Dallas FA signings need fixing

[Stash]

If they just miss the playoffs, I think there will be some changes. Very possibly the DC.

They go like 6-10, then maybe big changes.

Again, I think that's reasonable. But I'm not sure if this owner is willing to be quite as reasonable as either of us.

 

[Sydla]

Amen. Ole Jerry boy proved that time and time again.

Because Jerry swung for the fences.

There is this whole large void of mid level FAs that exist between pulling a Jerry and making an overpaid splash FA signing and what Stephen does in shopping at the 95% off sale.

 

[Sydla]

Their philosophy is to sign mid-level free agents after the initial over-payment stage of free agency. These signings are typically for positions where they need some depth and these signings then allow the team to go best player available in the draft.

If some of these signings are getting cut, it means they feel better about the young players coming up, which is a good thing.

No it means they signed crap players.

Holy hell at trying to state that Carroll and Moore were quality guys beat out by younger players.

 

[Sydla]

They weren't signing any big name free agents like Campbell...

They're out of that business.

The names have been said multiple times.

Spend a bit of cash on a real 1 tech. Sign Hyde and get yourself a true SS. Jefferson was another guy although did he even make it to FA?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Because Jerry swung for the fences.

There is this whole large void of mid level FAs that exist between pulling a Jerry and making an overpaid splash FA signing and what Stephen does in shopping at the 95% off sale.

But what exactly is a good middle-level signing?

Hyde was signed for 5 years and $32 mil. That's not mid-level. Dallas would have had to have paid more... I don't see them doing that. Nor were they going to bring back Church, Wilcox, Carr or Claiborne.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The names have been said multiple times.

Spend a bit of cash on a real 1 tech. Sign Hyde and get yourself a true SS. Jefferson was another guy although did he even make it to FA?

They weren't going to give Hyde 5 years and $32 mil.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The names have been said multiple times.

Spend a bit of cash on a real 1 tech. Sign Hyde and get yourself a true SS. Jefferson was another guy although did he even make it to FA?

What real 1 tech? They weren't going to resign McClain and nor should they at his price.

 

[Stash]

What real 1 tech? They weren't going to resign McClain and nor should they at his price.

McClain - 4 years - $21 million

Cedric Thornton - 4 years $17 million

Stephen Paea - 1 year $2 million

Is $21 million for McClain that far off from $19 million for the zero rate of return for Thornton and Paea?

Is $5 million to keep Claiborne better than $4 million for one game of Nolan Carroll? Or $6 million to keep Brandon Carr?

At worst, those guys are still playing for their respective teams. We got one frickin game out of Carr for a total of $4 million.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

McClain - 4 years - $21 million

Cedric Thornton - 4 years $17 million

Stephen Paea - 1 year $2 million

Is $21 million for McClain that far off from $19 million for the zero rate of return for Thornton and Paea?

Is $5 million to keep Claiborne better than $4 million for one game of Nolan Carroll? Or $6 million to keep Brandon Carr?

At worst, those guys are still playing for their respective teams. We got one frickin game out of Carr for a total of $4 million.

They weren't going to resign McClain.

Nor were they going to resign Carr nor Claiborne.

You might as well not even type their names because they weren't coming back.

 

[Stash]

They weren't going to resign McClain.

Nor were they going to resign Carr nor Claiborne.

You might as well not even type their names because they weren't coming back.

I'm not sure where you're getting these absolutes you're referring to in your statement? I'd need support for that.

And this notion of "they weren't coming back" does not in any way refute the fact that the choices were poor ones whatsoever.

This in no way makes the decisions looks better, but "absolutely" worse.

No way they were signing McClain? Who knew the system and helped you to be #1 against the run last year? But instead, they'll pay Cedric Thornton for how many starts again? Or Stephen Paea to do what exactly? That's not a defense, that's an indictment.

And further, there's "no way" Claiborne comes back at $5 million for a year, or Carr for $6 million. Guys still playing ( and playing well) on their respective teams. But it's "OK" to throw $4 million into the furnace for Nolan Carroll for one game? Again, looks worse, not better.

 

[haleyrules]

Because Jerry swung for the fences.

There is this whole large void of mid level FAs that exist between pulling a Jerry and making an overpaid splash FA signing and what Stephen does in shopping at the 95% off sale.

