Anthony Brown was as bad as his chip tattoo

[WillieBeamen]

We had a game just like last night against the Broncos, and that was with Zeke. Nothing has shown me Zeke is the difference maker.

And I have already mentioned it, go back to the 2009 and 2010 seasons for the Jets. The biggest reason they had success those years was Revis' level of play.

And MVP awards are pointless anyways and often go to flashy highlight reels.

This is nonsense. We can do this “go back” game all day.

“Go back” and look at our last dynasty. Our best player was a RB and we were 0-2 without him to start one season.

 

[mattjames2010]

This is nonsense. We can do this “go back” game all day.

“Go back” and look at our last dynasty. Our best player was a RB and we were 0-2 without him to start one season.

The "dynasty" had one of the best o-lines in NFL history and was one of the most well-rounded teams in history as well.

Smith was a great player and a very important piece on that offense. But Zeke is no Smith.

And this awesome, super duper, MVP that will make Dak go from a scrub to the next Tom Brady averaged under 1 yard a carry against the Broncos when we got blown out.

...so, he was already part of a blowout. So again, pretending it was some sure thing if we had Zeke that we'd have destroyed the teams we played or even been competitive you don't know.

 

[KingintheNorth]

He was never any good. You just overrated him.

Exactly.

He was getting away with mass amounts of PI last year and the Ref's either got complaints or saw it in evaluations. He's starting to get called now, so he is backing way off and WRs are eating him alive.

Decent 4th or 5th CB guy, not a starter.

 

[WillieBeamen]

The "dynasty" had one of the best o-lines in NFL history and was one of the most well-rounded teams in history as well.

Smith was a great player and a very important piece on that offense. But Zeke is no Smith.

And this awesome, super duper, MVP that will make Dak go from a scrub to the next Tom Brady averaged under 1 yard a carry against the Broncos when we got blown out.

...so, he was already part of a blowout. So again, pretending it was some sure thing if we had Zeke that we'd have destroyed the teams we played or even been competitive you don't know.

The bronco game, was.one.game


You think Ramsey wouldve made much difference that day on defense? Even Sean Lee looked like a scrub that game.

Bottom line, Zeke makes this QB look/play much better. Good QB play is what wins you games in this league. That right there is more impactful than what any cornerback can give you. But im sure Ramsey would look “great” with Jeff Heath and Byron Jones playing behind him

 

[mattjames2010]

The bronco game, was.one.game


You think Ramsey wouldve made much difference that day on defense? Even Sean Lee looked like a scrub that game.

Bottom line, Zeke makes this QB look/play much better. Good QB play is what wins you games in this league. That right there is more impactful than what any cornerback can give you. But im sure Ramsey would look “great” with Jeff Heath and Byron Jones playing behind him

Again, you have no idea what you're on about. Stop trying to argue....

Do you understand what it does for a defense to have one side of a field locked down on defense? This means you can put extra men to other parts of the field without the worry the guy on an island will screw up...

And who gives a crap that it was "one game" - you are attempting to state Zeke being in would have been some automatic to have made every freakin' player on our offense better, when I can point to you a game where we went up against a solid defense and that simply was not the case.

And Ramsey has Church behind him in Jacksonville....

And one last time, "Zeke makes QB look better"

AGAINST THE BRONCOS

Prescott - 30/50, 238 yards, 4.8 average, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 68.6 rating

There is nothing automatic about Zeke here. Morris had nearly 100 yards on the ground yesterday and averaged 5.4 yards a carry and Dak still looked like ****.

 

[BobSacamano]

Brown is a man cover corner. Not a zone guy.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Brown is a man cover corner. Not a zone guy.

Bob?

 

[WillieBeamen]

Again, you have no idea what you're on about. Stop trying to argue....

Do you understand what it does for a defense to have one side of a field locked down on defense? This means you can put extra men to other parts of the field without the worry the guy on an island will screw up...

And who gives a crap that it was "one game" - you are attempting to state Zeke being in would have been some automatic to have made every freakin' player on our offense better, when I can point to you a game where we went up against a solid defense and that simply was not the case.

And Ramsey has Church behind him in Jacksonville....

And one last time, "Zeke makes QB look better"

AGAINST THE BRONCOS

Prescott - 30/50, 238 yards, 4.8 average, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 68.6 rating

There is nothing automatic about Zeke here. Morris had nearly 100 yards on the ground yesterday and averaged 5.4 yards a carry and Dak still looked like ****.

This will be my last post to you. You obvious understand football on a rudimentary level.

Let me put it to you like this. Read it slow this time. Over and over if you have to.

Zeke makes Dak look better. We have more evidence of this being true than vice versa. If you paid attention (you havent), you would know that opposing teams DC number one game plan is to shutdown Zeke. This opens up things in the passing game. I shouldnt have to explain this further.

