and Irvin loathed Chan Gailey and his offense and forced him out right?

 

[Alexander]

Yes, Marinelli's quote came from Dec 31st of 2015.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...reg-hardy-remain-cowboy-future-really-special

Well that was written on December 31.

So perhaps Hardy made a mean face at Jason during the week before the finale.

But being serious, there are rumors of Hardy calling out Garrett's manhood, so there is that. Don't know when that was supposed to have happened.

But it is clear how ice cold Garrett has been on him since the season ended.

 

[Kaiser]

Even Mincey's 'criticism' of Hardy was in a careful context.

Also Mincey called back into the same radio program and walked back his comments the following day. So all of the posts about "his teammates said" were one comment that was immediately retracted.

 

[Alexander]

If you all do not stop it, we will probably get a flurry of Mike Fisher tweets stating the final decision on Hardy's fate was on 2/22/16.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/02/22/source-dallas-cowboys-done-with-free-agent-greg-hardy/

 

[jterrell]

Well I think the obvious answer would be Jerry pulled rank and it it's not hard to believe it could happen.

I have a lot of posts about the Cowboys wanting nothing to do with Hardy because of things that haven't come to light with him - especially incidents with trainers and staff that people felt were just unforgivable but I also think you're right in that people will ultimately change out of necessity.

This is the business of winning and the line in the sand gets moved all the time. It's easy to not drink a dirty bottle of water when there's a fountain right around the corner. But if you're in the desert - you drink the water and move on.

A month ago I was convinced there was no way they would ever consider resigning Hardy.

Today - I'm not so sure.

Whatever the actual reason we continued to start him, it's clear we did.
And if whatever conditions existed to have us start him ALL last year, why are those conditions magically changed now?

The only different condition I see is he isn't CURRENTLY on the team.
But two signatures change that and neither signature required is Jason Garrett's.

I think it far more likely Rod M decides who starts than Jerry on his DL. And Perhaps Rod is less a RKoG philosophy dude.
After all, Rod made his greatest hay with Warren Sapp.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Hardy is very much a Michael Irvin type personality. Just think how Irvin would be like in a 4-12 situation when he was at the top of his game.

I don't remember any reports about Irvin being late and/or not practicing. That is the big key with this guy not just here but in Carolina. That type of player is not going be welcomed back on to many teams imo.

 

[robjay04]

Not signing him back really makes last years investment an entire waste. At this point, the media backlash is finished unless another altercation occurs. We knew when we signed Hardy that there would be backlash and by reports, he didn't handle all the criticism very well especially when the pictures emerged. Fact remains we knew what we were getting into.

Question is...if the same exact thing happened but Dallas had a successful season, would Hardy be here? If the answer is yes then Hardy is just Garretts scapegoat at this point.