Jaylon Smith nerve countdown

[KJJ]

That's not true. Romo hit Dunbar on routes not just dump offs. Plus Dez wasn't healthy that game he left multiple times to get an I.V plus he got hurt

Did you record a song called "that's not true?" because that seems to be your theme song when responding to me but it sounds like a broken record. Dunbar caught 8 passes in the opener for 70 yards, a combination of dumps and short passes out in space that were by design to allow him to use his quickness and elusiveness to break off some plays. They were basically extended handoffs due to the running game not being effective.

He was utilized the same way with Weeden by design vs Atlanta. He caught 10 passes for 100 yards with Weeden and averaged 10.0 per catch compared to 8.8 per reception with Romo in the opener. Dunbar didn't produce a single catch vs NO because he got injured leaving Weeden with no real weapons other Witten who can't get down the field and Twill who doesn't show up every week and has trouble getting open. Despite not having Dez or Dunbar vs NO, Weeden played his best game as the starter last season averaging 9.5 per completion and finishing the game with a 105.6 passer rating.

Plus he was having to duel it out with Drew Brees. Everyone here talks about how bad Twill is but two of the biggest plays last season were TD passes to Twill by Weeden vs Philly that sealed that win and a TD vs NO in the final 7 seconds that sent that game to OT. As for Dez in the opener despite having to go in for an IV and being injured he still caught 5 passes for 48 yards. He still had to be accounted for and was a weapon Weeden never had last season.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Did you record a song called "that's not true?" because that seems to be your theme song when responding to me but it sounds like a broken record. Dunbar caught 8 passes in the opener for 70 yards, a combination of dumps and short passes out in space that were by design to allow him to use his quickness and elusiveness to break off some plays. They were basically extended handoffs due to the running game not being effective.

He was utilized the same way with Weeden by design. He caught 10 passes for 100 yards with Weeden and averaged 10.0 per catch compared to 8.8 per reception with Romo in the opener. Dunbar didn't produce a single catch vs NO because he got injured leaving Weeden with no real weapons other Witten who can't get down the field and Twill. Despite not having Dez or Dunbar vs NO, Weeden played his best game as the starter last season averaging 9.5 per completion and finishing the game with a 105.6 passer rating.

Plus he was having to duel it out with Drew Brees. Everyone here talks about how bad Twill is but two of the biggest plays last season were TD passes to Twill by Weeden vs Philly that sealed that win and a TD vs NO in the final 7 seconds that sent that game to OT. As for Dez in the opener despite having to go in for an IV and being injured he still caught 5 passes for 48 yards. He still had to be accounted for and was a weapon Weeden never had last season.

Well don't write untrue comments and I won't have to say it. You really need to go watch the game if you think Dunbar was only getting dump offs and that Dez had to be accounted for all game.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That didn't take long you must be on this board 24/7. Have you ever considered taking a break?

What are you talking about? My last post before that was at 6:45. I'm not going to talk about my personal life anyway but nice try.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The official definition of a "journeyman" when it relates to sports is a player who is reliable but not outstanding. Fitzpatrick hasn't even been very reliable which is why the Jets are his 6th team. He has a career passer rating of only 80.8. He's been with the Jets one season where his passer rating was 88.8 and didn't lead NY to the playoffs but he's looking for a big money contract. lol The Broncos wouldn't touch him back in March because he was looking for 18M a year. He's basically a stopgap QB and he's looking for elite QB money.

It's your typical emotional tripe then. Got it.

The top QBs all make over $20m. He's not asking for that. He was offered $12m, a difference of 8. Cousins and Tannehill make $19m.

http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/ Educate yourself a bit.

Can you name 2 dozen quarterbacks better than him? It's not my fault you have no idea of market dynamics frankly.

 

[KJJ]

Well don't write untrue comments and I won't have to say it. You really need to go watch the game if you think Dunbar was only getting dump offs and that Dez had to be accounted for all game.