Jerry did it because he couldn't draft and always overestimated the talent he had and thought he was closer to a playoff run than, in fact, the club was. He was playing at being a GM without the skills to do so. Things have improved in recent years but at a very slow pace. The club needs to improve its Defensive side drafting. Maybe bring in a Defensive specialist to advise Mc Clay and associates. The club can fill a spot or two with a decent FA but the road to the SB runs through the Draft.

 

[haleyrules]

They weren't going to resign McClain.

Nor were they going to resign Carr nor Claiborne.

You might as well not even type their names because they weren't coming back.

...and they shouldn't have.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm not sure where you're getting these absolutes you're referring to in your statement? I'd need support for that.

And this notion of "they weren't coming back" does not in any way refute the fact that the choices were poor ones whatsoever.

This in no way makes the decisions looks better, but "absolutely" worse.

No way they were signing McClain? Who knew the system and helped you to be #1 against the run last year? But instead, they'll pay Cedric Thornton for how many starts again? Or Stephen Paea to do what exactly? That's not a defense, that's an indictment.

And further, there's "no way" Claiborne comes back at $5 million for a year, or Carr for $6 million. Guys still playing ( and playing well) on their respective teams. But it's "OK" to throw $4 million into the furnace for Nolan Carroll for one game? Again, looks worse, not better.

I'm not spending time looking them up but I know nuggets had been posted that they weren't interested.

Maybe you can find nuggets where they were interested in resigning those players?

They still weren't going to resign any of those players.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

...and they shouldn't have.

True.

Lewis made Carrol expendable.

 

[Ranching]

First, get Marinelli out of your process entirely. Zero input. The guy is a decent defensive line coach, nothing more. Every bit of input he's had regarding personnel has been awful. And pay the devil that you know, even I feel it's a little bit more, than the devil you don't.

Every personnel decision this team had to make this offseason, they got wrong. Every one! It's like they worked at being this poor.

I'd actually fire them all, as I truly believe that this coaching staff hurts the talent, it doesn't help it. Coaching is supposed to put the players in the best position to succeed and I feel that this staff repeatedly fails in that area.

But I don't think they'll do that. They'll likely spend another year or two making really, really, really, really, sure that these are the wrongs guys.

That's my opinion, how about yours?

You make a lot of sense, but since we won 13 games last year, those things didn't happen. Let's see how many we win this year.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

we havent signed a difference maker since Stephen took over and i dont expect that to change.

We've signed a significant number of difference makers. They just happen to be our own free agents.

Why people discount signing our own players is beyond me...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

We've signed a significant number of difference makers. They just happen to be our own free agents.

Why people discount signing our own players is beyond me...

Agreed.

Keeping that offensive line together is a major undertaking.

Look at other teams that have lost key OL due to not being able to manage the cap.

Dallas is in the position that they can franchise Lawrence in '18 and Martin in '19 if they need to.

 

[Stash]

I'm not spending time looking them up but I know nuggets had been posted that they weren't interested.

Maybe you can find nuggets where they were interested in resigning those players?

They still weren't going to resign any of those players.

I do know this. Carr and Claiborne were still talking to Dallas about returns before signing elsewhere. And both only did so after Dallas made the decision to sign Nolan Carroll. Carr then took the deal in Baltimore that Claiborne wouldn't and Claiborne obviously signed with the Jets.

Any talk of "never going to resign them" isn't accurate.

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...ue-on-Dallas-Cowboys-CB-Brandon-Carr-51457443

The Ravens paid him going rate where the Cowboys wanted cheaper. And they got nothing.

 

[Stash]

You make a lot of sense, but since we won 13 games last year, those things didn't happen. Let's see how many we win this year.

Thanks.

I'm good with that. Nothing I could do or say would change that anyway.

I just hope, like Mike, that if they don't win enough, people can admit when they're wrong and make the necessary changes.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I do know this. Carr and Claiborne were still talking to Dallas about returns before signing elsewhere. And both only did so after Dallas made the decision to sign Nolan Carroll. Carr then took the deal in Baltimore that Claiborne wouldn't and Claiborne obviously signed with the Jets.

Any talk of "never going to resign them" isn't accurate.

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...ue-on-Dallas-Cowboys-CB-Brandon-Carr-51457443

The Ravens paid him going rate where the Cowboys wanted cheaper. And they got nothing.

They talking to Dallas and Dallas actually wanting them back... two separate things.

And certainly Claiborne's deal wasn't huge... They could have resigned him... But didn't. Why not?

They didn't want him.