AdamJT13 v. The Horde

[Toruk_Makto]

I am a life long Buckeye. You'll not hear an argument from me on picking Zeke... The sheer amount of crying done because we didnt draft Ramsey is what gets me... Or the fact we drafted a RB.

Come the end of the year they will all be eating crow.... (Zeke doubters)

You're under the silly notion that people who didn't want Zeke to be the pick somehow think he will suck.

He's a great player and prospect.

It was dumb to go get him.

These are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Actually Green Bay has had some pretty average to poor defenses over the past few years.

The comparison is relative to our defense.

 

[Nightman]

I was arguing against 'every NFL coach' and was disproving a negative. If you want to try the to appeal to authority that is great but besides the point I was making. Balanced means you run and pass it doesn't mean you have to run the ball well.

I responded to your post not as a specific rebuttal attempt but because you 2 were talking about NFL coaches.

Obviously when you say 'every coach' that is likely to be challenged, but I would say most NFL coaches would choose a strong D and a great running game over just a strong passing game.

 

[gmoney112]

And Derrick Lassic was a lousy backup... Is it a surprise he didn't do well.

I'm going to do the amazing and bring this back to topic about AdamJT13 vs. the hoards.

Tell us how AdamJT13 is wrong.

Adam isn't wrong. But passing effectively is an umbrella term when there's so many variables, it's like saying "Score more points to win". Okay, that's great. But how?

Running the ball effectively, in theory, will help your QB be more efficient. Whether your team can take advantage is a different story. I feel confident with Tony.

Trying to assume any other conclusion is ignoring the complexities of offensive and defensive schemes and the chess match that usually ensues.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

If Ramsey turned out as good as any of those guys...man...

Instead we got a RB.

I was typing at work before leaving and didn't finish my argument

I do think if he turns out to be that good than we made a mistake, but I don't think he's as good as them. I don't think he's a generational talent, because there were far better CB prospects just a few years ago. I said it prior to the draft, but I don't even see why he's considered a better prospect than Prince Amukamara. Lot of the workout numbers are in Amukamara's favor, physically Ramsey has much longer arms, but that shouldn't account for one guy being a generational talent and the other guy being picked in the 20s.

 

[alicetooljam]

Which game did McFadden pile up the garbage stats?

Commanders? Only had 2 carries for 22 yards after the team was down 24-14
Buffalo? Score was 16-6. We were "in it" till the end
New York? Close game till the end
Green Bay? We lost 28-7, but McFadden only had 2 carries for 3 yards after we scored to make it 7-14.
Miami? No garbage time there. He closed out the game
Philly? We lost in OT.
New York? We lost by 7, Never was down more by 7 at any time either.

Tell me, where was his garbage yards at?

Every yard after we were eliminated from playoff contention......

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Every yard after we were eliminated from playoff contention......

weren't we technically alive for most of the season? I think week 14 or so we were eliminated. May have been week 15

 

[alicetooljam]

weren't we technically alive for most of the season? I think week 14 or so we were eliminated. May have been week 15

Exactly....now go look at the game log stats and tell me when the consistency started occurring.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So was Jimmy Johnson an idiot for trading up a few spots in the 1st round costing an extra 3rd round pick and selecting Emmitt Smith?

It didn't really cost us any extra picks to trade up for Emmitt. We traded down so many times we had extra picks to play with.

 

[speedkilz88]

It didn't really cost us any extra picks to trade up for Emmitt. We traded down so many times we had extra picks to play with.

Emmitt's cost was still the 17 pick in the draft plus a 3rd to get that high.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I was typing at work before leaving and didn't finish my argument

I do think if he turns out to be that good than we made a mistake, but I don't think he's as good as them. I don't think he's a generational talent, because there were far better CB prospects just a few years ago. I said it prior to the draft, but I don't even see why he's considered a better prospect than Prince Amukamara. Lot of the workout numbers are in Amukamara's favor, physically Ramsey has much longer arms, but that shouldn't account for one guy being a generational talent and the other guy being picked in the 20s.

And Zeke isn't even the best rb prospect of the last 12 months...

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You must have missed a few threads. He is a first ballot hall of famer and ring of honor inductee

This is undoubtedly true.





YR

 

[John813]

Every yard after we were eliminated from playoff contention......

So, 191 yards were garbage...

By that logic, 17.5% of his total rushing yardage was garbage and qualifies him as the "Prince of garbage time stats"?

 

[CowboyStar88]

Derrick Lassic.