It's become a tiring theme of yours to claim everything I say is untrue without and ounce of proof. It's called blowing hot air! Dump offs/short passes it doesn't make any difference they were mostly extended handoffs to allow Dunbar to make something happen out in space and he averaged more per catch with Weeden than he did with Romo. What we were doing with Dubar was very effective helping us move the ball, giving us leads but our defense couldn't hold. It was the same thing in the opener with Romo our D couldn't make stops. Had it not been for a huge clock management gaffe by the Giants late in the game where they could have sealed the win, Romo would have never had an opportunity to pull that game out with a last minute drive. If we had a defense Weeden very easily could have gone 2-1 as the starter.

Our D blew three 14 point leads vs the Falcons. Julio Jones abused us but everyone here wants to throw it all on Weeden when he played well enough to win. He got us to OT vs NO on a great last ditch drive only to see our damn defense fold in OT never allowing our offense to see the field. Romo went 8-8 three straight seasons having to deal with defensive issues and other problems this team always seems to have.

When you go 1-11 with THREE backup QBs your issues are deeper than QB. As for Dez I never said he had to be accounted for the entire game vs the Giants that's your spin. He was in there long enough to catch 5 balls for almost 50 yards. He was never on the field for a single down with Weeden last year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's become a tiring theme of yours to claim everything I say is untrue without and ounce of proof. It's called blowing hot air! Dump offs/short passes it doesn't make any difference they were mostly extended handoffs to allow Dunbar to make something happen out in space and he averaged more per catch with Weeden than he did with Romo. What we were doing with Dubar was very effective helping us move the ball, giving us leads but our defense couldn't hold. It was the same thing in the opener with Romo our D couldn't make stops. Had it not been for a huge clock management gaffe by the Giants late in the game where they could have sealed the win, Romo would have never had an opportunity to pull that game out with a last minute drive. If we had a defense Weeden very easily could have gone 2-1 as the starter.

Our D blew three 14 point leads vs the Falcons. Julio Jones abused us but everyone here wants to throw it all on Weeden when he played well enough to win. He got us to OT vs NO on a great last ditch drive only to see our damn defense fold in OT never allowing our offense to see the field. Romo went 8-8 three straight seasons having to deal with defensive issues and other problems this team always seems to have.

When you go 1-11 with THREE backup QBs your issues are deeper than QB. As for Dez I never said he had to be accounted for the entire game vs the Giants that's your spin. He was in there long enough to catch 5 balls for almost 50 yards. He was never on the field for a single down with Weeden last year.

You don't really seem to understand the notion of burden of proof in American culture.

An assertion without basis is to be discarded. Much like your 'official definition' of journeyman.

 

[rpntex]

You're starting to word your posts like CCBoy you're not making any sense as it is. The team quit on Wade because we were getting destroyed by Rodgers and the Packers and Wade was a creampuff who coddled players. Don't know why you're bringing that game up it's irrelevant to this discussion. It's just another way to keep arguing. I never said the Commanders laid down I said they laid back on defense which allowed Moore to put up all those yards.

This is just your MO to keep arguments going and going. Moore was facing a lot of backups and the game meant nothing to the Commanders. They were just trying to get the game over with and come away healthy for the playoffs. I've NEVER seen anyone look to ARGUE the way you do. This is why posters tell you to leave them alone and move on from you.

Actually, on this point he's making a lot of sense. He wants you to support your post with something other than assumptions. You're coming across as though you're inside the minds of Weeden, the coaching staff, etc.

you're not...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And Julio Jones was controlled in the first half as Claiborne was doing an admirable job. Then they moved him to the slot and got into our middle coverage and Church and company failed markedly.

Of course it's a team game.

 

[KJJ]

It's your typical emotional tripe then. Got it.

The top QBs all make over $20m. He's not asking for that. He was offered $12m, a difference of 8. Cousins and Tannehill make $19m.

http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/ Educate yourself a bit.

Can you name 2 dozen quarterbacks better than him? It's not my fault you have no idea of market dynamics frankly.

Back in March he reportedly wanted money in the 18M range per year. Try doing some research instead of trying to create arguments all day and night. He had one decent season last year I can name a bunch of QBs I would rather have them him. He can look real good for awhile and then you start seeing why he's played for 6 different teams.

