Noah Brown, The steal of the Draft?

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Please. My intelligence isn't up for discussion or dispute. And you don't even believe what you just said. You're just trying to save face. So we'll move right along to your next point.



Skreeetttcch!!! Brakes applied.

First, no, that's not what the headline states or implies. I used to write headlines and have them written for me. And I was taught you make the headline as accurate as possible albeit brief. Your statement would be interpreted by many - if not most - as talking about the entire draft. If you were talking about the Cowboys alone, you should have used the prepositional phrase for the Cowboys, i.e., Noah Brown: Steal of the draft for the Cowboys? That is more accurate, if indeed what you're saying is true, and I have my doubts.

Second, what's so funny about this is you criticized me for not communicating effectively, but you apparently don't understand basic forms of grammar and how they're applied in language. "for the Cowboys" is a KEY prepositional phrase needed to understand your thought. Without it, the average person would interpret the headline to mean the entire draft.

Third, the explanation you're now giving isn't what you said in your initial response to me. I guess after a few days you thought you found an excuse. Fortunately, some of us know the appropriate use of language. ;)



But the poster was saying that every team board is talking about a player they drafted as "the steal of the draft" not just the "steal of the draft for their team."

Nice try twisting what was said to fit your belated explanation/excuse.



Please stop. The context of your sentence defines "the draft." In the first example, we know that the "draft" being talked about is the entire draft because the entire draft was on television, not just an individual team's draft. In the second example, the pronoun "we" defines what is being discussed in the sentence. But YOUR headline DOES NOT give enough information to understand it any way other than it applying to the entire draft.
You're trying to con a grammarian. :laugh:
You ought to be ashamed of yourself.



Sigh.

Follow the bouncing ball of logic.
1. My initial comment was based on your headline.
2. You got offended by my comment about your headline and my hyperbolic statement about Jerry Rice.
3. The discussion disintegrated from there.
Whatever yours or other posters' point beyond that, I have no idea. So if they support you or don't isn't really my concern.

You merely had to say, "Tyke1doe, I didn't mean the entire draft but just the steal for the Cowboys." Problem solved. But you did not. Instead, you took offense and started talking about how I'm not communicating effectively - an ironic statement considering how you're NOW trying to explain what you meant.

Second, consensus does not determine correctness. At one point in American history, consensus supported slavery. Pointing to what everyone does or what most do is not the sole way to determine right or wrong.

Third, my point beyond my definition of steal was a grammatical one. And I am absolutely, unequivocally, emphatically correct as it relates to the use of the article the, the inappropriate and incomplete nature of your headline and the use of the phrase "the steal of the draft". Ask any English teacher, professor, PhD candidate and they will tell you the same thing I've told you. Now, whether you or your friends understand this is another matter. But I am absolutely certain of my position on this.

But you seek validation from consensus, which, in the case of this board, can be fickle and bias. I seek validation based on established truth, in this case, the appropriate use of grammar and language and the analytical way we would determine who or what determines "the steal of the draft."

Maybe next time, you should be a bit more careful with your headlines/language and less sensitive to criticism. ;)


WOW... while you are long winded. You are not correct.

Let me lead with this. I currently work in the newspaper industry. I have for 9 years. Please save me your "expertise". While I'm sure living in your mothers basement is very good experience for internet trolling, it isn't helping you much when it comes to your comprehension of basic information. (should I insert an emoji here? nah... )

I will stick to the facts and hopefully you will "get it" this time...

The fact is, the headline was finished with a question mark. This was used by me, the "author" to ask the question "Is he the steal of the draft?" I know, because I wrote it. FACT

Your statement about Jerry Rice was not hyperbole and that was very clear by my reply, that was hyperbole (you can tell by my sarcastic eye roll emoji, that was used to convey sarcasm) and how you responded to it. Stating Brown would have to be the best WR of all time to be the steal of the draft. FACT.

Now, you are being as long winded as possible, because you are a loser and have nothing better to do than discuss grammar, incorrectly, with someone on the internet. FACT.

In closing, I work a full time job, have a wife with two kids and am busy. I don't have time to get on here everyday and post to morons. So feel lucky, I wasted a lot of time dealing with you. FACT
 

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I really wasnt trying to call you a name.

It was my way of just pointing out the fact thats what you are.( kind of like when someone, who is an ***, is talking and everyone else in the room are rolling there eyes at him as he speeks.)

You perfected the persona of being an *** so well I just figured you were proud of the label.

Be honest you must hear it every where you go

No, not really. But your feelings are noted.
 

tyke1doe

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WOW... while you are long winded. You are not correct.

