Cowboys losing Ground? For the Record . reinforces how 2016 was a missed opportunity ***MERGED***

[AsthmaField]

these are not average: bouye, poe (still available), zeitler, perry, ryan, whitworth, pryor, jeffery, hankins, gilmore, prince, hightower, wagner, kirkpatrick, jackson, logan, fairley, leary

They all have or will likely gotten over paid.

Zeitler is a guard who isn't as good as the starters in Dallas. You want to pay him big to come be a back up?
Poe isn't very good and will be way, way overpaid.
Bouye I liked but he was overpaid and he is a risk because he's been good for a short period. But at least I could get behind his signing.
Perry didn't play well until his contract year. A huge red flag and he got paid a lot. Not smart.
Whitworth is on the downside of his career and the team can't keep spending big on the OL.
Pryor, I don't like. Period. And neither do a lot of his own team mates.
Jeffery cost a lot and I'd rather have Butler and Williams than him on the last legs of his career.
Hankins isn't a fit for Marinelli's defense and the team won't spend big on a 1-tech.
Gilmore. Expensive as ****.
Prince I liked well enough but I haven't really even looked at what he got paid.
Hightower will be paid a ton and isn't going to leave NE anyway unless he gets crazy money.
Wagner... again the team isn't going to continue sinking all of their salary cap dollars into the OL.
Jackson wouldn't be signed here and he's getting old anyway.
Logan and Fairley, assuming they're not asking for way too much money, I would get behind but again, Dallas isn't going to spend big at DT unless it is an Aaron Donald type.
Leary was always going to leave. Collins isn't viewed as a RT by the team.

Just not the way the team does business.

Like I said, just because you want them to doesn't mean it is the right thing to do nor that they'll do it.

 

[AsthmaField]

i started the threads to show what could be done without blowing up the cap.
after all, we all agree we should not blow up the cap right.

One thread could have shown that Dallas could sign some free agents without blowing up the cap. For most, that was never the question.

The real question was who would be worth paying big for.

Of course we agree the cap shouldn't be blown up. However, I don't agree that this coming season should be tanked like you said, just because we didn't sign expensive free agents... which is a childish thing to suggest.

since we have too many needs on the D to get in the draft, just tank the year for all I care..
if the D is horrible, then at least we get a better draft pick in 2018 to nail a daddy and complete the dynasty building.

 

[waldoputty]

They all have or will likely gotten over paid.

Zeitler is a guard who isn't as good as the starters in Dallas. You want to pay him big to come be a back up?
Poe isn't very good and will be way, way overpaid.
Bouye I liked but he was overpaid and he is a risk because he's been good for a short period. But at least I could get behind his signing.
Perry didn't play well until his contract year. A huge red flag and he got paid a lot. Not smart.
Whitworth is on the downside of his career and the team can't keep spending big on the OL.
Pryor, I don't like. Period. And neither do a lot of his own team mates.
Jeffery cost a lot and I'd rather have Butler and Williams than him on the last legs of his career.
Hankins isn't a fit for Marinelli's defense and the team won't spend big on a 1-tech.
Gilmore. Expensive as ****.
Prince I liked well enough but I haven't really even looked at what he got paid.
Hightower will be paid a ton and isn't going to leave NE anyway unless he gets crazy money.
Wagner... again the team isn't going to continue sinking all of their salary cap dollars into the OL.
Jackson wouldn't be signed here and he's getting old anyway.
Logan and Fairley, assuming they're not asking for way too much money, I would get behind but again, Dallas isn't going to spend big at DT unless it is an Aaron Donald type.
Leary was always going to leave. Collins isn't viewed as a RT by the team.

Just not the way the team does business.

Like I said, just because you want them to doesn't mean it is the right thing to do nor that they'll do it.

you said there are average players.
there are more than average players.
i did not say to sign zeitler, i just gave you a list - not suggest half of them are even relevant.

the concept of overpaid is based on whose opinion?
if the market is willing to pay, that is the new market rate.
with teams having many tens of millions of cap space, we will see lots of inflation.
it will only get worst as the cap continues to rise.
it is inflationary by nature and many will feel sticker shock.
that is just the new cap environment
we adjust or miss opportunities.

wagner to me makes the most sense.
especially with Free's pending retirement and they knew it.
now they have taken an unnecessary chance with the young franchise QB.

i would rather have signed no defense defensive players or receiver and count on the draft instead of play games with Dak's protection.
if we go 6-10 because of bad defense and lack of receivers, at least we would be in position to draft a daddy and then sign the WR and CBs etc.

tanking is my personal preference if we are not going to beat the patriots anyway.

 

[TheHerd]

that organization does seem to have a track record of struggling to figure things out

Yah, the emperor never has a plan to take away one thing the opposition sod best.

 

[AsthmaField]

It is common knowledge that players are, for the most part, over paid in free agency.

It would be outside the norm to think they aren't over paid.