"In other words, the long and short of it for Fitzpatrick is this: he wants to get Sam Bradford money (a.k.a. $18 million a year or somewhere in the range). But teams see him as successful in Gailey's system and, at 33 years old, a bridge quarterback at absolute best.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/reports-ryan-fitzpatricks-demands-irk-jets-too-steep-for-broncos/

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Back in March he reportedly wanted money in the 18M range per year. Try doing some research instead of trying to create arguments all day and night. He had one decent season last year I can name a bunch of QBs I would rather have them him. He can look real good for awhile and then you start seeing why he's played for 6 different teams.

"In other words, the long and short of it for Fitzpatrick is this: he wants to get Sam Bradford money (a.k.a. $18 million a year or somewhere in the range). But teams see him as successful in Gailey's system and, at 33 years old, a bridge quarterback at absolute best.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/reports-ryan-fitzpatricks-demands-irk-jets-too-steep-for-broncos/

You didn't educate yourself I see. Again the top QBs ie top 10 all make $20m or more and that includes guys that were signed before the most recent expansion of the cap.

I would rather have Fitzpatrick than Sam Bradford anyway.

 

[KJJ]

Actually, on this point he's making a lot of sense. He wants you to support your post with something other than assumptions. You're coming across as though you're inside the minds of Weeden, the coaching staff, etc.

you're not...

From reading some of your posts it's no surprise he makes sense to you. Dude, I'm posting facts not assumptions. If you want to associate yourself his line of thinking you won't fare any better than he does in debates.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

From reading some of your posts it's no surprise he makes sense to you. Dude, I'm posting facts not assumptions. If you want to associate yourself his line of thinking you won't fare any better than he does in debates.

As rpn pointed out you act like you know but you really don't know what the coaches motivations and strategies are. You play fantasy land repeatedly.

You can call those facts if you like. We've addressed your handwaving at completion percentage and have tried to bring up third down percentage and scoring but you just dissemble talking about how I must be like CC or similar tripe.

 

[KJJ]

What are you talking about? My last post before that was at 6:45.

That's because I hadn't posted in several hours but as soon as I did post you quickly responded. It's like you were waiting with bated breath.

 

[KJJ]

As rpn pointed out you act like you know but you really don't know what the coaches motivations and strategies are. You play fantasy land repeatedly.

Once rpn associated himself with your line of thinking he lost all credibility, not the he had that much to lose. lol

 

[KJJ]

You don't really seem to understand the notion of burden of proof in American culture.

An assertion without basis is to be discarded. Much like your 'official definition' of journeyman.

I posted a bunch of stats and situations comparing Moore and Weeden's play last season that conclusively proved Weeden outplayed Moore and it wasn't even a contest. You claimed Moore played better simply because he went down the field more despite he and Weeden averaging virtually the same per attempt.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

It's become a tiring theme of yours to claim everything I say is untrue without and ounce of proof. It's called blowing hot air! Dump offs/short passes it doesn't make any difference they were mostly extended handoffs to allow Dunbar to make something happen out in space and he averaged more per catch with Weeden than he did with Romo. What we were doing with Dubar was very effective helping us move the ball, giving us leads but our defense couldn't hold. It was the same thing in the opener with Romo our D couldn't make stops. Had it not been for a huge clock management gaffe by the Giants late in the game where they could have sealed the win, Romo would have never had an opportunity to pull that game out with a last minute drive. If we had a defense Weeden very easily could have gone 2-1 as the starter.

Our D blew three 14 point leads vs the Falcons. Julio Jones abused us but everyone here wants to throw it all on Weeden when he played well enough to win. He got us to OT vs NO on a great last ditch drive only to see our damn defense fold in OT never allowing our offense to see the field. Romo went 8-8 three straight seasons having to deal with defensive issues and other problems this team always seems to have.

When you go 1-11 with THREE backup QBs your issues are deeper than QB. As for Dez I never said he had to be accounted for the entire game vs the Giants that's your spin. He was in there long enough to catch 5 balls for almost 50 yards. He was never on the field for a single down with Weeden last year.

