When does Hardy become an option?

[SilverStarCowboy]

The 'Process' doesn't include a pass rush.

 

[KJJ]

Rookie pass rushers aren't known for production. We need hardy whether fans like it or not.

There's been rookie pass rushers who've produced in year one Ware had 8 sacks as a rookie. I would rather have a highly touted rookie who may have a long future with the team than a distraction who's only going to be around on a year-by-year basis until the team gets tired of their crap. It's going to be hard to bring Hardy back when one of his teammates who's locker is right next to his claimed he created tension in the locker room. The player we needed was Ware he's the one we should have kept he could have made a huge difference vs the Packers in 2014. Our sacks and pressures have declined since Ware left.

 

[SHAMSzy]

If Kraken isn't a Cowboy we are significantly hurting our 2017 Super Bowl chances.

2 year, 4 mil base
250k per game played
2 mil bonus for 10 sacks
2 mil bonus for 13 sacks
2 mil bonus for 16 sacks
4 mil bonus for 20 sacks

16 games played = 6 mil
16 games played + 10 sacks = 8 mil
16 games played + 20 sacks = 16 mil

Healthy Romo with an engaged Hardy are cornerstones for a Super Bowl team.

If he causes problems you simply cut him. If he balls out, you pay him.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

There's been rookie pass rushers who've produced in year one Ware had 8 sacks as a rookie. I would rather have a highly touted rookie who may have a long future with the team than a distraction who's only going to be around on a year-by-year basis until the team gets tired of their crap. It's going to be hard to bring Hardy back when one of his teammates who's locker is right next to his claimed he created tension in the locker room. The player we needed was Ware he's the one we should have kept he could have made a huge difference vs the Packers in 2014. Our sacks and pressures have declined since Ware left.

So Hardy in a down year is about as productive as the rare rookie pass rusher who has an impact. I'd rather take my chances on Hardy than hope Bosa is the next Watt. And even then, Hardy had more sacks in 12 games last year than Watt had in 16 games as a rookie. My point is, rookie pass rushers rarely make a huge impact. You're lucky if you get solid production out of them.

 

[td4mvp2k]

Hardy was the best pass rusher on the market, time for Garrett to suck it up and realize there is no other viable way to upgrade our passrush, especially with the Gregory suspension.

 

[jterrell]

I have said all along you never say never.

Would Hardy have to humble himself and promise to be more professional? Probably.
Does time heal a lot of wounds? Yes.

Does how Rod M feels have more impact than how Garrett feels? Eventually, I believe it will.

Dallas could potentially sign Hardy to another incentive-laden deal.
Garrett would have to be given assurances he could suspend Hardy if need be.
Hardy would need to be well-compensated for not getting suspended and staying healthy.
He could be paid quite well in unlikely to be earned incentives. Say 350K per game then a 2 mil bonus for playing 13 games. Another 1 mil for playing in a playoff game. Another mil if he makes the Pro Bowl. Cap cost? 5.6Mil for a top 10 pass rusher and a better player than any pass rusher that hit the market in free agency this year. But total pay off for him could be 9.6 Mil. And he'd be entering free agency again further removed from rust and scandal.

No team needs Hardy worse than Dallas. (the other team who could take a shot based on value seemed to be NE but they get Long)
Hardy needs Dallas because he needs to change the narrative here if he wants the big money ever again.

 

[jterrell]

Well it's not my threshold. It's easy for me to say, "Oh bring him back for a cheap contract– he's better than anything else available."

But I'm not one of his teammates who had to put up with his BS.

I'm not one of his coaches who had to put up with his BS.

I'm not one of the higher-ups on the team who had to witness his BS and listen to others complain about his BS.

It's not as much a $ and cents question as it is a can his teammates, coaches and front office stand another year of his antics?

There many not be any price that's acceptable to any/all of those entities.

The team kept putting him in the starting line up. Why???
All this talk of discord but he played and started every week eligible.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The team kept putting him in the starting line up. Why???
All this talk of discord but he played and started every week eligible.

I dunno.

Have no idea what went on behind the scenes.

 

[btcutter]

We are looking pretty desperate about now.

The mistake in FA so far is not about DE to me. We can address that with multiple draft choices. It's about not signing Lamar Miller and removing one of our glaring needs so we don't need to devote another draft choice to RB position. Miller is a known and young commodity. Should have pony up the $$.

 

[LittleD]

I dunno.

Have no idea what went on behind the scenes.

No but many of the DC.com reporters including Broaddus does and they say no way Hardy darkens the door of the
new Cowboy's digs in Frisco. Hardy has been put into the permanent "Box".

 

[jterrell]

I dunno.