Says the man who previously offered and now offers a long winded post. :laugh:

Let me lead with this. I currently work in the newspaper industry. I have for 9 years. Please save me your "expertise". While I'm sure living in your mothers basement is very good experience for internet trolling, it isn't helping you much when it comes to your comprehension of basic information. (should I insert an emoji here? nah... )

:laugh: So let me get this straight:
1. You work in the newspaper industry, have for 9 years (of course, you didn't say WHERE you worked in the newspaper industry.) Could be in the printing department. ;)
2. You offer NOTHING to address my point about grammar, headlines, prepositional phrases to provide further description.
3. Instead you declare that I'm wrong and then, get this, offer the most juvenile of insults (but amusing) that I'm trolling from my mother's basement. Bahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Wait, "No, mom, I'm not hungry." :lmao2:

The fact is, the headline was finished with a question mark.
This was used by me, the "author" to ask the question "Is he the steal of the draft?" I know, because I wrote it. FACT
Uh, so. I'm not attacking your use of a question mark as opposed to a period. That's immaterial to this discussion.
Let me show you why very simply:
"Noah Brown: Is he the steal of the draft?"
"Noah Brown: Is he the steal of the draft for the Cowboys?"
Both sentences are questions. But both sentences are not the same. The former addresses if he is a steal of the entire draft. The latter addresses if he is a steal for the Cowboys draft.
That's what this debate is all about. I'm glad you know what a question mark does, but that's not at issue. That's like saying you got the "c" and the "t" right in spelling "cat" but don't pay attention to the "u" you insert between the two. LOL!

Your statement about Jerry Rice was not hyperbole and that was very clear by my reply, that was hyperbole (you can tell by my sarcastic eye roll emoji, that was used to convey sarcasm) and how you responded to it. Stating Brown would have to be the best WR of all time to be the steal of the draft. FACT.
Do you know what hyperbole is, Mr. "I work in the newspaper industry"?
Hyperbole: Girl says to boy, "You're going to have to jump over the Atlantic Ocean to win my love."
Does boy literally have to jump over the Atlantic Ocean? No. But the point of her hyperbole is to stress that he's going to have to do something fantastic to win her love.
Similarly, when I said Brown is going to have to have a career like Jerry Rice, I'm saying that he's going to have to do some great things and have a greater career compared to the talent drafted after him and the great careers they may have.

See, I don't stammer or stumble. I know how to explain my position and use proper grammar and language. Not one time have you challenged any of the points I've made with respect to grammar and appropriate usage of language. You just offer irrelevant points, but let's continue. :)

Now, you are being as long winded as possible, because you are a loser and have nothing better to do than discuss grammar, incorrectly, with someone on the internet. FACT.
And yet no rebuttals as to how I'm incorrectly using grammar. No challenge of my definition of how we would determine the "steal of the draft". Just more rhetoric.
I'm pretty sure you're not a reporter or a copy editor because anyone worth his/her salt could clearly see what I'm saying is legitimate and valid. Well, unless you're one of these newbies who don't know anything about writing or journalism.

In closing, I work a full time job, have a wife with two kids and am busy. I don't have time to get on here everyday and post to morons. So feel lucky, I wasted a lot of time dealing with you. FACT

Says the man who in his busy schedule still manages to return, offer a long winded post and doesn't address any of the points I've made with respect to grammar and language but merely offers some random FACTS.

The sky is blue. FACT.
The air we breathe. FACT.
Water is wet. FACT.
Therefore, you're wrong. FACT. :laugh::lmao::lmao2:
 

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Thats it this post without a shadow of a doubt proves why Noah is in fact THE steal of the draft

Mic drop


We'll see. There are plenty of interesting candidates who were drafted lower than expected. This will play out in the next several years.
 

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Loved the pick of Brown in the 7th.

The question is can he make the 53? Cowboys opened the 2016 carrying 5 WRs.

Dez, Beasley, Williams and Butler are likely locks. So that leaves Switzer and Brown for the 5th spot. Switzer has the leg up if he's going to be the kick and punt returner.

Brown seems like the ideal candidate for stashing on the practice squad and then taking Butler's role in 2018.
 
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We'll see. There are plenty of interesting candidates who were drafted lower than expected. This will play out in the next several years.

Actually, this was my point all along before we got derailed (I contributed to that, of course).
In as deep a draft as this one is, it's extremely difficult to pick "the steal of the draft" (if not impossible at this juncture in time).

As I said in another thread, this draft was so deep that you may have Pro Bowlers as deep as the seventh round. In fact, if Chad Kelly gets his act straight, I think he could even beat out Paxton Lynch for the Broncos' starting quarterback spot - at least down the road.

Anyone who is "the steal of the draft" is going to have to have a better career than anyone taken lower than he.
 

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Loved the pick of Brown in the 7th.

The question is can he make the 53? Cowboys opened the 2016 carrying 5 WRs.