OK go ahead and think Weeden was better then Romo. The things you say is laughable, you quote the same stuff about Weeden and his Atlanta and NO game. ....you forget how many TDs Randle got in that game. Our running backs gave us that lead in Atlanta and after half time they made adjustments because why. ........they realized Weeden wasn't throwing farther then 10-15 yards. They crowded the box and made it simple to defend us.

Against the Giants. ...you say we only won because of clock management. I say it was because Romo led us down the field and scored in under a minute. Weeden couldn't do that, Moore was the only QB that could move the ball. Weeden and Cassel had 3 and outs almost every time the ball was placed in their hands. They showed no skill in picking up the blitz. ...which Moore proved the opposite by hitting Dez on a screen for a TD.

Moore made mistakes but it was his first real action in any real game at the pro level. Weeden and Cassel were starters on other teams and couldn't win a game. Dan Bailey won the game for us against Washington. Go back in see what Weeden record was before he started for us. ...0-9 or something.

 

[KJJ]

And Julio Jones was controlled in the first half as Claiborne was doing an admirable job.

Like Claiborne was left alone to cover Julio Jones?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Like Claiborne was left alone to cover Julio Jones?

Actually there was many plays Claiborne was 1 on 1 with Julio

 

[rpntex]

From reading some of your posts it's no surprise he makes sense to you. Dude, I'm posting facts not assumptions. If you want to associate yourself his line of thinking you won't fare any better than he does in debates.

BS...you make all sorts of assumptions...

Right after the draft, you made an assumption that I wanted to see Dallas draft Jalen Ramsey, when I had never posted anything of the sort. I was, in fact, hoping for Exekial Elliot, and has posted such wishes - regularly - as soon as Philly made the trade to move up to #2.

Earlier in the spring, i posted the following (paraphrasing)..."Dallas is not necessarily "set" on the DL, but I believe they are in better shape than some think". You assumed from that one post that I was convinced that Mayowa was going to an outstanding DE. The fact was I hadn't mentioned Mayowa at all.

Now you're saying that Weeden threw short passes to Dunbar as part of the designed game plan. The FACT is that sometimes he did, but many times he was checking down - abandoning the designed play. Neither you nor I knows which were designed routes, and which were check-downs. The difference is that YOU Rae the only one who assumes to know which was which.

I'm not going to draw out any argument with you. You lost this one with Fuzzy, and that's no big deal. Everyone who's ever been married knows that you never win all the arguments, anyway. What's sad is, when asked to support your opinions with something other than an assumption, it's overwhelmingly evident that's what you're doing. That you don't even make the effort is pathetic.

 

[KJJ]

OK go ahead and think Weeden was better then Romo. The things you say is laughable, you quote the same stuff about Weeden and his Atlanta and NO game. ....you forget how many TDs Randle got in that game. Our running backs gave us that lead in Atlanta and after half time they made adjustments because why. ........they realized Weeden wasn't throwing farther then 10-15 yards. They crowded the box and made it simple to defend us.

Against the Giants. ...you say we only won because of clock management. I say it was because Romo led us down the field and scored in under a minute. Weeden couldn't do that, Moore was the only QB that could move the ball. Weeden and Cassel had 3 and outs almost every time the ball was placed in their hands. They showed no skill in picking up the blitz. ...which Moore proved the opposite by hitting Dez on a screen for a TD.

Moore made mistakes but it was his first real action in any real game at the pro level. Weeden and Cassel were starters on other teams and couldn't win a game. Dan Bailey won the game for us against Washington. Go back in see what Weeden record was before he started for us. ...0-9 or something.

Where did I say Weeden was better than Romo? I never said that! If you're going to twist my comments get movin! The only laughable comments are coming from you the others you're teaming with. It's like all of you are standing on a rug allowing me to pull it out from under all of you. As for the opener vs the Giants had the Giants not screwed up in the final moments and scored a TD at the one yard line, Romo wouldn't have had an opportunity to win the game on a last ditch drive. What game were you watching? Had the Giants scored the TD instead of screwing up and having to settle for a FG the Cowboys would have needed to recover an onside kick to have a chance to win.