But let me point out how dumb your argument sounds. Patrick Peterson is one of the best CBs in this league. He is the third highest paid at his position. His defense is ranked 25th. His team is 4-6. Their offense is ranked 26th in the league. Last year when David Johnson was healthy, they were ranked 6th. Defense was 14th last year.

Stop Posting

 

[mattjames2010]

This will be my last post to you. You obvious understand football on a rudimentary level.

Let me put it to you like this. Read it slow this time. Over and over if you have to.

Zeke makes Dak look better. We have more evidence of this being true than vice versa. If you paid attention (you havent), you would know that opposing teams DC number one game plan is to shutdown Zeke. This opens up things in the passing game. I shouldnt have to explain this further.

But let me point out how dumb your argument sounds. Patrick Peterson is one of the best CBs in this league. He is the third highest paid at his position. His defense is ranked 25th. His team is 4-6. Their offense is ranked 26th in the league. Last year when David Johnson was healthy, they were ranked 6th. Defense was 14th last year.

Stop Posting

"Zeke makes Dak look better"

Yet, I just pointed to you this is not the case when we go up against a solid defense....

I also pointed out, yesterday, we had an RB that put up good numbers that resembled Zekes, and Dak did not look better....

Patrick Peterson is having a down year

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/patrick-peterson/6157

He is ranked #36 in the league with a grade of 79.7

How about we look at the Saints? The problem with their team has been the defense side of the ball the past few years, they get a shutdown corner? How are they looking this season?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/marshon-lattimore/11766

Best corner in the league, ranked #1, 93.1

That....really didn't work out for ya, now did it? LOL

 

[BobSacamano]

Bob?

The very same.

 

[birdwells1]

He was never any good. You just overrated him.

JJ overrated him, as soon as a player shows some promise the front office pencil them in as the answer.

 

[bsbellomy]

JJ overrated him, as soon as a player shows some promise the front office pencil them in as the answer.

Yeah that was the OP response as well. But if I recall correctly most in here were touting him pretty hard over the summer.

 

[ondaedg]

Yeah that was the OP response as well. But if I recall correctly most in here were touting him pretty hard over the summer.

Dallas fans get excited when a defensive player doesn't implode so he becomes "solid". Add in the fact that he's a rookie and he's bound to "only get better" and you have a Cowboys fan recipe for overrating any young player that gets playing time.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Saying he was supposed to be one of building blocks is overrating him.

Considering they took CB's on day 2, I don't think he is veiwed as a long term starter.

Long term he is probably our 3rd or 4th CB, which is a good place for him. He is a good player, but probably not a 100% snap guy

 

[RomoFor6]

In what way is he "transcendent"? Show me an ability he has that hasn't been shown by any other RB? He's not a completely well-rounded QB, he's a good WR, but he's not a GREAT one. David Johnson at least is well-rounded. Same as Bell. Zeke is more of a pure runner who can take a screen to the house.

And with Zeke, we got blown out by the Broncos. So saying "we had a chance" when we already had this outcome with him is not a very strong argument.

As for "other RBs like him in the past 5 years"

McCoy, Bell, David Johnson, DEMARCO MURRAY....

We had, just a few years ago, an RB that rushed for 1,800 yards behind the same O-Line Zeke was behind last year. The year before that? Darren "inactive" McFadden found a way to get 1,000 yards...

Now, point to me what is unique about Zeke....

Firstly, he's not a QB. He is ELITE in all three areas, rushing, pass protection and receiving. No other back going back 5-10 years is as well rounded as him in those areas. You think if Zeke was force fed the ball in the passing game he wouldn't put up similar receiving numbers to Bell and Johnson? Lol. He has shown elite ability as a receiver when given the chance. Just because the coaching staff haven't taken advantage of his receiving skills out of the backfield, doesn't mean he can't be a 75 catch receiver. Runs great routes and has soft hands.

Lol bringing up McFadden. The line can make an average back look like an good one. But it takes a TRANSCENDNENT player with elite skills to make a run at 2,000 as a ROOKIE.

A 225 LB workhorse back who can easily take on 30-35 carries a game and actually gets better as the game goes on? A dynamic runner with a combination of strength, speed, balance and body control that he can translate into power or finesse. Name a runner who can turn the corner for 6 with his speed whilst also trucking the hardest hitters in the league? YOU CANT.

Now you're trying to tell me with a straight face he compares to McCoy? LOL. Can't pass protect and a below average receiver. Zeke better than him in all areas. Murray? One elite year. Johnson and Bell? Already touched on those.

PUT SOME RESPECT ON HIS NAME

 

[mattjames2010]

Firstly, he's not a QB. He is ELITE in all three areas, rushing, pass protection and receiving. No other back going back 5-10 years is as well rounded as him in those areas. You think if Zeke was force fed the ball in the passing game he wouldn't put up similar receiving numbers to Bell and Johnson? Lol. He has shown elite ability as a receiver when given the chance. Just because the coaching staff haven't taken advantage of his receiving skills out of the backfield, doesn't mean he can't be a 75 catch receiver. Runs great routes and has soft hands.