Dez, Beasley, Williams and Butler are likely locks. So that leaves Switzer and Brown for the 5th spot. Switzer has the leg up if he's going to be the kick and punt returner.

Brown seems like the ideal candidate for stashing on the practice squad and then taking Butler's role in 2018.
Switzer is more of a lock that Butler. Don't get it confused Brodie.
 

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Butler is making the team.
It's not up to him, it's up to the new guys. We already know what Butler is. If either Brown (Noah, Brian) or Andy Jones shows out he's gone. I don't see how you can argue that.
 
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Butler is making the team.

He's no lock at all. Switzer is a lock due to his return ability.

Butler and Brown will be battling for that 5 WR spot. Butler only signed a 1 year deal with only 300k guaranteed and his play has been iffy at best. His spot is far from locked up.
 

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So this is the time of year when people go overly ga ga over draft picks and UDFAs and have them replacing veterans on the roster.

Andy Jones. LOL.
 

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Loved the pick of Brown in the 7th.

The question is can he make the 53? Cowboys opened the 2016 carrying 5 WRs.

Dez, Beasley, Williams and Butler are likely locks. So that leaves Switzer and Brown for the 5th spot. Switzer has the leg up if he's going to be the kick and punt returner.

Brown seems like the ideal candidate for stashing on the practice squad and then taking Butler's role in 2018.

I'm curious as to why you think this highly of Brice Butler?
 

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I'm curious as to why you think this highly of Brice Butler?

I don't think that highly of him. He's a solid #4 WR. Team obviously likes him to bring him back. Decent blocker, good size, decent speed, enough athleticism that the team views him as a solid long term project.

I am just not one to assume that a 4th round WR and a 7th round WR (or Andy Jones, LOL) are definitely better and going to beat out a vet that the team clearly likes. I mean I don't think the team views Switzer, a Beasley clone, as a guy to challenge Butler. Switzer is Whitehead's replacement. While I like Brown, I am not ready to pencil him in as a replacement for Butler either. More power though if he beats him out. And LOL at Andy Jones hype. If Jones was as good as people want to think, why even bring Butler back?

I think the more appropriate question is why some have such bitterness over the guy as a 4th or 5th WR?
 
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I don't think that highly of him. He's a solid #4 WR. Team obviously likes him to bring him back. Decent blocker, good size, decent speed.

I am just not one to assume that a 4th round WR and a 7th round WR are definitely better and going to beat out a vet that the team clearly likes.

I'm not "assuming" that Brown beats him out, but Switzer is making this roster. Lucky Bonehead is history barring a serious injury.

But it sounds to me like you're "assuming" Butler is making this roster and I don't see that as a given at all.

Keep in mind that he signed a one-year deal with only $300,000 guaranteed, the Cowboys could easily cut him.

And, he signed before the team got Terrance Williams back too, that may have changed things with Butler.

I like his length and speed, but I still remember the fact that he saved his worst for last and came up smallest in the biggest game of his life. I haven't forgotten that and I doubt the team has either. Some guys are gamers and some guys aren't.

If Brown doesn't look lost, I can see him displacing Butler from the roster, if the team is forced to keep only 5 receivers. Brown for four years vs Butler for one factors into the equation too.

I think you can flip a coin right now and unless Brown looks like George Farmer, I give him a shot.
 

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I'm not "assuming" that Brown beats him out, but Switzer is making this roster. Lucky Bonehead is history barring a serious injury.

But it sounds to me like you're "assuming" Butler is making this roster and I don't see that as a given at all.

Keep in mind that he signed a one-year deal with only $300,000 guaranteed, the Cowboys could easily cut him.

And, he signed before the team got Terrance Williams back too, that may have changed things with Butler.

I like his length and speed, but I still remember the fact that he saved his worst for last and came up smallest in the biggest game of his life. I haven't forgotten that and I doubt the team has either. Some guys are gamers and some guys aren't.

If Brown doesn't look lost, I can see him displacing Butler from the roster, if the team is forced to keep only 5 receivers. Brown for four years vs Butler for one factors into the equation too.

I think you can flip a coin right now and unless Brown looks like George Farmer, I give him a shot.

And Brown will get a shot but I have doubts he's definitely going to beat out a vet the team clearly likes. I hope he does though. Because if Brown outplays Butler, it means our 4th or 5th WR is really good because Butler is a decent backup WR.
 

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And Brown will get a shot but I have doubts he's definitely going to beat out a vet the team clearly likes.

He's a 4th or 5th WR. I don't get the angst some of you have in the idea that Butler may (and I think will likely) make this team.

I think you're projecting.

I have no "angst" whether Butler stays or goes. He's hardly enough of a factor either way to cause anyone "angst".

In all honesty, I hope the team can afford to keep 6 of them this year, considering the investment. At this point, given how little they have at TE and RB, I can see them doing it.
 
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