Ugh.

I'm not gonna ugh Derrick that kid gave it his all, and would've been a fine backup until the injury. I always liked him and his attitude and felt terrible for the kid.

 

[jksmith269]

The Horde: YES WE GOT ZEKE!!1!

AdamJT13: Unfortunately, decades' worth of statistical evidence shows that rushing effectiveness has little correlation to winning. *cites said evidence in painstaking detail*

The Horde: That's stoopid! Zeke is da man!

AdamJT13: Elliott may very well be a good player. But his ability to run the ball has little bearing on whether the Cowboys win. The evidence clearly demonstrates that teams win when they pass the ball better than their opponents.

The Horde: Well...that's just your opinion man!

AdamJT13: Actually, that's a fact, not an opinion.

The Horde: But but but running teh ball makes Romo better! Just like in 2014 with Murray!

AdamJT13: There's no correlation between rushing effectiveness and passing effectiveness. *cites evidence in support of claim* In 2014, for example, the Cowboys won the games where they passed the ball better than their opponents and lost the games where they didn't. There was no correlation between Murray's rushing effectiveness in those games and Romo's passing effectiveness. *cites evidence in support of claim*

The Horde: ARE YOU BLIND? OF COURSE HAVING A DOMINANT RUN GAME HELPS DO YOU EVEN WATCH DA GAMES YOU *?#$

AdamJT13: Yes, I watched and charted every game, just like I've done for many years. What evidence do you have in support of your assertion?

The Horde: iM to busy to look it up but everyone says so

AdamJT13: *closes eyes, takes a deep breath, exhales*

I remember back with Emmitt if he had 20 carries a game Dallas had an amazing win percentage, also when he rushed for at least 100 yards. I'll take ball control over the run and shoot of a pass 40 time's a game any day of the week.

 

[VirusX]

I really don't know any Zeke doubters.
There were some that wanted Ramsey and more that wanted to trade down and get two players instead of Zeke...then get a RB later.

In any case, everyone sees Zeke having success

Btw, some Buckeye trivia, my dad, as a high school coach, used to run a football camp with Woody Hayes

Awesome, Man is a legend to every Buckeye... We've had a couple of great coaches! I am looking forward to the fresh faces in Columbus. Don't think I will have time to make the trek up to Columbus from Dallas this year though.

I am sure your Dad has some pretty sweet stories from that experience!

 

[Manwiththeplan]

And Zeke isn't even the best rb prospect of the last 12 months...

maybe not, but my dislike of Ramsey as a prospect isn't because he isn't the best CB in the last so many years, I just think he has shown no ability to anticipate routes or make routine plays on the ball that result in interceptions. I think being a shutdown CB is a myth and if you don't make QBs pay, they'll continually throw your way and you'll get beat a good amount of the time. I don't think he'll be a bad CB, but I think he'll be about as good as Prince Amukamara, who like Ramsey was a great athlete, but had poor ball skills. He's solid, provides good coverage, but does get beat from time to time.

 

[alicetooljam]

So, 191 yards were garbage...

By that logic, 17.5% of his total rushing yardage was garbage and qualifies him as the "Prince of garbage time stats"?

14 12/13 @ GBL 7-2811 9 111 12.3
15 12/19 NYJL 16-1911 16 100 6.3
16 12/27 @ BUFL 6-1611 19 99 5.2
17 01/03 WASL 23-3411 12 92 7.7

formatting went to heck after submitting. http://www.nfl.com/player/darrenmcfadden/284/gamelogs

Argue it all you want, but I see a jump in consistency, yards, yards per carry, and long runs once the games were meaningless and he got closer to a bonus for reaching 1,000 yards.

 

[BourbonBalz]

At that point... the first game of the 1993 season, they were coming off of a 9-7 season.

And they were playing a home opener vs. their most hated rival who had just won a Super Bowl.

You think the Commanders were fired up to beat the Cowboys?

I'm thinking yes.

Dude, give it up. Your post was bull****.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Emmitt played in both games...went for a buck 40 in one game and 99 yards in the other, so why are they relevant to the topic at hand



where am I using magic or even making an assumption. It's a fact that the 1993 Commanders team wasn't good. It's a fact that they had a different coach than the team that won in 1991, it's a fact that they had multiple starters gone from that team and it's a fact that a lot of those guys didn't even play football the following year. They just weren't the same team and I don't see how they are relevant to the topic at hand

They weren't, but that goes against the narrative he's trying desperately to support.