Lol bringing up McFadden. The line can make an average back look like an good one. But it takes a TRANSCENDNENT player with elite skills to make a run at 2,000 as a ROOKIE.

A 225 LB workhorse back who can easily take on 30-35 carries a game and actually gets better as the game goes on? A dynamic runner with a combination of strength, speed, balance and body control that he can translate into power or finesse. Name a runner who can turn the corner for 6 with his speed whilst also trucking the hardest hitters in the league? YOU CANT.

Now you're trying to tell me with a straight face he compares to McCoy? LOL. Can't pass protect and a below average receiver. Zeke better than him in all areas. Murray? One elite year. Johnson and Bell? Already touched on those.

PUT SOME RESPECT ON HIS NAME

So Murray was one as well since he rushed for 1,800 yards? Zeke has shown the ability he can do well on screens. Show me where Zeke can line up in the slot or on the outside and catch balls like Johnson does.

And stop the nonsense, until Zeke proves he can be a major receiving threat outside of screens, he simply cannot be compared to Bell and Johnson. I think Zeke is a better pure runner than Johnson and right there with Bell.

These players are on McCoy's level, they are not a Smith, Sanders, Peterson, Payton, etc. Again, stop overrating.

 

[RomoFor6]

So Murray was one as well since he rushed for 1,800 yards? Zeke has shown the ability he can do well on screens. Show me where Zeke can line up in the slot or on the outside and catch balls like Johnson does.

And stop the nonsense, until Zeke proves he can be a major receiving threat outside of screens, he simply cannot be compared to Bell and Johnson. I think Zeke is a better pure runner than Johnson and right there with Bell.

These players are on McCoy's level, they are not a Smith, Sanders, Peterson, Payton, etc. Again, stop overrating.

Murray did it for one year.... if he sustained that for a career, then yeah, he would be. Zeke did it in his first year in the league....

Did you even watch him in college? He had similar receiving numbers to Bell in college. Do you think Bell just magically developed receiving talent? No, the coaches scheme and develop him plays in the passing game. Just cause numb nut Garrett and Linnehan don't, doesn't mean he can't. Urban Meyer said while Zeke was in college he would be their number one receiver if he wanted to play receiver...

Again, comparisons to McCoy are disrespectful he can only run well... nothing else. Also, do you realize you are comparing a second year player to three of the best running backs in the NFL? What does that tell you?
When Zeke calls it quits he will be right up there with Payton, Sanders and Peterson as the GOATs.

Like I said, find me a player who can consistently turn the corner for long gains and 70 yard TD runs while also running over the hardest hitters in the league. Because that player is transcendent and I have seen Zeke do both.

 

[mattjames2010]

Murray did it for one year.... if he sustained that for a career, then yeah, he would be. Zeke did it in his first year in the league....

Did you even watch him in college? He had similar receiving numbers to Bell in college. Do you think Bell just magically developed receiving talent? No, the coaches scheme and develop him plays in the passing game. Just cause numb nut Garrett and Linnehan don't, doesn't mean he can't. Urban Meyer said while Zeke was in college he would be their number one receiver if he wanted to play receiver...

Again, comparisons to McCoy are disrespectful he can only run well... nothing else. Also, do you realize you are comparing a second year player to three of the best running backs in the NFL? What does that tell you?
When Zeke calls it quits he will be right up there with Payton, Sanders and Peterson as the GOATs.

Like I said, find me a player who can consistently turn the corner for long gains and 70 yard TD runs while also running over the hardest hitters in the league. Because that player is transcendent and I have seen Zeke do both.

Murray's issues were injuries, not abilities. He's had 3 1,000 yard seasons. Was on pace to have big seasons, but cut short due to injuries. But either way, Zeke has had one year of big play, yet you have crowned him. LOL

I don't care about his college tape, college is not the NFL. Moving on.

McCoy was one of the better RBs, and still really is, in the NFL. It is not "disrespectful" - what are you even on about? He, like Zeke, led the league in rushing one season, had a season of 17 rushing TDs, had a season with 70 receptions....

If anything, it's disrespectful to compare Zeke to McCoy who has been playing at a high level longer.

And Zeke hasn't "run over" any best defender for a 70 yard TD - what are you even on about?

My goodness, people are terrible with debating on this forum.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Absolutely. He is already a top 10 cb and he is on the field unlike Zeke. Elliott is a great player no doubt but it's much tougher to find a player like Ramsey.

Amazing . So you’d take Deion over Emmitt

 

[stilltheguru88]

Oh now y’all are arguing with the weird David Johnson lover lol. Zeke is a different breed than Johnson. They aren’t built the same. Zeke is built for war. Johnson isn’t about THAT life