 

[GIFTS86]

I been wondering if dallas is in the works of making a trade for a DE

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I don't know if I agree that it's all downhill from here, but I was definitely very upset when we predictably lost to GB in the playoffs this year. While most people here seemed to be congratulating us for the great season, I knew another 13-3 season wasn't guaranteed. We finished 12-4 in Romo's first year as a full starter and never had similar success throughout the rest of Romo's career besides 2014. Every year in the NFL is a clean slate (except if you're New England). You see teams have a great year and look to be the beginning of a dynasty, only to fall flat the next year and never regain what they had. The Commanders had a record-setting rookie duo of RGIII and Morris and they peaked as rookies. The Seahawks that same year actually did start the beginning of a mini-dynasty with Russell Wilson and that young defense, but even that didn't last very long. You can't afford to blow it in the NFL. Just because the Falcons have the reigning MVP and a boat load of young talent, doesn't mean they won't finish 7-9 next year. We definitely blew it this past year. We were 13-3 and couldn't even hang in the first game of the playoffs. I don't care if our most important players were rookies and it had never been done before. We should've done more in the playoffs than we did. We might not ever get back to that in the Dak-Zeke era.

 

[waldoputty]

It is common knowledge that players are, for the most part, over paid in free agency.

It would be outside the norm to think they aren't over paid.

we are in an strong inflationary period as the supply of $ drastically exceeds the # of quality players.
it is common to feel good are overpriced.
we either adapt or we cannot take advantage.

 

[big dog cowboy]

People just can't expect to look at the offseason and judge if the roster holes are filled when we're just into day 4 of the half a year offseason. It is chicken little'ish to do so.

Great post **.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You got it lane!!!!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You guys remember last off season and the offseason before that and the offseason before that when we did nothing in the offseason and everyone jumped off a bridge and we ended up better then half of the league on defense?

 

[ChooChoo73]

One of their strategies is certainly to retain their own but they aren't going to overpay.

When it comes to talent acquisition, their plan is the same as it has been the last several off seasons.

Yes I agree with it.

Next year will be different if Romo's contract is off the books. There will be money to spend.

Respect your takes. I would like them to try to add 1-2 proven pieces where they struggle to find gems. Maybe 1 premium shot every couple of years. I think that shot should be to pay market at pass rusher and/or safety if the talent is there since they swing and miss constantly at these spots in the draft and at the bargain bins of free agency. Whether free agency or proposing trades, I'd like to see the attempt. The last handful of years has not proven successful. They are hit or miss season to season. I expect that to continue but hope against it.

 

[waldoputty]

You guys remember last off season and the offseason before that and the offseason before that when we did nothing in the offseason and everyone jumped off a bridge and we ended up better then half of the league on defense?

they had no business spending much last year.
they were 4-12 with future at QB.

the offense protected the defense in stats by reducing their time on the field (and probably possessions).

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

they had no business spending much last year.
they were 4-12 with future at QB.

the offense protected the defense in stats by reducing their time on the field (and probably possessions).

That's basically the recipe for most teams in the NFL. Defenses that stay on the field all game.......won't have much success in this league.

 

[waldoputty]

That's basically the recipe for most teams in the NFL. Defenses that stay on the field all game.......won't have much success in this league.

but we were really good at it

 

[chagus]

I remember when this board complained all offseason last year about us not addressing backup QB adequately.

Yeah, thats kinda what you do in the offseason... worry and complain about needs. It'll happen next offseason as well.

 

[chagus]

Honest question
Just curious who we should have paid big bucks for so far?

Normally its fair to offer a solution if a complaint is made

Well thats the thing: Dallas has no "big bucks". So the question is moot. But, if so, i wouldve gone after JPP or Okung.

 

[lukin2006]

The only way to fix this D was to bring in proven players through FA, this team no longer participates in FA...they just replace our own FA with similarly talented...sadly. I have very little confidence that this D will be fixed in 2,3 or 4 years. We have 3 round 2 picks on our roster, 1 has barely seen the field (Gregory), one who may never play (Smith) and Lawrence who doesn't appear to be worth the pick we used on him...but I would think if the team really wanted the D fixed Marrineli has to go...

After that 20 yard play that GB completed that sent us packing also should have sent RM packing...and take his bend, but don't break philosophy into retirement. I really thought Jones would have clued in that until they bring in a solid DT and DE this team will be going no where.

 

[chagus]

I agree. Saying that the corners in Philly have sucked for awhile now. Look at Maxwell , does good in Seattle crashes in Philly , goes to Miami half way through the season plays very well. I believe they think Nolan will be a better fit in our scheme which I believe he will be better.

Thats what thinking, or really, HOPING is the case. Perhaps Carroll can be coached up? Im thinking yes and hoping he's a steal.

 

[chagus]

Not saying we don't need to address DE and secondary but fans still forget Tapper and Smith which will help. As to Carroll, considering Marinelli has been trying to get the guy for two years, have to believe he is at least better than Carr and Claiborne at least to Marinelli.

With McClay, I do trust in the draft.

Didn't know Carroll was a Marinelli target. That's comforting and raises level of expectation. Nice tidbit of info!