Have no idea what went on behind the scenes.

Right. But we know he played and reasonably well for us.
Whatever the issues were they didn't prevent that.
So why would they now if he is an even bigger bargain?

No but many of the DC.com reporters including Broaddus does and they say no way Hardy darkens the door of the
new Cowboy's digs in Frisco. Hardy has been put into the permanent "Box".

Broaddus also said Mo was a goner.

 

[Stash]

Right. But we know he played and reasonably well for us.
Whatever the issues were they didn't prevent that.
So why would they now if he is an even bigger bargain?

It seems blatantly hypocritical for sure. And I don't understand this 'veil of secrecy' either. If he was a jerk, why not tell the world what a jerk he was and what he did? Send his career right down the drain if he truly deserves it. Or is this merely another case of a situation rubbing the sensitive coach the wrong way and therefore needing to go?

 

[jwooten15]

Agreed. Huge ******

But he really exposed Jason for the weak figurehead that he is. A coach who is afraid and unable, to stand up to a player on the field or in the locker room (according to reports).

Exactly right. If we had Parcells or Belichick on the sidelines, Hardy would not only keep his emotions in check, but would be one hell of a talent on the field.

Garrett always clamors for the RKG's. I'm starting to think the reason he wants them is because he can't handle anyone with an ego.

 

[Doomsay]

Where do you guys get these weird takes on Jason Garrett from? No reports anywhere remotely suggest Jason has issues standing up to his players. And if he wants a guy gone, they go.

We all witnessed Garrett cower away from Hardy's on the field special teams tantrum, so there's obviously that.

Then we have this reference of radio account of a locker room incident where Hardy was calling Garrett out personally.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/hard...-back-hardy-merged.343381/page-7#post-6566073

I'm sure that Garrett is against his return, primarily because he challenges his authority like nobody since TO & isn't afraid to call him out for the ineffective coach that he is...... I guess Jerry has to figure out if his trainee's ego is more valuable than the huge hole we have at DE presently, he doesn't have many other options left at this point.

 

[Risen Star]

If you deem him a locker room cancer then he never becomes an option. Regardless of need.

 

[DeaconMoss]

 

[Idgit]

We all witnesses Garrett cower away from Hardy's on the field special teams tantrum, so there's obviously that.

Then we have this reference of radio account of a locker room incident where Hardy was calling Garrett out personally.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/hard...-back-hardy-merged.343381/page-7#post-6566073

I'm sure that Garrett is against his return, primarily because he challenges his authority like nobody since TO & isn't afraid to call him out for the ineffective coach that he is...... I guess Jerry has to figure out if his trainee's ego is more valuable than the huge hole we have at DE presently, he doesn't have many other options left at this point.

We didn't witness anything if the dirt. That's hilarious.

But thanks for the link to the discussion about the Ben and Skin show. I'd missed that earlier. I give it no credence, at all, but at least I can see how some people would.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Right. But we know he played and reasonably well for us.
Whatever the issues were they didn't prevent that.
So why would they now if he is an even bigger bargain?



Broaddus also said Mo was a goner.

Also ignoring the DC who has publicly stated he would like to have him back.

 

[Doomsay]

We didn't witness anything if the dirt. That's hilarious.

But thanks for the link to the discussion about the Ben and Skin show. I'd missed that earlier. I give it no credence, at all, but at least I can see how some people would.

Of course you don't give it any credence, the actual events don't fit your narrative.

As for the actual on-the-field melt-down, it would appear that you missed the Giants game or the incident, so here's a recap:

Hardy slapped at the clipboard, and the little man lunged at him, screaming. Hardy came back at him with a shove, and this time Bisaccia reached up and firmly shoved Hardy out of the huddle.
It looked like a house poodle attacking a large pit bull.
But the pit bull backed off, and then some players started pushing Hardy away. Next came a Hardy sideline show right out of a seventh-grade PE class fight.
“Let me at him. Hold me back. No, let me at him. No, hold me back.”
Hardy punked on out and sulked off to the bench with Dez Bryant yapping at him.

But standing right there, observing it all, was the head coach. Jason Garrett never made a move. Never, it appeared, even said a word.

In all of Red J’s time here, and me being one of his biggest defenders, it was his weakest moment ever. How does the head coach just stand there watching all that?

Weak, Jason. Really, really, really weak.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports...y-galloway/article42005820.html#storylink=cpy

 

[DBOY3141]

Right. But we know he played and reasonably well for us.
Whatever the issues were they didn't prevent that.
So why would they now if he is an even bigger bargain?



Broaddus also said Mo was a goner.

and Rod was going to Tampa to join Lovie.